Wednesday, November 23, 2011

Some things simply never change....get a load of this from 1949

We'd have had a chance if anybody'd listened back then and we didn't have a whole party actually believing we WILL not "run out of cash"..... with the kind of thinking in this old article/poem and less indoctrination through these last years, perhaps things wouldn't have gone as "smash" as they have.  Things are so far worse than most of us think.  America needs prayer, folks. 
Thanks, Ellen.
z

135 comments:

Always On Watch said...

Great find!

The more things "change," the more they stay the same, huh?

Ducky's here said...

Yeah, The Daily News has always been a rag.

Speedy G said...

Thanks ducky. Rag paper is well known to be of superior quality than pulp papers like the Times.

FrogBurger said...

Fascinating find I must say.

Ducky reading your comments also feels like reading a rag.

A Pissed Off Irishman said...

FrogBurger said it best....

Chuck said...

"You do too damned much thinking, son,

To be a Democrat"


LMAO. To make it better we have the Duck, with his usual miss the whole point of the post, to prove this last bit right.

I guess I'm a little confused with the overall theme of the poem though. This system of government has worked so well in other countries like Venezuela, Cuba, most countries of the EU, and all of the former Soviet bloc countries.

Z said...

AOW, super poem, isn't it. WOULD that people'd listened.

Ducky...and the point is?? :-) You're hilarious! Think bigger, Ducky, you always get stuck in the silliest stuff, honestly!

Speedy....if he can't fight the words, it's 'kill the messenger' with poor ducky.

FB...ignore

Chuck..right, particularly the former USSR :-)

Thersites said...

...if he can't fight the words, it's 'kill the messenger' with poor ducky.

Just another one of civilizations myriad discontents.

Z said...

I just hope we can get back to the amazing 'poem' and how this guy was such a prophet and nobody really listened...except Republicans who've understood this all along.....

George said...

I love that poem, especially the last couple of lines.

beamish said...

It is a cute poem, but maddening also.

Because 62 years later, anyone seriously wanting to eliminate ALL entitlement programs will trigger all the infantile pseudo-conservatives (i.e. Teabaggers) wailing like the leftists that they are about how they NEED their government pacifiers.

And thus, the problem never gets solved. And never will be solved, as long as, well, nobody wants to solve it.

Z said...

George, welcome and thanks!

Beamish, Happy Thanksgiving.

beamish said...

Happy Thanksgiving to you to, Z.

DaBlade said...

What is this yellowed parchment with printed words on it? A newspaper? I've heard of those! Sadly, too many are't listening now either. Great post Z!

Bob said...

Time changes little, especially socialism. The ideas have not changed, nor have its adherents gotten any smarter. It is hard to believe that a Harvard educated person would subscribe so fully to a discredited ideology as Barack Obama has wedded his intellect to socialism.

What's going on, here?

-FJ said...

Still advocating the pillow to grandma's face I see, beamish. Some things never change.

Happy Thanksgiving, beamish. That conservative "fusionists" like yourself will never have a candidate to vote FOR!

Jan said...

Z..guess this guy WAS speaking prophetically, wasn't he?

Ducky, the truth hurts, huh?

Or is it that you just prefer yellow journalism?

FrogBurger said...

Happy thanksgiving to all of you. It's my favorite holiday. More than Christmas.

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liberaldude said...

Goes to show how little the hating, compassionate-less wingnuts have evolved.

Z said...

libdude, it just goes to show you don't read.

FrogBurger said...

Goes to show how little the hating, compassionate-less wingnuts have evolved.

Shows more how insane you guys are since you keep repeating the same mistakes.

beamish said...

Still advocating the pillow to grandma's face I see, beamish. Some things never change.

See what I mean? The poem was written about the far-left freeloader Democrats of the future, like FJ.

You know, where everyone proposing we end the farce of "entitlement" sloth is demonized as an axe-murderer.

beamish said...

I wonder if the lefties ever taught FJ to fetch, roll over, and play dead, or if sit up and beg is all he knows.

beamish said...

Could someone discern me the difference between "liberaldude" and FJ?

Do they post from the same computer?

FrogBurger said...
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FrogBurger said...

Do they post from the same computer?

