Monday, November 14, 2011

The quote of that century, this century, too.......

"WHAT LUCK FOR THE RULERS THAT MEN DO NOT THINK."
Adolph Hitler.


z

53 comments:

Always On Watch said...

Not a good omen for the future.

Brooke said...

Those who do not know history...

Ducky's here said...

Heck yes. Herman Cain promises you war with Iran, torture and poverty and you love him. Can't wait.

Joe said...

As usual, Ducky is random and missed the point, even of his hero.

Government schools have substituted propoganda for thinking, even in the realms of math, science and history, especially history.

Wo why would we expect the average American to think?

Wll they really know how to do is feel.

Joe said...

So,

Ducky's here said...

Propaganda in math? Would you like to continue digging the hole Joe?

Speedy G said...

lol! Obviously ducky hasn't seen what passes for "Calculus" in an inner city high school.

There's a reason why inner city high school students don't generally take the AP Calculus Exams.

Speedy G said...

...and there's a reason why "Jamie Escalante" was accused of faking his results in "Stand and Deliver".

Union teachers like to "pretend" that they know the subjects they teach. Very few actually do.

sue hanes said...

Z - I'm assuming that the quote means by 'men' - that specific gender.


'cause if it does - then I say
that I'm in total agreement.

Z said...

AOW and Brooke...exactly right. We need to wake up and stop being complacent and allowing the media lies...like the ones Ducky's perpetrating here :-)

Ducky...Cain wants torture and poverty...and war with Iran is his big thrill, eh? Link it "can't wait!" to see it. I know, I know..better Iran hits us first, then we at least wouldn't look like the aggressor :-) and, I know, Ducky, hitting Israel first isn't a negative in your world.

Joe, Feeling is everything now, thanks to liberals. It's also a big part of why CHristianity's getting easy to leave. When one doesn't FEEL, one must not BELIEVE, right? It's a very beguiling concept, one Oprah pushed for years.

Ducky, so you agree with the propaganda other than in math?
And Speedy G makes a good point even on math.

Sue, the slightest mention of MAN doesn't get me thinking WHAT ABOUT WOMEN? EVER, and it never has......I still harken to MAN standing for MANKIND..

Ticker said...

Yes, we have seen the results of "mankind" not thinking especially as shown by those who voted for the current "ruler" wannabe.

Ticker said...

Joe, Speedy, you all know that Duckbutt didn't take math or history or even science.
He majored in underwater basket weaving and finger painting. He's the expert in dabbles and weaving BS.

Z said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xM5ILOsHLnw&feature=related

There's the perfect example (watch the whole thing, it's short) of how Christianity's being diluted and becoming ineffective in its weakness while that's trumped as 'more loving' by Oprah. But promoted by a LEADER.
FEELINGS come first today in faith...TOTALLY TOTALLY UNSCRIPTUREAL (and, of course, Scripture is THE only way to know the Word of God, the ONLY way) but OPRAH THINKS (oops) FEEEELS this way and everyone must believe this way......and, therefore, her kind of Kindness and generosity trump God today....."there couldn't POSSIBLY be just one way" Oprah blathers....."what ABOUT Jesus?" she's asked by someone in the audience, ."..just because YOU say this isn't possible.." the brilliant studio audience continues... (BRAVO, lady)

Z said...

msnbc this morning, the dopey Scarborough show, insisted that Gingrich told Mitch Daniels to run for president because it would do wonders for his bottom line.

I have tried to Google that and can't find it but would really appreciate anybody who can dig it up.
thanks.

Jan said...

"... a light will shine through that window, a beam of light will come down upon you, you will experience an epiphany ... and you will suddenly realize that you must go to the polls and vote for Obama" ~ Barack Obama Lebanon, New Hampshire.
January 7, 2008.

"When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is to co-operate with evil, and in some small way to become evil oneself. One's standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control." ~Theodore Dalrymplew

Obviously, we are being told the most obvious lies, and expected to not think, and to remain silent...if we comply, though, we are doomed, as a Nation and a People.

