This isn't really much about faith but it's been on my mind and I thought I'd discuss it here today.
I think the Interfaith service commemorating the Boston tragedy was held too early.
I hear the media talking about "starting the healing process now" and I think that's a mile too early.
I think Americans are afraid to grieve and I think that's very, very unhealthy. I think it's like putting a lid on a boiling pot and being surprised when it finally overflows. Let the water boil, let the tears come, don't be afraid of feeling bad; feeling bad is normal. It's almost as if we've been led to believe normal isn't good if it hurts. The dead deserve our grief. The maimed deserve our sadness for them.
There will be a time in the near future for all to join in a service in Boston where people can remember and memorialize, once the dust has settled and the private grieving is settling in.
Meanwhile, pray for Sean Collier's family, the 26 year old cop who was murdered. Pray for Donohue, the cop who's trying to recover and for his family. Pray for the Chinese family who lost their precious daughter. Pray for the dad who brought his family to cheer him on and lost his 8 year old beloved son. Pray for the young man with legs now missing beneath his knees and so many others who died or were maimed for life.
And pray for yourself. This hit not only those mentioned above and not only the city of Boston, but it hit all Americans who love this country and those of us old enough to remember when it didn't occur to us to think such terrible things could happen to innocent people on a beautiful day watching a Marathon.
Be good to yourself....get your mind on happy, beautiful things.
".........he maketh me to lie down in green pastures, he restoreth my soul." 23rd Psalm
Find your metaphorical pasture.......Amen.
z
70 comments:
Lets talk of Christ Poverty, Victimology and Terrorism.
When we talk about Christ he came to a modest family, in an occupied country and advocated peace. He did
not cry out for vengeance and opened his doors to all.
The terrorists were not poor. They suffered no real persecution in the USA. They smoked pot and were suburbanites. Their faith and political types turned privileged
into criminals.
No one is more noble of heart and spirit as a "true" Christian. True
Christians are bedrocks of their community ho help the needy because
it is the calling of Christ.
Just something to ponder.
Can we now stop with the poverty causes terrorism bit.
I think the Interfaith service commemorating the Boston tragedy was held too early.
I hear the media talking about "starting the healing process now" and I think that's a mile too early.
I absolutely agree, Z!
Hold funerals, sure. But wait until some of the worst grieving has been worked through before even trying putting what happened behind you.
I know a lot about grief: the loss of my parents and the loss of my beloved cousin like a brother to me. Two of the deaths were sudden -- totally unexpected.
I lost another beloved cousin to murder back when I was in high school.
The grieving process cannot be forced into a time line OR into a particular method.
Right now, I'm reading a wonderful book, a memoir by Becky Aikman: Saturday Night Widows. Right now, I'm reading a library copy, but the book is so good that I'm going to buy my own hard copy. The book is peppered with humor, but it also contains much wisdom.
Well, those two comments leave not much else to say.
I am, no I guess I'm not, surprised that a liberal on FB I went to high school with, challenged my asserttion that they were radical muslims and that this was an "outreach" of their faith. How could I know that their religion informed them to do this?
Well, it just now occurs to me that Christians reach out to the world with food banks and "bowery" missions.
Muslims reach out with terrorism.
In general.
I find the idea that I need to grieve alongside people who were not even a week ago blaming people of my political stripe and religious beliefs for the bombings utterly repulsive.
Yes, it is horrible that innocent people were killed and maimed, but serious efforts were made to have people direct their anger and outrage at people who had absolutely not a goddamned thing to do with the bombings - right-wing evangelical Christians.
Do you really want to mourn with people who are pissed off that they can't smear you personally as a killer?
I don't. And won't. Leave that bullshit for the pansy ass leftists like Mitt Romney.
As I recently said at another blog and indicative of my contention that there is no way for a lot of people to put what happened behind them...
My heart goes out to those so terrible injured at the Boston Marathon.
The very thought of double amputees! Their suffering and the care they will need in the long term.
As I already mentioned, I have great concern and empathy for the grievously injured and their caregivers, particularly the caregivers who are family members. Who is helping them? Who will help them as the years grind on?
It really does gall me that Tsarnaev's needs (medical care, help with activities of daily living, etc.) will be met indefinitely if he should be permanently disabled. Permanent disability is a real possibility if what I read this morning is true: leg and neck wounds. The maimed at the bomb sites will likely get less attention and, more importantly, less help.
