THIS is so rich in irony there is no more commentary needed.Unbelievable. By the way, had you ever even learned of the Armenian massacres by the Turks? I'm curious; many quite intelligent people I know have never heard of it.
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Muslims will apologize for killing other Muslims. Sometimes.
Before Duck quacks about my comment, yes, I do realize that not all Kurds are Muslims.
BTW, there is a political twist to Erdogan's apology:
...Erdogan has impeccable political instincts and clearly smells blood, issuing his Dersim apology at a time when the CHP appears to be floundering and, more relevantly, finds itself with an internal divide on how to deal with the issue of the Dersim massacres....
More at the above link.
Z - You know how it is these days -
you can do anything you want as long as you apologize - after.
I call it Apologizing for Dummies.
:)
I had heard of the WWI genocide, but not the 1930's massacres.
Obviously, I need to do a little studying!
When I heard that Iran has threatened to launch missiles at our "NATO ally" ::cough cough:: Turkey if Israel attacks their nuclear sites, I had to shrug off the urge to advocate giving Iran missile targeting technology as long as they can guarantee massive Turkish casualties.
Not that I despise Turks or anything.
...or old people, for that matter. You just want to goose step them out their homes and hospital beds to the Mexican border.
An internal political tactic...
Ah Beamish is showing his Christian side today.
FJ,
Take your immature sore loser left-wing bullshit somewhere else.
Go arm wrestle your daughter or something, puss.
Z,
I apologize for FJ's carrying a grudge against me. He gets worse with each consecutive loss.
Ah Beamish is showing his Christian side today.
This would be almost funny if not for the 1.5 million ethnic Turks in Iran that would assist the 7th largest military in the world (belonging to Turkey) if Iran's bluster ever escalated to your levels.
Just because you'd goose step America's seniors to the border like Kamal Attaturk did to the Greeks/Armenians doesn't make you any better than him, Beamish. In fact, you have a lot in common with him.
"Expel the elderly."
Catchy slogan, beamish!
1.5 million Armenian deaths is nothing compared to the "Beamish Plan to genocide America's elderly". He's already got 4 million 80+ year olds on his "Death List" with another 7 million 65+ year olds on deck for the euthanasia chamber.
Speedy G needs to get his facts straight.
AOW and SF....there is always a political twist.
The irony, however, remains.
Sue, good point. I think it's a real pitfall for a healthy society.
Brooke, at least you'd heard of the bigger one!
Beamish, I thought that was a really clever move of Iran. It REALLY jeopardizes a lot in the region and I wish Americans were hearing more of it. Ya, pit countries against each other so you can be protected. This Iranian regime is filth.
Ducky, you want to explain to us all what's Christian about Beamish?
We'll all hold our breaths in anticipation.
beamish, he's not losing.
I just had a call at 6:45 AM alerting me to your language here...
take this stuff to your place; it's enough already. thanks.
See what I mean, Z.
Lacking the means to rationality that is accessible to all non-leftists, FJ must resort to slander and libel.
Again, I apologize for the continued appearance of this loser on your blog.
take this stuff to your place; it's enough already.
Again, I apologize as much as I can for FJ's immature cyber-stalking me over his lost relevance.
Beamish, don't be ridiculous.
just stop.
OFF TOPIC:
Did you all hear CLinton flatter Newt for his stance on illegals?which was basically "They're here now, we can't do much about it"
Doug Schoen, Dem pollster and adviser to Clinton, says the White House can't wait to fight Newt and are afraid of Romney.
So, the big liberal (our media) push will be to build Newt up....attracting moderate Republicans to the primaries to vote for Newt. @#(*&@#(*&
Sidbirt, want to straight out Speedy? I think he's right.
Also, are you all hearing that Obamacare's 'help' to its 'members' only covers $5K of medical care a year??!. Is that true? ANybody know?
Ah, beamish, ever the victim. But what's to become of beamishes victims? The millions of elderly and disabled that he would deny SS and Medicare benefits to in the vain hope that "rich people" would undoubtedly contribute more to charity if the government simply dumped the care and welfare of 40 million Americans into their laps, tomorrow.
Great plan, beamish. You're the victim.
Beamish, don't be ridiculous.
just stop.
Again, I apologize for FJ's insisting on hijacking your blog to slander, berate, and insult me.
But hey, making crappy PowerPoint presentations to sell throwing scrap metal at Mars must have a lot of downtime.
Don't apologize, Kamal. It isn't working for the Turks. It ain't going to work for you. It's just.... sad.
Doug Schoen, Dem pollster and adviser to Clinton, says the White House can't wait to fight Newt and are afraid of Romney.