I see them taking turn on each other's laps to share the keyboard while their laughing out loud posting their comments.

-FJ said...

You know, where everyone proposing we end the farce of "entitlement" sloth is demonized as an axe-murderer."

So what's your non-flip answer to those currently dependent on Social Security/Medicare, is it still "Eat air, suckers!"

Euthanizing the aged and currently dependent is NOT an acceptable solution to granting YOU a happy retirement, beamish. And until you can come up with a viable one that enables them to a dignified and natural end, you can go 'f yourself for all I care.

Z said...

FrogBurger, you think FJ and Liberaldude are similar? in WHAT? :-)


FJ "Euthanizing the aged and currently dependent is NOT an acceptable solution to granting YOU a happy retirement, beamish."

I couldn't agree with you more. Very well said...thanks.

beamish said...

So what's your non-flip answer to those currently dependent on Social Security/Medicare, is it still "Eat air, suckers!"

Oh God no. Lord knows you lefties hyper-ventilate enough over the prospect of wiping your own asses by yourself.

Euthanizing the aged and currently dependent is NOT an acceptable solution to granting YOU a happy retirement, beamish. And until you can come up with a viable one that enables them to a dignified and natural end, you can go 'f yourself for all I care.

Sounds like a big ol' box of not my problem.

beamish said...

Who "disabled" the aged and currently dependent?

It wasn't me, hoss. Eat your big screen color television.

beamish said...

FrogBurger, you think FJ and Liberaldude are similar? in WHAT? :-)

I think Froggy agrees that there's little difference between people who claim advocates for personal responsibility and pulling one's own load are "heartless" and "uncompassionate" and people who claim advocates for personal responsibility and pulling one's own load are "heartless" and "uncompassionate."

beamish said...

FJ and liberaldude, the left-wing advocates of a freeloader's "right" to a "dignified and natural end" and other such "social justice" nonsense.

beamish said...

Social Security... helping America's parasites thrive since 1934...

Z said...

No, I think FrogBurger actually does see the huge difference between leftwingers and Tea Partiers.

beamish said...

No, I think FrogBurger actually does see the huge difference between leftwingers and Tea Partiers.

I'm sure it's the same "huge difference" between citrus fruit and oranges.

Since you agree with the far left welfare statist FJ, you tell me the difference between the far left welfare statist "LiberalDude" accusing all people who seek to end welfare statism of being "hating, compassionate-less wingnuts" and FJ accusing me of wanting to euthanize and murder people because I want to end welfare statism.

The two far leftists seem very lockstep in agreement that the welfare state needs to be defended with insults, hyperbole, and whiny bullshit from the mean ol' nasty thinking people that want to take their gravy train away.

You really want to caucus with that?

beamish said...

Then again, FJ's hero Nietzsche's "will to power" amounted to little more than drooling on himself on his sister's dime.

But the talk was real pretty-like, while it lasted.

-FJ said...

Sounds like a big ol' box of not my problem.

Sound like a big ol box of you still having your head up your *ss, which is PAR for the "fuusionist conservative" course. You've got a problem with me, beamish, take it up with me somewhere else. Otherwise, go 'f yourself!

-FJ said...

...and btw - Thanks for your SS tax money. I'll be spending it playing slots at the local casino. They require bigger bills at the gaming tables.

beamish said...

I don't have a problem with you, FJ. At least not one that poses any difficulty, intellectual or otherwise.

Surely you'll aspire to make something more than an ass of yourself one day.

Z said...

beamish, don't look now, but calling Tea Partiers leftwing is pretty silly, too.
We GET that you have a different opinion than probably literally every other human being in the country and stand by it, TRUST me...but to call FJ names is rich.

-FJ said...

...unlike yourself, at least there's a chance that I, one day, could achieve that goal.

-FJ said...

Sorry, Z. I'm done making insults.

beamish said...

beamish, don't look now, but calling Tea Partiers leftwing is pretty silly, too.

Maybe its a definitional shift. Sad that "words mean something" was a conservative truism. Still is, as long as I'm a conservative.

When you've got a "Constitutionalist" Tea Party House of Representatives abdicating its budgetary responsibilities to a "Super Committee" and a Tea Party dominated "Conservative Political Action Committee" throwing disco parties for gay marriage advocates, are they still "conservative?"

