JOHN & JACQUELINE KENNEDY: *A philanderer of the highest order.* She ordered the kitchen help to save all the left-over wine during State dinner, which mixed with fresh wine and served again during the next White House occasion.*
*LYNDON & LADYBIRD JOHNSON *Another philanderer of the highest order. In addition, LBJ was as crude as the day is long.* *Both JFK and LBJ kept a lot of women in the White House for extramarital affairs, and both had set up "early warning systems" to alert them if/when their wives were nearby. Both Kennedy & Johnson were promiscuous and oversexed men. *She was either naive or just pretended to "not know" about her husband's many liaisons. *
*RICHARD & PAT NIXON ** *A "moral" man but very odd and weird, paranoid, etc. He had horrible relationship with his family, and in a way, was almost a recluse.* *She was quiet most of the time.*
*SPIRO AGNEW:** Nice, decent man, everyone in the Secret Service was surprised about his downfall. *
*GERALD & BETTY FORD: **A true gentlemen who treated the Secret Service with respect and dignity. He had a great sense of humor.. She drank a lot!* (z; the review includes that he was really cheap!)
*JIMMY & ROSALYN CARTER: **A complete phony who would portray one picture of himself to public and very different in private, e..g., would be shown carrying his own luggage, but the suit cases were always empty; he kept empty ones just for photo op's. Wanted the people to see him as pious and a non-drinker, but he and his family drank alcohol a lot. He had disdain for the Secret Service, and was very irresponsible with the "football" nuclear codes. He didn't think it was a big deal and would keep military aides at a great distance. Often does not acknowledge the presence of Secret Service personnel assigned to serve him.*She mostly did her own thing.*
*RONALD & NANCY REAGAN: **The real deal --- moral, honest, respectful, and dignified. They treated Secret Service and everyone else with respect and honor. Thanked everyone all the time. He took the time to know everyone on a personal level. *One "favorite" story which has circulated among the Secret Service personnel was an incident early in his Presidency, when he came out of his room with a pistol tucked on his hip. The agent in charge asked: "Why the pistol, Mr. President?" He replied, "In case you boys can't get the job done, I can help." It was common for him to carry a pistol. When he met with Gorbachev, he had a pistol in his briefcase. Upon learning that Gary Hart was caught with Donna Rice, Reagan said, "Boys will be boys, but boys will not be Presidents." [He obviously either did not know or forgot JFK's and LBJ's sexcapades!]* *She was very nice but very protective of the President; and the Secret Service was often caught in the middle. She tried hard to control what the President ate, and he would say to the agent "Come on, you gotta help me out."
The Reagan’s drank wine during State dinners and special occasions only; otherwise, they shunned alcohol; the Secret Service could count on one hand the times they were served wine during their "family dinner". For all the fake bluster of the Carters, the Reagan’s were the ones who lived life as genuinely moral people.*
*GEORGE H. & BARBARA BUSH: *Extremely kind and considerate Always respectful. Took great care in making sure the agents' comforts were taken care of. They even brought them meals, etc. *One time Barbara Bush brought warm clothes to agents standing outside at Kennebunkport; one agent who was given a warm hat, and when he tried to nicely say "no thanks" even though he was obviously freezing, President Bush said "Son, don't argue with the First Lady, put the hat on.." He was the most prompt of the Presidents. He ran the White House like a well-oiled machine.* She ruled the house and spoke her mind.*
BILL & HILLARY CLINTON:**Presidency was one giant party. Not trustworthy --- he was nice because he wanted everyone to like him, but to him life is just one big game and party. Everyone knows of his sexuality.*She is another phony. Her personality would change the instant cameras were near. She hated with open disdain the military and Secret Service. She was another one who felt people are there to serve her. She was always trying to keep tabs on Bill Clinton.*
ALBERT GORE: An egotistical ass, who was once overheard by his Secret Service detail lecturing his only son that he needed to do better in school or he "would end up like these guys" --- pointing to the agents.*
GEORGE W. & LAURA BUSH: The Secret Service loved him and Laura Bush. >>>>>He was also the most physically "in shape" who had a very strict workout regimen. The Bushes made sure their entire administrative and household staff understood to respect and be considerate of the Secret Service. KARL ROVE was the one who was the most caring of the Secret Service in the administration.* *She was one of the nicest First Ladies, if not the nicest; she never had any harsh word to say about anyone.*
BARACK & MICHELLE OBAMA: " Clinton all over again" - hates the military and looks down on the Secret Service. He is egotistical and cunning; looks you in the eye and appears to agree with you, but turns around and does the opposite---untrustworthy. He has temper tantrums.*She is a complete bitch, who hates anybody who is not black; hates the military; and looks at the Secret Service as servants.*
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The agent in charge asked: "Why the pistol, Mr. President?" He replied, "In case you boys can't get the job done, I can help." It was common for him to carry a pistol. When he met with Gorbachev, he had a pistol in his briefcase.