I'm sure that'll get the Teabaggers in Romney's corner, if they can stomach moving a little to the right of Herman Cain and Donald Trump.
For Newt's part, he agreed to let Obama bring his teleprompter to the debate.
Don't apologize, Kamal. It isn't working for the Turks. It ain't going to work for you. It's just.... sad.
Says the poor widdle leftist with a grudge who just won't quit crying.
Go change into your drag queen sock puppet, Denise.
I had never heard of this myself. Not that I'm remotely intelligent. Being fairly new here, I'm a little confused by the comment stream.
But beamish, if you were really concerned about your sock puppet's reputation being libelled, why don't you just let him recant your stated intention to genocide elderly Americans much as Attaturk genocided his socially undesirables? An apology long after the fact is NOT going to do.
In faith to the "fusion conservative" credo: "Socialize losses, Privatize Gains".
George, welcome to GeeeZ : just hang in there...our Comments pages are usually a little more civil than this.
You'd never heard that 1.5 Armenians were massacred by the Turks in the very early 1900's?
I don't think that means you're not intelligent; it just means it hasn't seemed important enough to American textbooks, I guess.
I never learned it in textbooks or heard about it in school, either, but my family was involved in it so I've been interested, though those involved were still too full of pain to lay it on us grandchildren and my parents didn't feel we should blame Turks today for the sins of their ancestors.
Seeing how Hrant Dick was killed and the new implications that the Turkish gov't was involved after all, I'm not so sure.
THough I had a lovely Turkish friend in Paris, and she can't be the only one!
But beamish, if you were really concerned about your sock puppet's reputation being libelled, why don't you just let him recant your stated intention to genocide elderly Americans
Because such "stated intention" occured only in your delusional mind, Denise.
In faith to the "fusion conservative" credo: "Socialize losses, Privatize Gains".
Says the repressed homosexual who believes seniors aren't getting enough out of their $15 Trillion debt.
Just stop, FJ, you're boring EVERYBODY.
Beamish, he's not boring me; quite the contrary.
What do you think should happen to elderly parents when they've had a stroke and are facing years of full time care that costs hundreds of thousands a year?
What do you think should happen to elderly parents when they've had a stroke and are facing years of full time care that costs hundreds of thousands a year?
What do you think should happen to people who've got a driver's license and want a $3.5 Million Bugatti Veyron?
Seriously, we should look at reducing medical costs. The primary generator of increased medical costs in America has been the rife-with-fraud Medicare system. Obamacare's going to make the Medicare national debt generators look like peanuts.
We should seek ways to increase the amount of money people have in their own hands to purchase health care. Reduce their tax burdens. Give their children tax deductions to claim them as dependents. Offer larger tax breaks to corporations and businesses that contribute to charity for the truly needy.
All sorts of ways to dismantle Denise's beloved socialist Ponzi schemes without real risk of injuring anyone.
Or, we can defend Obamacare to the last possible national credit rating reduction and scream bloody murder at real solutions like sissy boy Denise.
One's right, and the other... left.
Because such "stated intention" occured only in your delusional mind, Denise.
Is it? You proposed ending Medicare and Social Security and allowing private charities to take up the slack. Asked whether there should be a transition period to private charities, you stated that any such plan was a "whole bag of not my problem." Given that your plan would affect nearly 40 million Americans, 30% of whom rely on these benefits to provide in excess of 90+% of the daily sustenance, I believe that I could guarantee that millions of Americans would not likely survive the transition. Especially given the fact that the top 400 charities in the USA only dispense $68b in donations (and who knows what % of that are fund raising costs), and the current Social Security/Medicare system that you propose eliminating costs the American people $1.5 trillion in direct (SS) and indirect (Medicare) benefits.
Nice shopping bag of options, grandma killer. Why noy put some real numbers together and develop a plan?
Oh, wait, that's all just a "whole bag of not your problem."
Uncle Sam has his hands in your pocket. THAT simple fact, makes it your problem.
And until you do, you're an irresponsible grandma killer in my book, beamish.
Oh, and why don't you toss in a few cracks at the Tea Party for supporting the socialist "Ryan Plan" for good measure.
I see that Duck and I agree:
Realpolitik is driving the statement not regret.
Erdogan may be slimy, but he is an astute politician.
...after all, the Ryan Plan doesn't take us all the way to solvency tomorrow, as yours does. But at least with the Ryan Plan, +40 million seniors have a chance of living one heck of a lot longer.
Z asked:
What do you think should happen to elderly parents when they've had a stroke and are facing years of full time care that costs hundreds of thousands a year?
That's a very good question.
And as I know to my everlasting horror, it is not only the elderly who have strokes.