When the five Tea Party favored Presidential candidates (counting Donald Trump, who is making noise about running for President again) include cheerleaders for TARP bailouts, cheerleaders for Obama's 2009 stimulus boondoggle, advocates for dismantling America's military, advocates of raising taxes on all Americans, and advocates of Iranian nuclear weapons research, are we still talking about people favored for President by a "conservative movement?"

I think not.

beamish said...

but to call FJ names is rich.

I did no such thing. I merely identified him, correctly, specifically, and explicitly, as a far leftist.

Who else caterwauls that Granny is going to starve to death if Uncle Sam gets out of the welfare statism bidness? Staunch arch-conservatives?

LOL...

beamish said...

All I ask is that left-wing populists stop being called "conservatives."

Thersites said...

Who else caterwauls that Granny is going to starve to death if Uncle Sam gets out of the welfare statism bidness? Staunch arch-conservatives?

LOL...


Their lives after being tossed off Social Security simply being a whole pot of "not your problem," eh beamish?

If to be a "conservative" means that I have to cynically whine and moan and demonstrate my envy in constantly begrudging aging granny's their meager Social Security benefits, then by all means call me a left winger.... PLEASE! I don't want to be any such labelled "conservative".

beamish said...

Their lives after being tossed off Social Security simply being a whole pot of "not your problem," eh beamish?

Do we "toss them off Social Security" while Americans still have wealth to grow and voluntarily give for charitably taking care of them (if they need it), or do we continue tax away that wealth and increase debt obligations to the point we're so bankrupt we can't take care of Granny even if we wanted to?

Hint: the Baby Boomer "make our unborn descendants foot the bill" idea is a $15 Trillion epic fail.

If to be a "conservative" means that I have to cynically whine and moan and demonstrate my envy in constantly begrudging aging granny's their meager Social Security benefits, then by all means call me a left winger.... PLEASE! I don't want to be any such labelled "conservative".

Don't worry. Ralph Nader voters such as yourself have pretty much eliminated any and all prerequisites for the label.

Thersites said...

Do we "toss them off Social Security" while Americans still have wealth to grow and voluntarily give for charitably taking care of them (if they need it)

So how/when do we build private charitable organizations that can help all those people beamish casually tosses OFF Social Security?

A whole bag of "not my problem," he says. "Toss 'em off, let somebody else deal with it."

Wow. Conservatism has a bold new face. Cynicism.

Thersites said...

What are you doing to ease their transition, beamish? Where are you going to send YOUR charitable contributions to support the elderly tossed off Social Security. Do you even know what charity is? Let me give you a hint. It's NOT cynicism. Or is organizing private charity somebody else's problem, too? And since no one's going to regulate these new Social Security charities, why not just send 20% of you income directly to my home address? Start today, and demonstrate the "good faith nature" of your case?

beamish said...

So how/when do we build private charitable organizations that can help all those people beamish casually tosses OFF Social Security?

They already exist. Or rather, they did, until churches abdicated their social roles to the government (in fact, HELPED FDR sell his Social Security plan in the 1930s)

A whole bag of "not my problem," he says. "Toss 'em off, let somebody else deal with it."

Wow. Conservatism has a bold new face. Cynicism.


That Baby Boomers are typically docile parasites living under the delusion that Social Security checks are intended to entirely replace whatever income they made before retiring without a hitch really isn't my problem. Maybe that's where they got the idea that a $15 Trillion debt is a net positive, math skills not being their forte.

If that makes me "cynical," it certainly makes the alternative imbecilic.

beamish said...

why not just send 20% of you income directly to my home address?

I was wondering when a leftist like you was going to pitch for a handout.

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beamish said...

Is there something wrong / absurd about "conservatives" taking care of their own families and supporting the needy in their communities voluntarily through churches and civic organizations?

Do "conservatives" really need Uncle Sam's gun to their heads to "take care of those in need?"

Wow.

beamish said...

Why waste aspirin on someone who insists on hitting their own head with a hammer to see if it still hurts to do so?

Z said...

Blogger Z said...

"I did no such thing. I merely identified him, correctly, specifically, and explicitly, as a far leftist."