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Saint Ronnie Raygun was a gun loon? Never knew that.
No, President Ronald Reagan carried a gun. And I guess he was right, considering that he was shot.
Amazing man.
LOL @ gun loon. From a twit who calls himself ducky ... LMAO.
As to the article, why am I not shocked by any of this?
Mustang, couldn't you have written these descriptions even NOT knowing them at all?
I had hoped Michelle wasn't quite what I thought she was...I really had.
I imagine Nixon was a weird one, don't you?
Hillary is exactly as I'd thought she'd be...I've heard precisely that about her several times in articles I've read by insiders.
Carter? WHAT A PHONY. Honestly, I think he must be very happy with Obama; the one guy who could make Carter look good.
Terrific Post Z,
All of it substantiates what I had surmised about these Presidents. No surprises here.
Ducky didn't pay attention when Reagan was President. If he had, he would have known even Nancy had what she called a "little" gun which fit in her purse that Reagan had given her.
Get real Ducky, every President is never far away from that nuclear emergency telephone, so having a gun is not that surprising.
As for Reagan being a loon? I would expect that from you! The fact he was a decent man would escape you who thinks the "occupy" idiot creeps, are accomplishing something but the usual chaos the left loves!
Talk about lunacy!
I knew it. All you have to do is follow the news stories about them. Then, watch how they react. No surprises here.
Z - I can't even tell you what I read in a tell all book I USED to have about the Secret Service.
:)
But really - aren't those guys supposed to keep that sh*t to themselves?
Z,
Are these individual quotes from individual secret service people or consensus quotes or what exactly? The lopsidedness of the report strikes me as a tad suspicious.
Who said all this? That's what I'd really like to know. More importantly, what are THEIR politics like?
If these were all quotes from left-leaning secret service people, I'd probably be less suspicious; i.e., I guess I'm saying it would be easier to believe a "self-critical" liberal SS person. But if these quotes all came from conservatives or conservative-leaning types, well, you know...
Not knowing either way kinda leaves me flat-footed. Moreover, if my OWN personal experiences with conservatives and liberals led me to believe that one side was more moral than the other, then maybe I wouldn't be so suspicious. But in my life, the saints and the scumbags are pretty evenly distributed.
Not too mention, frankly, I can hardly imagine a black secret service person saying all that about Michelle Obama.
But hey, anything's possible.
Something else to consider: I have a friend currently serving in Afghanistan. He happens to be a 40-ish white guy who voted for McCain. About a year ago, I asked him, what does the average military guy think about Obama? I'll never forget his answer. Without any hesitation, he said, "Most of them are right-wing nuts and don't like him."
When I told that same story to another friend of mine who served in the military about 20 years ago, he immediately concurred, "Yep, that's pretty much the way it was when I served". i.e., in his experience, military guys -- particularly the white guys -- leaned GOP.
The 2nd guy, who happens to be black, used to joke that he never knew how much reverence Americans had for Reagan until he met all these white military guys.
Anyway, I said all that to say this: Sometimes, maybe, certain jobs attract certain mentalities over others, and subsequently, certain politics.
Maybe the secret service has a little bit of that going on.
Does the SS require a military background? Anybody know?
In any case, I concede this: I've heard a few anecdotes over the years, from people with direct and indirect experiences with Reagan, Clinton and Bush II. And I must say that those secret service accounts in that book aren't terribly different from what I've heard.
bho and mo-loathe the military as does bc and hc--they come from the same alisky camp!!
Carol-CS
" Without any hesitation, he said, "Most of them are right-wing nuts and don't like him."
