Saturday, April 13, 2013

"I take thee............to the cleaners"

I have predicted for years that church tax exemption will be taken away some time in my life time...........with THIS NEWS, isn't the church the next place they'll hit?    What if a church won't marry a gay couple?  You can count on trouble.   Remember when churches helped the needy so much?  They still do, to a point, but the economy's affecting them, too, believe me.  Again;  it's "go to the government."  Is this planned?

What do you think?

Z

53 comments:

JonBerg said...

I wish every Liberal could find out how lovely it is to have a Queer Scout Master!!!! NUFF SAID!!!

Ed Bonderenka said...

The tax exemption was intended as a part of freedom of religion.
If a church could be taxed, it could have special taxes applied with the intention of closing it.

sue hanes said...

Z - With the way times are changing - you are right to think that church tax exemptions are the next to go. It's all about the direction our country is taking.
Whether it is right or wrong is an individual opinion. The gay community is growing and there is bound to be a change in matters of tax exemption.

conservativesonfire said...

The goal is for only one religion and that religion iis the State or the Collective. Yes, the tax exemptions of churches is a likely target of the left.

Ducky's here said...
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Right Truth said...

Anything is possible with this administration. The damage will be hard to undo if we ever get rid of them. Hillary plans to move into the White House after Obama. Oh joy.

Debbie
Right Truth
http://www.righttruth.typepad.com

Thersites said...

The Gay Jizya must be paid...

Thersites said...

...after all, revenues for their "fertility" treatments and sex-designation surgeries will most certainly be expensive. :)

FrogBurger said...

There's an organization here in LA that feeds the homeless and it was created by a church but you can't mention it too much b/c I've heard it ticks some people off. It's pretty sick.

Law and Order Teacher said...

Z,
This is further proof that we won't necessarily see massive changes but a slow erosion of our rights. The P.R. campaign underway by the progressives is paralleled by the first progressive era in the early 20th which culminated with prohibition.

I only hope that the same overreach again infects these zealots. I don't think they can help themselves.

Z said...

Ed, I think there was a point to churches doing so much for others that not taxing freed them up to do just that..help.

Sue...so you'd be for taxing churches (the next step to their closing down since the economy's thrashing tithing) to accomodate gay marriages within their walls?
Do you really think so many gays can't find a church that WILL marry them without forcing it on those who follow God's word?


FB...would you privately email what organization you're talking about? merci!


Z said...

Sorry, Ducky, I have never called your Catholic pedophiles anything close to what you called Warren...you're deleted.

Constitutional Insurgent said...

I don't mind church's retaining their tax exempt status, as long as they do not act as political lobbying outlets.

Churches currently are not required to marry any couple they do not wish to, and I don't see any mechanism for that changing.....though the issue is just another argument for the State divorcing itself from religious marriage.

Impertinent said...

@Z:

"many gays can't find a church that WILL marry."

I'm sure the muslims will welcome them with open arms....( The AK47 kind of arms ).

beamish said...

This is one of those slippery slopes that America fell off in the 1930s, when Catholics (and to a lesser degree Protestants) began lobbying the government to usurp their charity / social welfare functions.

Church involvement in government GOT US HERE.

Z said...

Const. Insurg..there have been several attempts at forcing churches to marry gays. It's only a matter of time they demand it "or else".

Beamish, churches lobbied? Or handed over by not fulfilling their previous deeds for the needy?

beamish said...

Oh, it was lobbying. FDR's "New Deal" programs have their ideological roots in misguided (but perhaps well-intentioned) Catholic social ministries.

beamish said...

See, we can show we care by creating longer lines at the food pantry...

Z said...

"longer lines at the food pantry".

Well, they were lines at the churches; and they should have stayed there.
if tax exemption goes, it's exactly what the gov't wants.

Did you know they're advertising US Food Stamps in Mexico, Beamish?
Sure! "Come to AMerica, they'll take care of yoU!"

beamish said...

...with more people that can't afford food.

beamish said...

Did you know they're advertising US Food Stamps in Mexico, Beamish?

It's misdirection to keep the retarded obsession with populism going. My proof?

Conservatives USED to want to END the welfare state. Now they want it to be "members only."

beamish said...

As always... there would be no abuse of the welfare state, if there were no welfare state.

beamish said...

Instead, we're headed for "we wouldn't have all these expensive social welfare and retirement programs if we executed the people that need them."

beamish said...

it's YOUR money!

Sam Huntington said...

If Maryland can impose a rain tax, then government can get away with anything.

Z said...

WHAT is a RAIN TAX, SAM???

Constitutional Insurgent said...

Maryland's 'Rain Tax'.

http://news.yahoo.com/included-maryland-controversial-rain-tax-exactly-sounds-031617277--finance.html

Z said...