In fact, in addition to Mr. AOW, I personally know a 13-year-old who had a massive brain hemorrhage. He nearly maxxed out his parents' insurance policy to the point that nothing is left for the treatment of the next-oldest son in kidney failure; this boy in kidney failure is 14 year old. It's only a matter of time before the entire family is out on the street. I can't imagine that this family will be able to keep their house.
So, maybe the family has bad genes. Do we just look away and let them die?
This family has strong connections with a church. Nobody is stepping up to help.
Ducky, you want to explain to us all what's Christian about Beamish?
We'll all hold our breaths in anticipation.
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Beamish has often stood in judgement on who is Christian and who is not. Catholics are NOT.
He's in a pretty strange place that's tough to completely understand but the God of vengeance is his foundation.
Uncle Sam has his hands in your pocket. THAT simple fact, makes it your problem.
And over 20% of the dollars Uncle Sam takes out of my pocket for Medicare alone winds up subsidizing fraud, waste, and abuse. Another 10+% of those dollars goes towards government officials "administering" Medicare to that 20+% fraud. Now we're up to some 30+% of the "costs" of your beloved Ponzi scheme not even going to help anyone.
That's all fraud, waste, and abuse that wouldn't occur if Uncle Sam got out of the "providing welfare" business. Guess who gets a medical cost increase to cover that huge loss? Everybody.
And until you do, you're an irresponsible grandma killer in my book, beamish.
Try to color in the lines so Mommy will put that page from your book on the refridgerator, Denise.
Grow the f*ck up, loser.
Beamish has often stood in judgement on who is Christian and who is not. Catholics are NOT.
He's in a pretty strange place that's tough to completely understand but the God of vengeance is his foundation.
Catholicism is a polytheistic religion some 300 years younger than Christianity, with over 10,000+ allegedly omniscient, omnipresent, omnipotent "saints" believed to hear and intercede upon prayers offered to them.
I've not engaged in theological ramblings in quite some time, but I believe God disdains those who bear false witness. I take the "Haiti deserved an earthquake because of Voodoo" God-of-vengence crowd to task whenever they pop up.
What is this, "all leftists rally to smear Beamish" day?
Why don't you and your boyfriend Denise go circle jerk to a Slavoj Žižek seminar on snot wiping?
Z, I had heard of the Turk's genocide of Armenians, but I learned more about it from you, and what your family endured.
I admire your parent's approach, in teaching their children about this. It's difficult for descendants to put such a horror behind you, I know. It's never forgotten, and part of who you are, and your family history.
It's yet another case of, we should never forget. It should be discussed, to show how humankind can lose their moorings, and put aside all reason and become nothing more than hate filled animals, as the Turks did.
History does repeat itself, regardless of the lessons learned.
Beamish, I can't disagree with your ideas, I just think you're naive in the timing.
Ducky, the "God of Vengeance" should be every CHristian's foundation because the Bible shows PLENTY of vengeance and none of that vengeance is greater than the love He has for all of us........and the plans He has for us for eternal life.
Sometimes I wonder if you slam Calvinism and ANY non-Catholic Christian so badly because you don't quite understand that and haven't read the Scripture with enough good teachers?
Beamish, I can't disagree with your ideas, I just think you're naive in the timing.
Naive?! We still have around 5 years of the Baby Boomer cardinal doctrines of procrastination and sloth left before doing nothing about Social Security retirement and disability insolvency is economically lethal to America.
(Plenty of time for Demogogue Denise to have his fellow gay leftists film more absurd commercials about the elderly being pushed in their wheelchairs over cliffs to silence reformers and alarmists.)
Scare the seniors is all the pathetic leftists (i.e. FJ) ever had. It's a threadbare playbook by now.
...doing nothing about Social Security retirement and disability insolvency is economically lethal to America.
Trying to scare the fusion conservatives, beamish? When have I ever stated that I was for "doing nothing"? Evidently you have no problem with hyperbole, it's all a matter of WHO's doing the projecting. You stuff a scarecrow, while I quote him directly.
...eliminating Social Security retirement and disability insurance without a transition plan is MOST CERTAINLY lethal to America's seniors.
Is your middle name Kamal, beamish? You sure act like it is.
Speedy, that's what I always thought your stance is and I support it...
the God of vengeance is his foundation.
Well, I heard about the God of punishing in my Catholic upbringing. Not that much more positive.
@ beamish - I guess that the only way that you can get the last word on the subject at your blog is to disable comments.
Real mature, grandma killer.
When have I ever stated that I was for "doing nothing"?
That's a somewhat fair objection, Demogogue Denise.