And you're simply wrong. Don't worry, you'll get over it.

And he's right about your pillow on grandma's face and he's always suggested things need to be changed after those who counted on SS and Medicare are gone....
I lost a commenter friend who loved it here until she emailed me asking what's wrong with you and how did you expect her to care for herself now that she has absolutely no family, owns her own condo, has a little savings, and a catastrophic disease would eat the price of her condo and her savings in probably 3 weeks?
It hurt her so badly to think a Conservative feels that way, not that you give a damn, that she hasn't come back to read anything here.

It's odd that you've taken to seemingly wanting to hurt people and insult them and that you stand STRONG in something that cannot be fixed from today to tomorrow.

Of course, there's nothing wrong with churches (shrinking by the minute) and civics organizations (?) helping.....there isn't anything wrong with payment plans for the sick, like they used to have, either........
but our healthcare has become so outrageously and unnecessarily expensive that even those things won't work.
Meanwhile, the one thing about our healthcare that's the best, our doctors, are the ones getting the biggest shaft. I can't BELIEVE how little my docs get as a pay from Blue Shield, and it's even less than Medicare/ most have to go off and count on private patients....but that's like gambling with socialism ; those rich patients are losing their money because of the stock market these days and are going to lose their shirts if the leftwingers keep taxing them and then where are the doctors? Where are WE?

Get the pillow for grandma.

beamish said...

And he's right about your pillow on grandma's face

Really? REALLY?! Are you left-wingers so bereft of intellectual capacity that you have to resort to slander and accusing me of wanting to murder people?

I lost a commenter friend who loved it here until she emailed me asking what's wrong with you and how did you expect her to care for herself now that she has absolutely no family, owns her own condo, has a little savings, and a catastrophic disease would eat the price of her condo and her savings in probably 3 weeks?
It hurt her so badly to think a Conservative feels that way, not that you give a damn, that she hasn't come back to read anything here.


Well, obviously we need a government program to force her to read your blog.

Are you kids for real?

beamish said...

It's odd that you've taken to seemingly wanting to hurt people and insult them and that you stand STRONG in something that cannot be fixed from today to tomorrow.

Well don't get new tires on your car until everyone on the planet has new tires. For God's sake, don't rock the boat.

Isn't it odd that YOU don't get the message of your own post? Let's just point accusatory figures at those "unthinking Democrats" until you're up to bat. You might come up with a solution for entitlement junkies that might upset an entitlement junkie.

And that would be baaaaaaaaaaad.

Friggin' sheep.

Speedy G said...

To eliminate Social Security tomorrow w/o any thought to a replacement system would LITERALLY be MURDER beamish. What part of THAT FACT eludes you?

Speedy G said...

...and YOU refuse to address any thoughts to a transition back to a private system. As you have repeatedly said, "It would be a whole bag of not my problem". So as I said before, "Go 'f yourself, grandma killer!"

Speedy G said...

Why can't you speak to a transition plan. Haven't YOU any intellectual capacity? :P

Speedy G said...

Principles, like so much "trash talk" are "cheap". A viable solution, and plan for arriving at it, on the other hand...

beamish said...

To eliminate Social Security tomorrow w/o any thought to a replacement system would LITERALLY be MURDER beamish. What part of THAT FACT eludes you?

The part where you'll stop being a sniveling leftist jerk self-convinced that crying like a little bitch is a suitable substitute for a fact-based discussion.

So people on Social Security are wards of the welfare state and will DIE without their entitlement fix because no one, no church, no family, no charity will step in and assist them? Really?

My what a dismally isolated world you leftists live in, with all the brainpower of a blown lightbulb.

You're too busy being part of the problem to be in on the solution.

...and YOU refuse to address any thoughts to a transition back to a private system. As you have repeatedly said, "It would be a whole bag of not my problem". So as I said before, "Go 'f yourself, grandma killer!"

I'm sorry that you leftists hate your grandmothers so much as to condemn them to live on a system subject to the whims of Congressional spending.

Maybe if you were conservative, you'd take care of your own grandmothers yourself.

beamish said...

...but then, you'd actually have to familiarize yourself with personal responsibility and other such "downers" to your fantasy world of "painless" $15 Trillion national debts and credit rating downgrades.