Beamish,
serious efforts were made to have people direct their anger and outrage at people who had absolutely not a goddamned thing to do with the bombings - right-wing evangelical Christians.
And we who might be termed as part of that group of Christians should never forget that!
Have those who were trying to cast blame in that direction asked us for forgiveness? I haven't heard any such apology.
I think the Interfaith service commemorating the Boston tragedy was held too early. I hear the media talking about "starting the healing process now" and I think that's a mile too early.
I completely agree with you.
Interfaith gatherings are a waste of time.
Beautiful post, Z.
It really does gall me that Tsarnaev's needs (medical care, help with activities of daily living, etc.) will be met indefinitely if he should be permanently disabled.
I hope they care about his security enough to do that off American soil.
Have those who were trying to cast blame in that direction [right-wing evangelical Christians] asked us for forgiveness? I haven't heard any such apology.
It won't happen. Shame too, because I could never run out of spit for that face.
Not to appear sanctimonious...
Then don't.
Of course, mustang and z experienced the tears that were shed at the service. I assume the tears had nothing to do with grieving.
Beak, if you weren't at the service then maybe you should zip it for just a bit.
Or maybe it's best we all grieve alone since it's obvious that even grieving together will bring out the detractors.
Or maybe we do have to spend time alone with it before its ready to merge in the collective memory.
Here's something for your "collective memory," Ducky:
When the Boston Marathon bombings first occured, YOU were on in front blaming mythological "right-wing radicals" for it.
Now, stand still so I can spit on you.
It really does gall me that Tsarnaev's needs (medical care, help with activities of daily living, etc.) will be met indefinitely if he should be permanently disabled.
It galls ME that the bill won't go straight to Cheney since Tsarnaev is a victim of his New America PAC's false flag operation. A transparent attempt for his CIA faction to seize power by martial law.
LOL Libermann!
Whenever I get too paranoid about the left's push for a police state, it's folks like you that remind me the average IQ of a cop in America has been affirmative actioned down to near-retarded.
Z - All of those you mentioned - and more - deserve our prayers.
You too - have a beautiful Sunday.
No Beamish, I was skeptical but did not discount the possibility.
Go ahead and spit.
Well, facing the wrath of Beamish: FT is right.
The fundamental core of Christianity is that Jesus died for all men.
If we expect to be forgiven, we must be ready to forgive.
We are all mere mortals, and while we mourn for those Americans who died or are maimed for life, many of us are angry and not forgiving of those brothers who killed for the sake of killing!
God knows we're not perfect, and as hard as we try to be righteous, there are times we cannot reach that place.
This is one of those times IMO.
I think those in Boston who are celebrating the first responders, and the diligence of the police and those who discovered the culprits, are really displaying their relief that they are not still potential victims of these two young men. Who can blame them? Not me!
The radical Islamists are still at war with we so called infidels, and they will be for a long time.
Duncy the Great Gasmaked Patriot pointed out you were blaming right
wing types. I pointed out the laws of probability state unless the explosion is at an abortion clinic it is either a lefty or a Muslim.
Just another example of the numerous times you are wrong and ignorant.
The bombing had nothing to do with
patriot day or Oklahoma City. It was just a bunch of stoners who were radicalized at local mosques and by local lefties who turned them into victims.
Didn't the left promise us if we elected the messiah that these things wouldn't happen. It happened in the heart of liberal America not a redneck enclave.
How many other acts of terror did we dodge in the age of Obama. Did the Cairo apology and endless trying to avoid offending Muslims work.
Well, facing the wrath of Beamish: FT is right.
Perhaps. But "Christian" sanctimony is probably better coming from you than someone who vehemently hates Jews so much that he regularly mocks the Old Testament.
No Beamish, I was skeptical but did not discount the possibility.
You certainly didn't discount the possibility that right-wing Christians bombed the Boston Marathon. At least not long enough to prevent you from widely claiming such.
You're a putz and a hack, Ducky. Try using your head for more than a hat rack next time your jihadist "friends" blow Americans up.
Z. I, also, think the weeping and rending of garments stuff was premature. Most of all, it was a photo-op for Barack Obama.
The side show with the ricin letters was interesting. When I heard that a US Senator from Mississippi was the target, I knew it had to be someone from Mississippi. You see, towns in Mississippi are generally small, and letters can probably be traced quickly. The biggest city available for posting a letter is Memphis, Tennessee.