Z said...

Jan said...

"... a light will shine through that window, a beam of light will come down upon you, you will experience an epiphany ... and you will suddenly realize that you must go to the polls and vote for Obama" ~ Barack Obama Lebanon, New Hampshire.
January 7, 2008.


Jan: IS THAT A JOKE? He REALLY said THAT?

Ducky's here said...

Ducky, so you agree with the propaganda other than in math?

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I don't believe it exists. Saying that math is propagandized is just the most flagrant.

Let's see, science, well we all know that's because the right possesses all truth on the climate issue but so long as you agree with them it isn't propaganda.

History? I think there is nothing more ludicrous than the right talking about their knowledge of history. As far as I can tell, and I am willing to be proven wrong, "knowledge of history" means accepting the idea of American exceptionalism and our being the stand in for Israel till the temple is rebuilt. That's a little shaky.

I've got two history books on my nightstand.

Robin Blackwell's "The American Crucible
Vol. 1 of Fernand Braudel's "The Mediterranean World in the Age of Philip II".
The latter is a tough slog and Braudel was a socialist so I'm sure I'm wasting my time with propaganda.

Jan said...

Z..yes, he really did say that.

http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9845595-7.html

sue hanes said...

Z - Me too.


But I just wanted to clear that up so that I would know.

Leticia said...

That is eerie...and quite disturbing. And many of us are aware that a lot of people blindly follow their leaders.

liberaldude said...
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Joe Conservative said...

Propaganda? Of COURSE it is!

A letter from Isaiah Berlin to George Kennan:

But of course what we violently reject is not these questions of fact, but the very idea that there are any circumstances in which one has a right to get at, and shape, the characters and souls of other men for purposes which these men, if they realised what we were doing, might reject. We distinguish to this extent between factual and value judgement--that we deny the right to tamper with human beings to an unlimited extent, whatever the truth about the laws of history; we might go further and deny the notion that "history" in some mysterious way "confers" upon us "rights" to do this or that; that some men or bodies of men can morally claim a right to our obedience because they, in some sense, carry out the behests of "history," are its chosen instrument, its medicine or scourge or in some important sense "Welthistorisch"- -great, irresistible, riding the waves of the future, beyond our petty, subjective, not rationally bolsterable ideas of right and wrong. Many a German and I daresay many a Russian or Mongol or Chinese today feels that it is more adult to recognise the sheer immensity of the great events that shake the world, and play a part in history worthy of men by abandoning themselves to them, than by praising or damning and indulging in bourgeois moralisings: the notion that history must be applauded as such is the horrible German way out of the burden of moral choice. If pushed to the extreme, this doctrine would, of course, do away with all education, since when we send children to school or influence them in other ways without obtaining their approval for what we are doing, are we not "tampering" with them, "moulding" them like pieces of clay with no purpose of their own? Our answer has to be that certainly all "moulding" is evil, and that if human beings at birth had the power of choice and the means of understanding the world, it would be criminal; since they have not, we temporarily enslave them, for fear that, otherwise, they will suffer worse misfortunes from nature and from men, and this "temporary enslavement" is a necessary evil until such time as they are able to choose for themselves--the "enslavement" having as its purpose not an inculcation of obedience but its contrary, the development of power of free judgement and choice; still, evil it remains, even if necessary. Communists and Fascists maintain that this kind of "education" is needed not only for children but for entire nations for long periods, the slow withering away of the State corresponding to immaturity in the lives of individuals. The analogy is specious because peoples, nations are not individuals and still less children; moreover in promising maturity their practice belies their professions; that is to say, they are lying, and for the most part know that they are. From a necessary evil in the case of the education of helpless children, this kind of practice becomes an evil on a much larger scale, and quite gratuitous, based either on utilitarianism, which misrepresents our moral values, or again on metaphors which misdescribe both what we call good and bad, and the nature of the world, the facts themselves. For we, i.e. those who join with us, are more concerned with making people free than making them happy; we would rather that they chose badly than not at all; because we believe that unless they choose they cannot be either happy or unhappy in any sense in which these conditions are worth having; the very notion of "worth having" presupposes the choice of ends, a system of free preferences; and an undermining of them is what strikes us with such cold terror, worse than the most unjust sufferings, which nevertheless leave the possibility of knowing them for what they are--of free judgement, which makes it possible to condemn them--still open.