Net...I really hope you're not looking for a racial reason...as I fear you're implying.
It's possible they don't like him for the same reasons 58% of the country doesn't like the man. And that's for his politics...as well as the fact that the current CIC...is not...has not been...and never will be one of them. He has never...NEVER served.
And they dislike him for his known weakness in dealing with the harsher realities of a very dangerous world. The man is a geek, a pacifist in a world that doesn't care for or respect weenies. I'll say it again...He has never served.
And our enlisted, career soldiers, airman and navy...know this.Period. (KOPSRPMAN with a hard K.)
Additionally...the man has never understood the military or it's purpose. He has mocked, ridiculed and disrespected our 4 star Generals and commanders form the very first day he became the CIC. When you wait 5 months to weigh a decision by our military leaders...and then summon McChrystal to his stinking foyer aboard AIR FORCE ONE...which is a MILITARY AIRCRAFT and then diss him in 20 minutes....it's not a wonder that the military hates his guts.
Even Carter had a military background...and a very prestigious one at that. I'll give the man that.
Everyone knew that Klinton / Klinton hated the military. His rapist in Chief was a draft dodger...his pant suited queen...was a military hating, Saul Alinsky slobbering radical, commie from her days in college.
Kennedy...at least had a heroic background...if you believe the accounts of PT109...which I think may have been embellished to propel his career by daddy Joe. However his brother Joe...was a true combat hero that died in his bomber.
As far as the First Lady? It's well know she has a disdain for whites...and for the country. From her early days at Princeton too...but she made out pretty well from an AA course...NO?
"Does the SS require a military background? Anybody know??
Not really. But an applicant won't be disqualified because of past illegal substance abuse. My oh my...haven't we evolved?
As far as being in the service of a "protectee" ...one has to be willing to take a bullet. Which I'm sure those who guard our CIC are willing to do. It is after all the office of the Presidency they protect....not the man.
Duck....you're such a twerp and a stain in your own undies.
Oops....
Good thing for us you were never drafted...we reserved slots for heros. Not film critics that sniffed girls bicycle seats on the quad.
Net,we have a volunteer military. How many left wing people would volunteer these days? It's well known that conservatives are pro a strong defense, and a love of country which compels fighting for one's country.
Since most black people are liberals it stands to reason not that many would be among them, except men like
Allen West, who served with distinction btw, and is a conservative.
I don't see that race is the issue, I see that political position is and an anti war attitude is part of that.
Sue and Net...these secret service men give names; read the Amazon review and editorials.
Of course one has to wonder at their politics; The only reason I'd EVER publish anything like this here is because they gave their real names and because I've heard exactly this stuff many, many times from others in the business of hanging with the presidents for one reason or the other.
Net, people "lean GOP" when they love what the founding fathers initiated, believe wholly in the Constitution as it is, not a "changing document", and will fight for it to the death.....when they want to stay as far from Socialism as possible, when they admire people with more traditional values...that's just the way it is.
I've seen many black Secret Service men.
I think I just described a lot of soldiers.....
I had not heard Carter was THIS bad, but there you go.
Who didn't think Nixon was probably weird?
We all know Kennedy and Johnson were womanizers...and Clinton.
We know that the Bushes had seemingly happy marriages and we know Laura Bush was beloved.
I do know a Marine on her detail (after he got back from Iraq)...I don't know his politics but I'll tell you he said he'd never met a woman as gracious and lovely as she is.
Anyway, there it is.
I guess it's sort of like looking at the different people in the Tea Party gatherings and the OWS gatherings, now that I think of it. ?
by the way, IF a black Secret Service man said those things about Michelle Obama, I'd be very impressed, sad as I am that anybody had to say that (I always hoped the feeling I got from things she did and said wasn't probably true)..
anyway, if a black man said those things, I'd give him huge kudos. I'd respect the heck out of him for telling truth, not hiding it for any reason.
It's like when I saw someone recently on TV who asked "How do you think Muslims should act if they were profiled at airports?" And the responder stammered some political correct idiocy.
I'd have said "If they love this country and want to prove that Muslims aren't mostly to blame for all the terrorism in this country, I'd have thought they'd be the first to say SEARCH ME, I WANT YOU TO KNOW I AM MUSLIM AND DON"T MIND YOU CHECKING ME BECAUSE I'D WANT THE CRAZY MUSLIM CHECKED, TOO, IN CASE HE WAS PLANNING SOMETHING."