Speedy G said...

So people on Social Security are wards of the welfare state and will DIE without their entitlement fix because no one, no church, no family, no charity will step in and assist them? Really?

How many are in hospitals right now, beamish? How many are on Medicare/Medicaid. Yes, they would begin dying IMMEDIATELY w/o some OTHER form of government intervention. Yet you would deny them THAT. You are an irresponsible and DANGEROUS *ss, beamish. And I'm NOT speaking hyerbolically. I'm speaking literally.

Speedy G said...

In 2009, the top 400 charitable philanthropies in the United States collected approximately $68b in donations. In 2010, Medicare/ Medicaid payments by government for healthcare was $793b. Social Security payments totaled another $701b.

Your existing philanthropic saviors can't even handle 5% of the anticipated load. Yet you would increase it 20 fold. Smart move, beamish.... NOT!

Speedy G said...

btw - Are you taking care of YOUR parents/grandparents and turning their benefit money's back into the Treasury? Or are you still living in their basement?

Speedy G said...

Now add "hypocrite" to your list of grave faults that you need to work on. Your own personal ethic of charitable giving would appear to be grossly deficient. But I'm sure that rhetorically speaking, you are very generous with other people money, just as the government appears to be very generous with yours. Would you be so were you not required to be so? I sincerely doubt it.

Speedy G said...

...else you wouldn't whine so at the imagined heaviness of the federally imposed burden.

Speedy G said...

As for my own vision, I embrace the coming changes to the system. So don't give me that, I know you are but what am I. Reform is needed. But for you, reform is not enough. You ideological "purity" demands sacrifices, and victims.

beamish said...

No, my "ideological purity" merely asks that people who claim to be right-wing not join the bleeding heart irrationality of left-wing woe-is-me fantasies of people dying en masse if we took a step away from socialism, twerp.

But, keep dancing to the band on the Titanic. I'm as certain as you are that you'll float when your empty head hits the water.

Speedy G said...

Beamish defined:

All bluster that can't pass the mustard. Nothing substantive from the neck up. :P

beamish said...

FJ defined:

"Give me Obamacare or give me death!"

beamish said...

FJ, with a drum beat.

beamish said...

FJ's model citizen

Thersites said...

All bluster. No intellectual ability to solve real problems. Yep, q.e.d. again.

beamish said...

What "real problem," lefty?

You don't see bankrupting America with your addiction to entitlement spending to be a problem, you see it as a means to keep your granny alive.

Did you forget where your lack of intellectual capacity led you, dumbass?

beamish said...

Smoke another crack rock. I'll wait.

Thersites said...

I'm FOR entitlement reform, dumb*ss. You're FOR murdering Americans. I think the record is clear.

And a crack rock is what it would take to become equivalently intellectually impaired enough to believe otherwise. :)

Z said...

Where did FJ ever say he's for Obamacare?
When has any Tea Party member said he's for Obamcare?

immediately cutting off all ss and medicare never means supporting Obamacare...BIG difference.

EVERYONE's for reform, even those who feel we can't cut off those today who need help and relied on 'the system'....EVERYONE

beamish said...

I'm FOR entitlement reform, dumb*ss. You're FOR murdering Americans. I think the record is clear.

Yes, the record is very clear that you lack reading comprehension skills. You're for rising national debts and defaults and credit rating downgrades.

You certainly don't want entitlement reform. You want a welfare state in perpetuity.

You've even gone so sick left-wing that you honestly believe America must go bankrupt in fealty to the failed ideas of FDR and LBJ. Let's keep America in decline or Granny will die.

Pathetic.

Speedy G said...

^^just rolls eyes^^

If anyone has ever in the history of blogging demonstrated a lack of reading comprehension skills, you've personally demonstrated that lack very clearly for anyone and everyone who reads this thread.

beamish said...

Your intellectual dishonesty is usually cute. Now it's just... boring.

Speedy G said...

Say's the "I seek no path from a -> b, just jump to b" grandma killer.

beamish said...

Yawn.

If ending entitlements is "murder" then reducing entitlements is torture.

Enjoy your dilemma, moron.

-FJ said...