Joe Conservative said...

(cont.)

You say that men who in this way undermine the lives of other men will end by undermining themselves, and the whole evil system is therefore doomed to collapse. In the long run I am sure you are right, because open-eyed cynicism, the exploitation of others by men who avoid being exploited themselves, is an attitude difficult for human beings to keep up for very long. It needs too much discipline and appalling strain in an atmosphere of such mutual hatred and distrust as cannot last because there is not enough moral intensity or general fanaticism to keep it going. But still the run can be very long before it is over, and I do not believe that the corrosive force from inside will work away at the rate which perhaps you, more hopefully, anticipate. I feel that we must avoid being inverted Marxists. Marx and Hegel observed the economic corrosion in their lifetime, and so the revolution seemed to be always round the corner. They died without seeing it, and perhaps it would have taken centuries if Lenin had not given history a sharp jolt. Without the jolt, are moral forces alone sufficient to bury the Soviet grave-diggers? I doubt it. But that in the end the worm would eat them I doubt no more than you; but whereas you say that is an isolated evil, a monstrous scourge sent to try us, not connected with what goes on elsewhere, I cannot help seeing it as an extreme and distorted but only too typical form of some general attitude of mind from which our own countries are not exempt. For saying this, E.H. Carr has attacked me with some violence, in a leading article in The Times Literary Supplement last June. This makes me believe I must be even more right than I thought, since his writings are among the more obvious symptoms of what I tried to analyse, and he rightly interprets my articles as an attack on all he stands for. All this comes out particularly in his last oeuvre--on the Russian Revolution--in which the opposition and the victims are not allowed to testify--feeble flotsam adequately taken care of by history, which has swept them away as, being against the current, they, eo ipso, deserve. Only the victors deserve to be heard; the rest--Pascal, Pierre Bezukhov, all Chekhov's people, all the critics and casualties of Deutschtum or White Man's Burdens, or the American Century, or the Common Man on the March-- these are historical dust, lishnye lyudi ["superfluous men," in Turgenev's and Dostoevsky's term], those who have missed the bus of history, poor little rats inferior to Ibsenite rebels who are all potential Catilines and dictators. Surely there never was a time when more homage was paid to bullies as such: and the weaker the victim the louder (and sincerer) his paeans--vide E.H. Carr, Koestler, Burnham, Laski, passim? But I must not waste your time any further. Once more I should like to say how deeply moved I was by your formulation of what it is that excites in us the unparalleled horror which we feel when we read of what goes on in Soviet territories, and to convey my admiration and unbounded moral respect for the insight and scruple with which you set it forth. These qualities seem to me unique at present; more than this I cannot say. Yours ever, Isaiah

Impertinent said...

" Herman Cain promises you war with Iran"...


And you? Propose what? Kissing Irans ass...thanking them for killing thousands of America soldiers...let them nuke Israel and let them go uninhibited towards a nuke capacity which these assholes intend to use ( they've said so ) in the ME?

Torture? Duck...you're enough torture to read. You're the quintessential nails on the board. Besides being an insufferable douche.

Impertinent said...

"means accepting the idea of American exceptionalism and our being the stand in for Israel till the temple is rebuilt."..


Versus the caliphate which suits you better?

Duck...duck. Your head will be a delight to see on a roll.

Allah akubar. Learn it....love it duck.

Impertinent said...

"I've got two history books on my nightstand..."


Tell the truth Duck...Das Kapital and Mein Kampf are your real favorites. Along with Saul Alinsky and speeches by Hillary ( the drag queen ) Klinton.