I really don't think Secret Service agents should be divulging private information about any President. Regardless of their character flaws and faults, the President should be assured that his security detail will keep what they see and hear confidential.
Having said that, though, it's interesting to learn that all the Democrats were total jerks and so were their spouses. I'm not surprised at all that Michelle Obama hates white people, it's so obvious. Strange... how does she reconcile her husband being half white?
Now, why am I not surprised about that information about the Obamas?
BTW, I knew a Secret Service agent who worked under Reagan and GHWB. When the Clintons took office, it wasn't long before this Secret Service agent took early retirement. He couldn't stand the goings on in the Clinton White House.
"Saint Ronnie Raygun was a gun loon? Never knew that."
So was George Washington. Your heros are just loons.
Bob, IN GEORGIA? Is that right? And you guys know him better even than we do from having been president...
I'll NEVER forget that book he wrote dissing Israel so badly...remember most of his Board of Directors LEFT when they saw how horrible his thoughts were on that subject? So blindly pro Palestinian and SO insulting to Israel? That threw even ME! :-) I really admired those people who left ..
Sue said: "aren't those guys supposed to keep that sh*t to themselves?"
Sue, I think it is called history.
This is the kind of background information historians need to evaluate the kind of person who has made some of the most important decisions in history. Now, we know a dishonest man who lives with a racist wife is making life affecting decisions for all of us. This is not comforting.
Jackie Kennedy recycling the wine----FUNNY!!!
The rest were pretty much as expected. Nice post Z.
net said:"I guess I'm saying it would be easier to believe a "self-critical" liberal SS person."
Careful, Net. The initials SS have come to mean some pretty ugly things.
Nice to know how you view the world. We all have our own lense on the cosmos, but there is nothing to say a liberal view is any more correct, or honest, than a conservative view.
Z gave you quotes from a book, and if you question the quotes, buy the book. Instead, you are all too eager to shoot the messenger when all you have is anectdotal.
Plus, I am curious about your statement, "I can hardly imagine a black secret service person saying all that about Michelle Obama."
Why is it that liberals tend to view statements by people through a racist lense? Do you really believe that black people are stupid, or incapable of independent thought? Your statement of surprise that a black person could defame the First Lady is a surprise to me.
Bob, you said "Your statement of surprise that a black person could defame the First Lady is a surprise to me."
I think it's more a matter of "WOULD" not "Could".
I believe a black man with integrity would definitely expose anything he found remarkable enough to comment on.
sad, isn't it.
Bob - I know that although these people start out honorably and pledge to take a bullet, etc. but in the end they all spill their guts sooner or later.
it's called selling out
Well, I did a little research of my own.
Factcheck.org claims that they contacted Ron Kessler, the author, and that he told them this:
http://www.factcheck.org/2011/06/secret-service-tattletales/
If this is true, this would obviously confirm my suspicions.
I don't know about you guys, but this makes me pause. I would think/hope it would have a similar effect on you.
If some of these "quotes" aren't even in the book, according to the AUTHOR, there's not a lot more we need to discuss in my opinion.
Now, in fairness, factcheck.org could be lying, too. But I haven't seen any information suggesting that. If you find something to the contrary, please let me know.
But as for now, I'm convinced this information is quite flawed and extremely misleading. Maybe not 100%, but significantly. And anybody who cares about truth, as I do, shouldn't have any problems with what I am saying.
Bob:
"Why is it that liberals tend to view statements by people through a racist lense?"
Well, (a), I don't think that's necessarily true, and (b) even if it were, I couldn't tell you why since I'm not a liberal. I guess you would have to ask one =)
"Do you really believe that black people are stupid or incapable of independent thought?"
lol
Umm, no, Bob. Do you? =)
For whatever it's worth, Bob, I'm black, and I'm quite independent and far from stupid; and frankly, all of my economic views lean way to the right, and that's been the case for almost 20 years.
But I'm also realistic. The worst criticisms of MLK don't typically come from African-Americans. Kinda like the way the worst criticisms of Israel don't typically come from Jews or the worst criticisms of illegal immigration don't typically come from Hispanics.