Sure enough, the sender was an Elvis impersonator who lived in Corinth, Mississippi, about a two hour drive from Memphis. In retrospect I am surprised that this genius did not post the letter from Elvis' birth town, Tupelo, along with his Elvis promotional photo.
You gotta find some humor in the events of last week.
Jews ... Old Testament ... Wait a minute the Old Testament being part of the bible is the base of Christianity. Jesus Christ became a Jewish heretic by advocating for Christianity
Are there no hate filled pronouncements buried deep in the bowels of the religious documents of Judaism denouncing not only Jesus Christ as a false Messiah and the goyim beings on a lower level than swine?
Z,
I agree that we need to take some time and keep our perspective. The week has been filled with so much that it takes time to figure it all out. Chechyns? Really? Who saw that one coming? Homegrown terrorists? This is a real problem that will be more prevalent in the days, months, and years to come.
It will require that police agencies, at all levels, share intelligence to combat this latest trend in terrorism. I think the police agencies did a great job in this incident of sharing and working together to overcome interagency rivalry.
They certainly did a great job for a group of nearly retarded people.
When we talk about Christ he came to a modest family, in an occupied country and advocated peace.
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Occupied country? Which country would that be? In the time of Jesus Christ it was the time of the Roman Empire in which Christians were persecuted, we know that. Let's not forget hose assisting the Romans in this were the Jews. Recall that Saul of Tarsus was doing just that while on the road to Damascus. The trip on which he had a great awakening and recognizing the error of his ways and becoming a Christian.
They certainly did a great job for a group of nearly retarded people.
Really? Seems to me none of the bombs killed or injured them or their bomb-detecting dogs.
Frankly, I'm surprised that so many agreed with me; I expected to get "Why? What's wrong with corporate grief?"
I really feel strongly about it and feel good about the affirmation.
Ducky...I'm so sorry; what's that about grief and tears? First, I didn't watch the services because I work (and a hundred other reasons), and secondly, of course we cry. Please read the posts before commenting. Thanks.
My goodness, something in my suggestion sure set you off :-)
GO AHEAD, GRIEVE IN THE STREET, what do I care, Ducky? Go....corporate is good...populism, socialism...go grieve together..feel the love..group hug! GO FOR IT.
Bob, I laughed out loud when the Mississippi senator (Wickert or something?) was the first to receive the questionable mail and when Obama did, Jay Carney did a presser and only said "a senator also received a letter.." What, he didn't know his NAME? Or doesn't he like giving someone billing over his messiah, particularly a Republican!? As if he didn't know; and as if it wasn't important who the other recipient was? :-)
Beak, as a Jew, you speak better for Christ than a lot of Christians I know. God bless you for that. (not that I tell HIM what to do :-)!!!!!!!!!!!
Beamish...you can't make this stuff up.
As for paying for the injuries to this jerk who killed and maimed?
Always On Watch's husband won't get as much monetary help for his stroke as this guy will for his injuries. Count on it.
IS THAT FAIR?
FT and Silverfiddle..thanks very, very much.
It's very heart felt, that's for sure.
I have never said we should not do some memorial, by the way...as much fun as the left has of mischaracterizing much of what we bloggers write, that's just a lie.
I said it's too early..........not healthy.
And yes, Beak.."interfaith" crap. Why not call it a MEMORIAL SERVICE like we used to?? Now we have to ASSURE Muslims they're in there too...you can COUNT ON what being the reasoning for INTERFAITH.
Waylon
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If you believe in Christ it is your chance to be grafted onto the Judaic prophecies. Your attempt to distance the prophet from his people out of theological bigotry makes a mockery of the faith.
Early Christians prayed in the same
houses of worship.
I would add those that stress your
type of verbiage tend to be the social justice crew. Sorry, but I
don't waste my time on those who add Marx to the cannon.
Christians have been serving the poor and needy centuries before the
imbecile Marx put his ideas onto paper.
You shall know them by their deeds.
Mountains of dead do not lie.
Beak, thanks. I really had to read Waylon's comment a couple of times and still wasn't sure what he was saying, but I see it now.
Waylon...what brought on your remarks??