Impertinent said...

"Propaganda in math?"


Of course there is. Spend, charge, spend, credit, spend more, college debt, home loans for those with no income ( thanks Bwaney and Chris you two bedfellows just fucked me with my own net worth ).....ask for the taxpayer to pay it. Ask for it to be forgiven because...because....you can't.

Become a useless 99% er. Make like you had no idea that the credit card was real...and that you had to be responsible for it and pay....like...99 PERCENT of AMERICANS do.

Moron.

Impertinent said...

"Obviously ducky hasn't seen what passes for "Calculus" in an inner city high school."


Yeah...it's to hard to figure out how many ounces of crack you need to distribute to your 10 year old runners and how many Mac 10 bullets you can afford on your crack income to be fairly distributed to your runners. Especially in Chicago. Where guns and bullets are ..."Illegal".

But doesn't do too much to curb the dozen or so shootings every weekend ( party time ) in the hood.

FrogBurger said...

great quote from the devil I guess.

liberaldude, are you 12?

FrogBurger said...

Why does Ducky mention math when he supports ideas that don't add up?

Ducky, you can be glad that men don't think b/c otherwise they'd realize leftism goes nowhere. They'd look at Greece, France, etc and realize it's broke.

So please don't lecture us on math when you can't even look at actual numbers accurately yourself.

FrogBurger said...

As far as I can tell, and I am willing to be proven wrong, "knowledge of history" means accepting the idea of American exceptionalism and our being the stand in for Israel till the temple is rebuilt.

Ducky America is exceptional. Deal with it. It is as exceptional as antic Greece was when it laid the foundations of some political philosophies that shaped the Western world.

I don't need to read books on Philippe II to understand that.

But keep glorifying your ego through all the books you've read. that must be good for your self-esteem since you seem to have so many insecurities regarding your intellect.

As far as I'm concerned, your brain can't process the mass of information you've acquired. That's your problem.

Pris said...

I think we need look no further than Obama's election for lack of thinking. People were caught up with "change" and "yes we can".

They wanted to say they voted for this black man with charisma. It made them "feel" good. The first black President, Bill Clinton not withstanding.

They knew essentially nothing about him, but how they "felt" was what mattered

He used an almost ethereal presence, and appealed to the electorate with appealing promises, and of course those phoney fainting spells of some in the audience.

It was all illusory, and it worked. They didn't pay attention to the negative things he mentioned or his many gaffes.

Once they were drawn in, they dismissed those because they didn't want their bubble to burst.
This is what Hitler meant.

Ahhh, style over substance. It worked for Bill Clinton, and for Obama, big time. The liberals love it. Yep, and they "feel" sooo good.

Impertinent said...

"This is what Hitler meant."


Indeed Prisc. I've watched the Military channel that has loads of documentaries on how Hitler came to power. The fawning mobs...the fascist salutes....the adoring smiles, the huge parades, the mystique and of course ( without a TelePrompTer ) the speeches that enthralled all of Germany at the time.

Hitlers eloquence and mastery of words...emotions and grandiose expectations..( Yes we can...Change and all that Bullshit rubbish that normal people ignored or laughed at ) carried him for over 16 years. Right to their destruction and annihilation.

Now...we have a formidable loon in the WH....whom we know nothing about ( Germany knew much the same about Hitler...he had Jewish ancestry..( Obama has Kenyan roots ) which haunted him all his life. Hitler and Obama....never knew their fathers. Were connected to their mothers ( Obama's grandmother ) and had a huge Oedipus complex that dictated their lives.

History never lies...but always repeats itself...after all humans will do the same things all over again without realizing...it's been done before.

Never realizing that it's only the hair styles that have changed.

Ducky's here said...

Fess up, Imp, you never got passed high school algebra. That's why your the kind of sucker Herman Cain is after.

Ducky's here said...

... and I bet you're on of those fringe righties that "knows history".

Impertinent said...

Duck....if only you had real balls. If only you weren't a faggot hiding in a cellar. If only you were a real man.