Const. Insurg...thanks. I think.
ARE WE NUTS??

They're measuring our land now and taxing due to their findings?

we are such toast.

Constitutional Insurgent said...

Why not? Virginia taxes what you overpaid on the previous years taxes..as income. Any avenue for government to fleece funds will not be overlooked.

Ducky's here said...

Oh, did I say something bad about Rick Warren?

Z can't handle the truth once again.

Z said...

Ducky, I do not like Rick Warren. I admire some things he's done, I am not a fan and, the odd thing is that you know that because I mentioned it a few times.

I think calling someone "human waste" is a little beyond "something bad". And I didn't read past that.

By the way, let's hear your 'truth' about Rick Warren. What is it you don't like...too Protestant? Too philanthropic? Too open with his faith?

Eager to hear that.


Cons. Insurg...they TAX on overpayments? Is this a joke?

By the way, my accountant electronically turned in my taxes, fed and state, and my bank electronically got the fed and state funds within about four days. I was pretty surprised about that.

Constitutional Insurgent said...

Nope....no joke. I got a postcard in January specifying how much I had to add to my taxable income for this years return.

The joys of living in a "commonwealth" I suppose.....

Ed Bonderenka said...

In Canada already, preachers are being prosecuted for preaching against homosexuality.
But they don't have a Bill of Rights.

Jack Whyte said...

@ Ed

Neither do we.

Elmers Brother said...

I think the Church has been corrupted by tax exempt status. It would benefit our culture if our clergy could actually speak the Truth.

Elmers Brother said...

Australia and other countries have "villification" laws

http://www.chick.com/bc/2005/vilify.asp

Elmers Brother said...

California and Pennsylvania have similar vilification laws

Sam Huntington said...

I suppose my question is that with all the vilification laws, how are Wahhabi mosques here in the USA allowed to get away with telling Moslems to hate anyone who isn't a Moslem?

Just wondering ... could this be yet another double standard foisted upon the American people?

Impertinent said...

@Sam:

"could this be yet another double standard foisted upon the American people?"


Of course it is...no one has the bialis to call the "religion of peace" exactly what a garbage can cult it is...There I said it.

They know the idiots will issue death warrants...and never get prosecuted.

And there's one little group they revile and hate too....gays. Let's see if the gays protest against the mudlims.

Z said...

Elbro, any pastor can preach the true gospel if he knows it and understands it and believes it.
I doubt that tax exemption would interfere there.
What are you thinking that would be prohibited?

Obviously, the gay church marriage will rear its head, though I strongly believe that most gays who go to church are IN churches who'll marry them, anyway. This is about agenda, not anything else.

Z said...

http://news.yahoo.com/anti-thatcher-party-londons-trafalgar-square-195601564.html

Have you ever seen conservatives party over a dead liberal? This is amazing but not shocking.

They're celebrating because she wasn't for the working man.
I guess they don't know how unemployment went down under her, significantly.

Most of these people were children when she was alive, but that liberal indoctrination carries on... I guess Maggie believed more in helping those who wanted to help themselves;
bummer for a liberal.

Sam Huntington said...

Z ... that picture tells us the whole story, doesn't it? What a bunch of freaks. Ducky would feel right at home, I'm sure.

Divine Theatre said...

There will be nothing left of our country by the time my daughter is old enough to vote.

Andie

Z said...

Sam, it's just a FACT that the left is meaner than the right. Then they blame the right for hating the needy, hating the poor, etc..as IF.

But, their way is the easy way; who wants to be told "Work for your money" when you can have government say "Here's your money" They know that, that's Obama's ticket to popularity. I'm afraid it'll continue. It's funny, because I'm at a high school every day and I speak a little to the kids and these things sometimes come up and the little dopes who think they're libs agree with everything I say when I tell them facts and background.


Andie, I worry so much for our children.

Ed Bonderenka said...

Z: Along those lines, I was on Bennett with the same point about Ben Carson being hectored out of speaking:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/41339180/About%20Ben%20Carson%20Commencement.mp3

Constitutional Insurgent said...

Ed - I lost respect for Carson when he apologized [more than once] for speaking his mind.

Ed Bonderenka said...

CI: Yep. Not the one we were waiting for. Not sure if you listened, but that's part of what I said on the radio.

Elmers Brother said...

Well they can't speak out politically or they'll lose the exemption

Ed Bonderenka said...

elbro: Never hurt the black churches...

Elmers Brother said...

And in return as Beamish has explained the Church gave up much of what it used to do and let the gubmint take over

Elmers Brother said...

Well Ed they're already a protected class

beamish said...

Never hurt the black churches...

What government welfare programs and wealth redistribution policies are black churches campaigning against?

Z said...

Amen, brothers.