Law and Order...I heard a conversation in which law enforcement folks (I think Mark Fuhrman was one of them?) were saying that the Feds don't share much information with local law enforcement and how silly and unproductive that is because they know the area, the streets, the people...I think that's important...glad to see you do, too.
is it EGO that keeps them from sharing, or is it Busy-ness?
Z,
Why not call it a MEMORIAL SERVICE like we used to?? Now we have to ASSURE Muslims they're in there too...you can COUNT ON what being the reasoning for INTERFAITH.
Hear, hear!
To my knowledge, this use of the word interfaith started right after 9/11. Does anyone know if the word was used earlier? I don't recall hearing it before 9/11.
Frankly, I will not bow my head when a Muslim prays to Allah. I think of Daniel in the Old Testament every time an imam appears at an interfaith service like the ones held here on 9/11 every year since 2001. What did Daniel do?
If you believe in Christ it is your chance to be grafted onto the Judaic prophecies. Your attempt to distance the prophet from his people out of theological bigotry makes a mockery of the faith.
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Why would I want to be "grafted" onto Judaic prophecies, Beakerkin?
It's not my attempt to distance the prophet (if you are talking about Jesus Christ) from his people, it's simple reality. You deny that Jesus Christ is considered a Jewish heretic, an outcast from the religion? Why would Christians be persecuted in the ancient Roman Empire and why would Jews have aided in that? You can't deny that Saul of Tarsus was on a mission to persecute Christians in Damascus when he had great awakening, can you? He later became known as the Apostle Paul in the Christian religion.
Waylon...what brought on your remarks??
Z, he was responding to my not wanting to read faux-Christian sanctimony from an unabashedly repugnant and widely known blogosphere anti-Semite.
Seems the bait caught a different fish than the one I was referring to.
Why would I want to be "grafted" onto Judaic prophecies, Beakerkin?
Romans 11:17?
Bueller?
Always...right? I think we're right, definitely.
INTERFAITH... odd.
Beamish, ya..I see.. you were smoking Ducky out...
Waylon, I don't think most Jews consider us SWINE or hate Christ as you infer.
I have a rabbi friend I do an occasional study with with two other Christian friends........we always study the O.T....but he's 100% respectful of our faith and we are of his......concentrating on what I refer to as "the bones" of our faith...the N.T. being the 'flesh on those bones' (in more ways than one!, come to think of it)
amen to that, beamish.
No, not Ducky. The one who "didn't want to appear sanctimonious," but did anyway.
"...the Talmud influenced early medieval attitudes toward Christianity. In addition, mention should be made of the vehemently anti-Christian Toledot Yeshu (The Life of Jesus), a Jewish biographical narrative about Jesus, which probably appeared in its complete form around the 10th century. In it, Jesus is presented as the product of a rape--a disrespectful rebel who achieved supernatural powers by stealing a holy name from the Temple. In recent years, many Christian groups have reconsidered their traditionally hostile attitude toward Judaism, which has in turn, led many liberal Jewish theologians to soften their attitudes toward Christianity ..."
So how is that reconciled by "grafting" others onto another religion that originally considered Christianity heretical? Olives,their vines and their sap notwithstanding ...
Waylon, I just can't imagine Christian groups so "traditionally hostile" to Jews. I certainly haven't ever been in or around one, not that I've been in many Christian groups.
Boy, this conversation should get good..
let the fights begin:! But back with scripture and facts, please :-)
B,
I meant that these allegedly stupid law enforcement types were able, despite their lack of intelligence, to sift through an incredible amount of information, find the suspects, and make it available to the public, the best of "eyes and ears" and bring the case to a successful conclusion.
Not bad for a bunch of jackasses, right? As for their lack of exposure to danger, one of them died and another is fighting for his life. I think that's evidence of dedication to the protection of the public that is admirable.
I'm sure you would have done the same.
Christianity wasn't "originally considered heretical" by Judaism. The 1st Century Christians met in Jewish synagogues after all.
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I agree that in the first century that early Christians did meet in synagogues. But the crucifixion of Christ also occurred in the first Century as well as the aforementioned Saul of Tarsus and his Road to Damascus awakening. That would mean before his awakening his persecution of early Christians also occurred in the first Century.
Are you also posting as Beakerkin?
I meant that these allegedly stupid law enforcement types were able, despite their lack of intelligence, to sift through an incredible amount of information, find the suspects, and make it available to the public, the best of "eyes and ears" and bring the case to a successful conclusion.