I know history you little shit. American history. And as an exceptional country that millions have chosen as their own. Have assimilated and raised their children to be a part of this great experiment in freedom, human rights and the greatest Republic in the history of mankind.

You...in that totally schizophrenic state ( of Assachusetts ) of denial, absurdity, disgusting acceptance of sodomy, fisting and ( led by a soddened queer called Frank ) every deranged, despicable act against mankind...I pray will be conquered by ( voting of course ) Islamist mullahs that will reap justice upon all of you from Providence to Revere.

Z said...

Ducky, I hate to repeat something I wrote in a comment the other day, but my young cousin is attending Pepperdine University..the textbook for American History barely mentions the Revolutionary War OR the Civil War. He said they mention it and go into ABSOLUTELY no detail; no war heroes taught about, no motivations for the war, NOTHING.
INstead it's full of slavery and native americans........to the point where a friend of his said "Do you get the impression they're for the Indians killing Americans?"
Ya.

You don't call that revisionist history? I'd have thought the wars were pretty important in AMERICAN history classes starting from the beginning of our country.
They were discussed when WE were studying history.

And, if you'd read my sentence again, I said "OTHER than math"...Math is pretty cut/dry...every other subject other than foreign languages, seems to be indoctrination these days.

Ducky, your smugness is grating on me again. Go and frequent blogs where you're more welcome.
I'm TIRED of you telling my commenters they're stupid because they disagree with you and admire Republican candidates.

WHERE THE HELL DO YOU GET OFF?

PLEASE GO AWAY if you can't discuss things rationally and without insulting. Be a MAN, for GOd's sake.

Lisa said...

It's a tie between Imp,Pris and FB for putting the quack head in his place.

Good job guys!!!!! I am living vicariously through your statements.

Impertinent said...

"It's a tie between Imp,Pris and FB for putting the quack head in his place."


Lisa


Yet...it's clearly Prisc, Z and FB for having enough discipline for trying...really trying to engage the little vermin ( Duck ) in a civilized retort. I have no such delusions Lisa. I'm a snipe from New Jersey that has learned to kick them in the nuts first. Ask questions...never. Just act.

As an old vet...real old....I thank my betters for teaching me the art of OFFENSE.

I despise wimps...eletist freaks masquerading as our "betters" and completely fooking this country up to a point of...no return.

I pray to God...that they all self export to Mexico or Saudi Arabia...or a shorter trip..CUBA. Where Michael Moore and Danny Glover can be the new despots.

Impertinent said...

"Be a MAN, for GOd's sake."

Oh shit Z...I couldn't resist. He's definitely the little ( http://tinyurl.com/yaxbl98 ) faggot in the Dire Straits video )

Until...they had to change it due to PC madness. Funny enough...I've been having my hair cut by a queen for 10 years now...Scott's his name. And he tells me..no crap...he's just a little faggot.

He's proud of it. I tolerate it. Yet...I just wish ducky would admit it....he's no man.

This is what the metrosexual disease has caused males to be. Undecided, unsure and uncomfortable with their maleness. t

Look at poor Herman Cain. A man...( a real man ) hits on a woman....she says NO. Fine. The man walks away. Tries again..it's our nature.

Right or wrong...who decides? Men....will always be men. It's DNA.

Yeah..women will say it's wrong...but...if a woman is never hit on...that's an ugly lady to me. LMAO.

But ducky...has an allegiance to a queer, a male whore....as his hero.

Is Barney...a real man?

Real MEN...are Ms. Z's husband and Ms. Prisc's husband. I know for a fact that a queen like Ducky...can never be a man like these two real men are.

God bless them both for NEVER losing their masculinity.

Ducky's here said...

Sounds a little odd,z. Pepperdine is one of the most conservative colleges in the country so you can't very well blame the liberal elite.

I notice you tolerate Imp's vulgarity. Kind of a double standard.

FrogBurger said...

I'm TIRED of you telling my commenters they're stupid

Amen.