It doesn't make any of those groups bad. I'm just saying certain groups tend to behave a bit like family, usually for legitimate historical/political/social reasons.
Understanding that reality is not "racist" if you know the actual definition of the word.
Having said that, I agree with you in a sense. If we were talking about REAL evidence about a REALLY bad person or a REALLY bad situation, then of course, I would expect ANY person of integrity to speak truth no matter where the chips fell.
But I don't think that's what we have here.
Let me state for the record: If Michelle Obama is truly a racist @sshole who holds blanket contempt for non-blacks, let us spread the news and let her suffer the consequences. However, if such a claim is in fact b.s. -- which I suspect it is -- then we should be just as willing to state that as well.
I didn't say it was impossible, Bob. I just don't see the evidence. After all, she married a half-white man, which means she has more than a few in-laws were aren't black.
A true racist or racialist probably would have thought about that first before marrying someone of "another race".
"Your statement of surprise that a black person could defame the First Lady is a surprise to me."
Well, of course, I didn't say that. But nice try.
I was specifically responding to the suggestion that Michelle didn't respect anybody unless they were black. That just sounds ridiculous to me. And considering what I found out about Kessler and FactCheck.org, it probably is.
Plus, out of curiosity, I recently listened to a podcast of Kessler about his more recent FBI book, and to be blunt, he just doesn't sound like the type who would write that kind of stuff.
Again, if anybody can debunk FactCheck's claims about their interview with Kessler, I'm more than happy to listen. But I won't hold my breath.
"how does she reconcile her husband being half white?"
Ummmm...he's got BIG.....a BIG....errrrr...EARS?
"it's called selling out.."
Only a dodo who said they'd take a bullet for a worthless Misogynist...who's initials mean bowel movement ( BM ) could utter such an inanity.
net, thanks...sadly, I don't believe in much I read on FACT CHECK or, especially, SNOPE. But, I'm hoping this is true because it isn't very pretty to think those things about our presidents.
Sentences like this: "The book doesn't describe Gerald Ford as "a true gentleman," as the message claims. To be sure, agents are quoted calling Ford "a decent man."
Well, that's fine. They don't like "True gentleman" but have to admit to "a decent man". Anybody'd admit that's an odd feature to highlight when there are MANY more , MUCH MORE, important accusations in the book!!
I do believe many of the things because I've heard them from other sources.
I think there's some truth in everything I posted.
"We can't vouch for the accuracy of everything in Kessler's book, which sometimes relies on quotes from former agents who are not named"
I'd have thought they could check most of the accusations out, wouldn't you? if they're going to write about it?
I have also read that the former agents were definitely named and reviews have mentioned how odd it is that they'd use their names.
thanks!
None of this seems to be accusations, but rather opinions.
It doesn't really surprise me that most of the Presidents and officials opined about here were some shade of asshole. I believe that's a job qualifier.
How many of the Secret Service people interviewed would have hesistated to take a bullet for any of them?
Back in 2007, I met a lady who has an interesting job and interesting experiences to share as a result. Both her and her husband worked for the United States State department.
We had a short but interesting conversation.
She told me she and her husband have met often with President Bush and first lady Laura. She told me that President Bush and Laura are very good people with friendly, real personalities. She likes them. She also said she has numerous photos that she took herself of her own kids sitting on Laura's lap.
She also has met former President Bush and says he is also very nice and friendly.
Then she mentioned meeting Hillary Clinton.
She says, She "was not impressed" by Hillary. Hillary, according to the lady, is very rude, condescending, elitist, and interestingly enough, "always late". Apparently, punctuality is a very important trait to the lady.
Richard & Pat Nixon's daughter wrote a fairly lengthy book about her parents (although she focussed on her mother). She described her parents as having a "polite, delicate" relationship and described a lot of their exchanges as formal. But obviously it worked for them... they stayed married 51 years.
As to the comment that Nixon had a horrible relationship with his family, I would dispute that. He tried very hard to keep the strains and stresses of the presidency away from his family. In his first term, he had the Vietnam War, and in his short second term, Watergate. And when he was with his family, he tried to keep the presidency out of it. I'm sure the "horrible relationship" described by the Secret Service stems from the fact that Nixon kept them at a distance when he was at work.
But yeah, personality-wise, the guy was a little different... so what?
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