A dilemna for slow-witted morons like yourself only, grandma killer.

beamish said...

My grandmother owns five homes and rents out four of them.

I'm sorry your petty band of socialists could do no better.

::pats FJ on the head::

Speedy G said...

I'm glad to hear that you policy recommendations wouldn't likely affect your own family as severely as it would many others. But it's hardly a reason to kill other people's grandma's, grandma killer.

Speedy G said...

Over 40% of all 80+ year olds in the USA rely on Social Security benefits for at least 90% of their income support.

Around 30% of all 65+ year olds in the USA rely on Social Security for at least 90% of their income support.

Which one are you going to adopt and share your home with, beamish?

Oh, that's right, it's "Not my problem. Just cut 'em off and let private charities take of it. After all, those charities do currently have ~1/20th of the resources that the SSA has and that would go away under my 'f the elderly proposal. Let them eat cake!"

beamish said...

I'm glad to hear that you policy recommendations wouldn't likely affect your own family as severely as it would many others. But it's hardly a reason to kill other people's grandma's, grandma killer.

No government entitlement program helped my grandmother go from being an abandoned child of Irish immigrants growing up in an orphanage during the Great Depression to owning five houses and a bunch of land.

Hard work really does pay, leftist.

beamish said...

Oh, that's right, it's "Not my problem. Just cut 'em off and let private charities take of it. After all, those charities do currently have ~1/20th of the resources that the SSA has and that would go away under my 'f the elderly proposal. Let them eat cake!"

Actually, voluntary charities have as much money as people will give them.

I'm sure if I saw your mendicant leftist face covered with flies on a late-night commercial begging for a bowl of rice I might be moved to kick a little of the 12.4% of my income that would not be taken in OASDI payroll taxes from me your way.

But the commercial better acknowledge how your irresponsible life brought you so low.

beamish said...

Over 40% of all 80+ year olds in the USA rely on Social Security benefits for at least 90% of their income support.

Around 30% of all 65+ year olds in the USA rely on Social Security for at least 90% of their income support.


And nearly 100% of everyone on Social Security beyond two years after retirement is sponging off of money they didn't pay into the system and adding to the severity of the impending default on the national debt.

No matter. Let's reward the direct cause and source of America's economic decline with bankruptcy for everyone.

Talk about murderers. You're a thief AND a murderer.

Speedy G said...

And nearly 100% of everyone on Social Security beyond two years after retirement is sponging off of money they didn't pay into the system

Keep repeating the lie. That may have been the case once many MANY years ago before the Reagan fixes in the 80's, but no longer...as proven multiple times.
But then, repeating sad and envious lies are all you've got, beamish. It's pathetic, really.

Speedy G said...

Actually, voluntary charities have as much money as people will give them.

Indeed. But even if you DOUBLED the amount of federal taxes (or converted the equivalent amount into tax deductible charitable contributions through a slick PR campaign) on EVERY American earning more than $500K, you'd only be able to collect about 80% of what the system YOU are recommending eliminating pays in benefits.

Americans are generous, beamish. But tempt them to sock THAT money away for their own retirement OR give it away to others, and the vast majority will "privatize their gains and socialize their losses".

And then eleven million Americans currently 90%+ reliant upon Social Security benefits will "fall through the beamish crack".

Grandma killer.

beamish said...

even if you DOUBLED the amount of federal taxes (or converted the equivalent amount into tax deductible charitable contributions through a slick PR campaign) on EVERY American earning more than $500K, you'd only be able to collect about 80% of what the system YOU are recommending eliminating pays in benefits.

And so even you admit that pouring more money down into your preferred fraudulent left-wing rathole Ponzi scheme from increased taxation on the productive won't even set aside the $125.3 TRILLION needed to cover Medicare's unfunded mandates for the retirement bennies of Baby Boomer deadbeats like yourself.

I hope you squirreled away some of that money you saved from relatively negligible payroll tax rates back in the "good ol' days" for a big Chinese plasma screen TV and high-speed internet connection to watch the economic destruction of the country you hate the most and gave absolutely nothing back to.

And then eleven million Americans currently 90%+ reliant upon Social Security benefits will "fall through the beamish crack".