People like Ducky, full of themselves because they have acquired some knowledge in books, instead of observing life and human nature, and wishing human beings were perfected, all of this despite of what history shows us, are ruining the Western world.

So I am too tired of that moronic elite that ignores the obvious, because the obvious doesn't stroke their ego.

Impertinent said...

Duck...since when are you to decide what's "vulgar"?

Common everyday speech?

I guess you turds in OWS decided that rape, assault, violence were free speech?


Since when do you define the First amendment? Eat shit duck. That's my first amendment rights...and if Ms. Z doesn't like it...it's because she wants me to be civil. Even to turds like you.

Which...I cannot be.

Z said...

Ducky, i was just going to ask Imp to tone it down; nothing to do with your ridiculous and smug comment to me, by the way. As I've told you before when you've whined, Imp is a FRIEND, Ducky. And he is angry and open about it; he doesn't hide behind ugly sarcasm and smug straw men. I can take foul language better than I can take some of the insults in your comments.

As for Pepperdine, you again obfuscate the point. Do you think Pepperdine prints textbooks, Ducky? They only buy PEPPERDINE AMERICAN HISTORY? Sure, ignore my point..it's easier to hide behind something you know than to address the point.

Imp, please tone it down.

I don't like it getting quite this ugly here. Even though I understand, BELIEVE me

FrogBurger said...

More about how the left changes history...

My mom was just telling me today that the French kids are not taught that Charles Martel kicked the Arab invaders' ass in 732. It's not PC. We can't offend the French from Arab descent now even though it's the historical truth. But I'm sure we can say we killed Arabs during Christian crusades.

Z said...

FB, they SURE did teach that before, right?
I happen to believe the French get the best training in their own country's history than any country's kids get, and now the liberals have changed even THAT?
HOW DISGUSTING!
And, oh, yes...they'll teach Christians killed Muslims or Arabs in a heartbeat, wouldn't they.

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa..................it's ALL OUR FAULT. @W#$(&@#(*$&@(#&

FrogBurger said...

FB, they SURE did teach that before, right?

Yes, I did learn that in school and if there was one battle we could be proud of as French it's this one since we lost so many of them :(

Impertinent said...

"Imp, please tone it down."


Oh...I'll try Z. I'll try. The twit just loves to push buttons. And....well....I despise him and his ilk.

Z said...

"loves to push buttons"...I know. And then whines.

Impertinent said...

And I thought Justin Timberlake was a fruit too.

"While this tribute was playing, you could hear a pin drop. It was a surreal moment to be in that room with so many of our great Marines who have such a different type of connection to those stories. One that we who don’t serve will NEVER understand. It was familial. It was like they were listening to their own blood brothers. I glanced around the room at young men and women, spouses and soldiers… At kids way beyond their years, really… All so deeply entwined. Not just by battle, even though we who have never endured anything remotely close to those experiences and have NO position to comment on… But, by having such life changing experiences through them and to not ever waver in their love and respect for our homeland. That’s what I saw. A faith in us that has been tested time and time again. And, through it all, NEVER a drop of doubt. …


To all my fellow brothers who were in arms...to protect...to defend even the worst scum in America.....like the commies, socialists and elitists like Duck...libturd....

This can never be too late. Even 4 days after 11-11-11.

Duck...thank God for the Marine Heros that have made your pitiful existence possible for 234 years.

Suck it up duck.....real men don't whine...they serve.

Too many of us gave a lot of years of our young lives...our lives that could have been spent in tents...or in Woodstock...or smoking dope in SFO...but we were asked to serve. We were asked to put our lives on hold....so that many could escape into academia....where they wind up on Wall Street to screw us.

I'll take the Marines any day over the whores and crooks in NY.

sue hanes said...

Imp - Amen to the last sentence of your comment just before this one of mine.

sue hanes said...

Impertent - You need to contact Mayor Bloomberg.


I think he is going to clean up the City.

sue hanes said...

imp - sorry for the mispelling of your name