Yeah. The lowbrow beat cops that fired over 200 rounds of ammunition without hitting anything but houses and tree in Watertown first poured over images from CCTV video enhancement software. Or maybe those desk jockeys with the software keep the average cop IQ just above retarded.
You still have cops with bomb-search dogs on the scene BEFORE the blasts that turned up what?
You want a cookie for "the conclusion?" That up to 12 "sleepers" are still in the Boston area, and nobody knows square one on how to find them?
@Beamish -- You certainly didn't discount the possibility that right-wing Christians bombed the Boston Marathon. At least not long enough to prevent you from widely claiming such.
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Of course I didn't. Any rational person would accept that possibility absent facts.
On his highly enlightened blog, Beak was going on, as did AOW, about the missing Brown university student which the "always correct" (according to z) Michelle Malkin had named as the perpetrator.
Then there are the conspiracy theorists among you like Leticia who felt it was a Saudi operation and he was taken out of the country with the oversight of the State Dept.
In the face of that I think my skepticism was more level headed.
@z --- let the fights begin:! But back with scripture and facts, please :-)
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Why not let history and the tragedy of the Abrahamic religions be the facts?
No, Beakerkin is entirely a different poster.
And he's correct to point out that Judea was occupied by the Romans. Saul of Tarsus' "authority" to persecute Christians came from Rome, not Jerusalem.
Just as it was Roman soldiers that arrested Jesus, brought him to trial, and crucified him.
Of course I didn't. Any rational person would accept that possibility absent facts.
Facts never entered your equation. You were practically doing Zumba exercises to try to blame "right wing Christian tree-of-liberty-waterers" for what had all the earmarks of an Islamic terrorist IED bombing.
Why can't you be a good sport and admit that your bigoted assumptions and assertions were as wrong as you always are?
Waylon
You are obviously a dim bulb if you think I am the Great Gas Masked Patriot. The Great Gas Masked Patriot
is a unique philosopher.
Aboriginal Christianity is a sect of Judaism. They prayed in the same houses of worship.
If you accept Christ as your savior and hold hatred in your heart for the people and traditions from which he derived from you are a fool. The hatred in your heart does
not reflect the nobility or the spirit of the man whose disciples called him Rabbi.
There are those like Ducky who seek to subvert the church in the name of the fool Marx. There are those who do this in Judaism as well for Marxism is pure moral rot.
Better men then you learned the Judaic roots of Christ. If you call yourself a Christian then show respect for the traditions from which he came.
You can't cling to his message with
a heart full of mindless hate.
Z
There is no nobler thing on this earth then a true servant of Christ.
They serve the poor and needy as the calling of the savior. They founded hospitals, orphanages and tended to the lost long before the age of MSWs.
They held the mighty and the weak accountable before god. Our individual rights flow from Christianity into our secular law.
Our cultural ethos and values flow
from the teaching of Christ.
When Slavery ended it was because
Christians and few Jews thought it
was immoral. As we move to have imperial government fill the role of the Church we lose our character.
A true Christian posses grace and dignity. An example of this is jungle mom who serves the needy modestly.
I am not a Christian, but I respect his teaching and his followers.
Beakerkin, thanks for clarifying that you are two distinct posters. Beamish seemed to take over and speak in your place. Just curious that, I guess.
Anyway you jump all over the map attempting to vilify me for asking simple questions. Questions that make me a Marxist? Not sure if this conversation can continue with a thin skinned and prickly attitude that you display with answering anything asked?
Now hatred in my heart? Well, whatever, parson...
Saul of Tarsus' "authority" to persecute Christians came from Rome, not Jerusalem.
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That's true. And he acted as a fanatical persecutor of early Christians for the Romans. I guess we do agree on that.
Ducky, Malkin wasn't conjecturing, she was reporting the latest information that was coming across from law enforcement.
and what 'tragedy'?
Beak, you don't have to sell ME on it, or explain Christ to me, though your words are beautiful and true. :-)
Do you believe in heaven and salvation, my friend? (I'm sounding like The Merry Widow now!)
B,
Accuracy is at a premium when you are under stress. As one who has ducked lead on a few occasions I can only wish I was as calm then as I was on the firing range in training. Mostly, you try to put more lead in the air than your adversary and hope for the best.