And 299 million Americans currently not determined to bankrupt the United States by any means necessary will give them a second chance at making something of their unfulfilled lifes with jobs as Wal-Mart door greeters. At a higher tax rate, of course.

Grandma killer.

Cock-sucking leftist.

beamish said...

And then eleven million Americans currently 90%+ reliant upon Social Security benefits...

You mean the 3.5% of Americans freeloading off of 20% of the annual federal budget?

beamish said...

Hmmm. If we shut down an utterly useless government agency like NASA at $19 Billion a year, we could inefficiently finance another 295,000 Social Security freeloaders.

Speedy G said...

Indeed we could. Sounds like the start of a plan, beamish.

Speedy G said...

Of course, getting future Social Security recipients to actually pay their own way, instead of partially cancelling their payment obligations and racking up even larger Social Security deficits like Obama has been doing these past two years, is perhaps an even better way. Of course, I've MORE than paid my own way, already, based upon my life expectancy. But hey, you've got ten more years to get all you can from me. Have at it.

Oh, that's right... you don't have a plan to do that, you only have a plan to genocide seniors. Oooooops.

beamish said...

Comment #100 woot!

Of course, getting future Social Security recipients to actually pay their own way...

As opposed to current Social Security recipients who never did and never could pay their own way, despite having significantly less tax burdens and even more significantly less costs-of-living...

Of course, I've MORE than paid my own way, already, based upon my life expectancy.

You're going to die before you retire?

Speedy G said...

We've already run the numbers, beamish. Your playing stupid is beginning to not look like a "play".

beamish said...

And your belief that your relatively negligible payroll taxes and employer matches in the past dissipate your part of the $126 TRILLION in unfunded mandates to be covered by taxing the hell out of several workers in the future to pay for YOU shows that perhaps mathematical illiterates shouldn't be claiming to have "run the numbers."

Your not ever even approaching paying for a significant part of your "promised" Ponzi scheme payouts "kills" you, not future workers balking at higher taxes to float your irresponsibility.

"Let the grandkids pay for it" is not an option. You've done spent their money.

Speedy G said...

lol!

I didn't spend the money. I gave it to the US government in good faith. That THEY piddled it away on the project du jour instead of investing it is an issue you need to take up with THEM, not people like the current retiree's who paid all their Social Security taxes in good faith.

You're demonizing the wrong goat beamish. And you don't even realize your mistake, since you're out to punish all the wrong people. We paid what we were ordered to pay, plus more than we'll ever collect. And the fact that your childless and need to import replacement workers from Mexico to fund YOUR retirement is a whole bag of not my problem.

Speedy G said...

...and if you were to simply return the "negligible payroll taxes" that I gave the government, I would be MORE than happy, since that "paltry sum" is more than I will EVER collect, let alone accounting for any interest that would have accrued if the money had been privately invested.

Speedy G said...

You have convinced me of one thing, beamish. I'd be stupid to consent to any changes to the existing system, as you want me and existing seniors to bear all the pain that's coming so as to spare yourself any. If ever there was a reason why this problem has never in the past been addressed and has been allowed to run it's course, it's because each generation wants it all. And your intransigence on the issue leads me to conclude that your generation is no different. I am no longer open to any compromise. I no longer believe it to be in my best interest to agree to any decrease in my personal benefits under the Ryan Plan. The long term solvency of Social Security is just a "whole bag of not my problem". Deal with your debt, infant. You had your chance to compromise and work out a deal, but you overplayed your hand.

Speedy G said...

"Let the grandkids pay for it" is not an option.

Wanna make a bet?

beamish said...

"Incumbents for reform" LOL.

I think you need to read the ruling in Flemming vs. Nestor a little more carefully, commie.

beamish said...

Were you expecting to socialize your losses, hmmm?

Thersites said...

They already all, beamish. I was going to help you privatize some of them, but why should I help you out? You've converted me to a conservative fusionism.... aka - "I've got mine."

beamish said...

Yeah sure Denise. You stepped real far away from your leftist position to stay unmoved.

Tell me, how did your Generation Baby Boomer and your employer matches wind up with a $126 TRILLION shortfall?

"I've got mine."

Except for that you don't.

-FJ said...

...and I'll soon have yours, too. :)

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