The combination of acting under stress and keeping a cool head in order to analyze an incredible amount of information is a delicate balancing act to say the least. Especially when you lose one of your own.
I am thankful that there are people who are willing to run toward danger rather than run from it, in order to protect me and my loved ones.
Duncy
Actually the images came from Google.I leave my house to serve the public and the two names were Indian and Ethiopian.
Anyone stupid enough to walk around in a Che shirt deserves abuse. Che was a murderous incompetent moron
who never knew what soap was used for.
Beak...don't slam the left's idol! :-)
Law and Order..that's why I get SO ANGRY when people bash the cops. You and I know all cops aren't any better than all plumbers but, like pastors, we expect them to be saints.
People forget that they have children and wives at home, too.....and that they work long, stressful hours..etc etc...then suddenly all hell breaks loose and they're supposed to remember every law, every nuance...every bit of training. man.....it's a TOUGH JOB.
well, the 'suspect' has awakened and is writing to communicate with investigators because I believe he was shot thru the jaw....
I hope the media doesn't report everything he says because they give information I'd have thought would be better not known. The way the media acts, they seem to give future terrorists rules of what NOT to do if you want to be successful, like telling that buying something for a bomb at a store isn't a good idea for certain reasons, etc..........makes me mad.
There are those like Ducky who seek to subvert the church in the name of the fool Marx. There are those who do this in Judaism as well for Marxism is pure moral rot.
Better men then you learned the Judaic roots of Christ. If you call yourself a Christian then show respect for the traditions from which he came.
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Beakerkin
Can we agree that Christianity arose originally from Judaism, that early Christianity evolved to become represented by the Church of Rome and eventually the Church of Rome evolved and Protestantism came from that, because Luther and others didn't accept that you could buy your way into heaven by paying money to the church?
So given all this spilled over the time frame of the last two thousand years, are you saying that if it wasn't for Marx and Ducky, we'd be one big happy family? I'm doubting that.
Well Beak, it remains that the report was completely false and was reported by the usual band of hate mongers in the front line right wing blogosphere and then picked up by folks like yourself.
So based on a T-shirt a person is a legitimate target for a false accusation of a mass bombing.
You do have a talent for being a fool.
Ducky, what the heck was "completely false?"
How about NPR and ABC and others saying it was a rightwing bunch 'because patriot day is next month'.
are you KIDDING ME? that's hilarious...ya, Michele Malkin reports the news that's leaking out and you slam her, and completely IGNORE the leftwing CraP AND LIES......
how do you sleep at night?
Waylon, I'm one happy family with MY Jewish friends :-)
Ducky, do you still consider yourself a catholic? Sounds to me like you've become totally secular.
I was amused by the "interfaith service" even more after reading Mark Steyn's musing on how the Muslim bombers hijacked a vehicle with a "co-exist" bumper sticker on it!
You couldn't write a better script!
Heh
@Z:
Like telling that buying something for a bomb at a store isn't a good idea for certain reasons, etc..........makes me mad..."
I heard thru the grapevine that the consistently dumb ass, DiFI...who stiil thinks that an AR15 is an assault weapon because it has a $5 grip on it...as opposed to the same caliber rifle as a Remington...has introduced an amendment to ban APC's now.
That's according to this dope...this sack of dung...an "Assault Pressure Cooker" ban.
Seems like she and Cuomo, Schumer and BloomTurd ought to admit that they're in an endless circle jerk of stupidity.
@Scotty:
"co-exist" bumper sticker on it!
Even more amusing than their Russian / Cheychan friends had a new Bimmer with "Terrorista#1 on their tags?
While attending college on our dime?
Waylon
As stated Marx's obsessive hatred of Jews are evident in his scribblings.
He converted and remained pathologically obsessed with Jews at a level only exceeded by Nazis.
Many think the term the Jewish Question is a Nazi term. In fact Marx wrote about it and the Nazis merely added a final solution to Marx.
The greatest modern antisemites also tend to be Marxist Jews
Norman "Maoist" Finklestein, Shlomo
Sand and Noam Chomsky who swears he is an anarchist.
Comparison of Marxists to baboons is an insult to baboons who are a noble creature. I really could care
less if Marxists are offended. A genuine Jew views Marxists in the same manner a Black man views the KKK. When baboons complain about being compared to Marxists I will apologize to the baboons who are clearly more civilized and intelligent.
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