But only somewhat. You want to sit back and do nothing while my generation and the next get soaked for more taxes to cover the retiring Baby Boomers' $126 TRILLION in unfunded Medicare mandates.
Is your middle name Kamal, beamish? You sure act like it is.
You should charge more than pocket change at the glory hole, sissy.
@ beamish - I guess that the only way that you can get the last word on the subject at your blog is to disable comments.
Oooh it burns you so, don't it faggot?
Sounds like you're in desperate need of a plan to avoid a catastrophe, beamish. Unfortunately, we're not going to let you kill grandma, so you better start working on something that can pass the small test of not including decomposing corpses.
Oooh it burns you so...
lol! You're right, my life is centered on exposing your stupidity in private, instead of publically.
And thanks for your support, Z.
Sounds like you're in desperate need of a plan to avoid a catastrophe, beamish.
Huh? You're the one fearing a dirt nap without a government teat in your mouth.
Whatsamatta, faggot? Afraid I don't give enough damn about your self-inflicted catastrophe?
I'm not your mother. Clean up your own mess.
Bwah-ha-ha-ha! Why should I worry, beamish. I've got seventy plus years of law and SS/Medicare payment precedents backing my retirement up. While you've got.... nothing.
Of course, a chance for you to save your own *ss and retirement is materializing, temporarily... but you won't embrace it because you're an ideologue. You keep holding out for a whole loaf when only half a loaf has been baked.
Ce'st la vie. You can lead a dumb "fusion conservative" to water, but he'd rather slit his own throat (if he can't have his grandma's).
With no apologies to the atheists here, but Oh My Lord.
I feel like I've just stepped back into a junior high school girl cat fight. Believe me guys, it looks childish when the teenage girls fight in the hallways, do you realize how it looks when you are doing the same thing online?
I've heard of it. Congress was going to officially recognize it until Turkey complained and like the pussified money whores we have become politically, we backed down.
beamish and FJ, by now you're insulting my blog and I'm not having it anymore.
You've really, really taken advantage of a pretty damned good friend, too. Please stop it.
Z,
Again, I apologize for Denise's need to stalk and harass me.
...and I apologize for beamish's pathological drive to demonize his betters.
Beamish, Speedy isn't stalking or harassing you.
Believe me, I know what that feels like.
Which is why Denise turned your thread on Turkish apologies over atrocities into an all-day parade of "grandma killer" nonsense?
And persuaded me to close comments on the two threads at my blog where he was doing the same?
Certainly feels like stalking to me.
His bell must be rung pretty loud, huh?
lol! Whose bell got rung?
Why do I suddenly feel like I've just watched a marathon of Real Housewives of Whatever County?
beamish, it's not nonsense at all; he's absolutely right.
When you can afford the approx $200K a year to help your grandmother who's suffered a debilitating stroke (God forbid), then let us know. We'll be really impressed that someone other than Bill Gates or Donald Trump or George Soros can afford that for their relative on his own.
beamish, by the way, I don't really care about what fighting and comment closures happen at your blog.
Well, as long as you don't mind being another leftist to bash as your blog, keep on with that "Beamish is a grandma killer" nonsense.
Hell, dedicate your blog to it.
Why do I suddenly feel like I've just watched a marathon of Real Housewives of Whatever County?
Probably because Denise has no life.
Or maybe it's the $1.5 Trillion in entitlement programs that Z thinks Uncle Sam spends exclusively on stroke patients.
Beamish, I've never known you to use such tactics; you're sounding like Ducky.
In the past, you've been wrong, you've been naive, you've been argumentative(which is fine), but you've rarely said silly stuff like "Z thinks Uncle Sam spends exclusively on stroke patients."
Because I use that as an example, I ONLY think Uncle Sam spends money on stroke victims? What's the matter with you lately?
Okay, Beamish...remind us again how your grandmother would make out with...let's call it Lou Gehrig's disease now, if that feels better to you.
She's in a home because she's far too sick to have at anybody's house and she has 24/7 nursing care, excellent doctors and nurses, and, with medications and tests, etc., it's running about $200K a year.
I think that's a pretty legitimate question.
I suppose my grandmother (who lives in one of her five homes and rents out the other four) would raise the rents she charges and throw multiple child families out on the streets, then sell the houses.
What, you were expecting someone like my grandmother who worked all her life for what she has to just kneel and beg for government handouts?
What's up with you leftists anyway, always wanting a disease you can't afford?
What if entitlements were instead NEEDS based, rather than quota based?
You know, spend the money only on people who need it?
Do we really have a need to spend $1.5 Trillion a year on entitlements with another $126 TRILLION in future commitments to "unfunded mandates?"
I mean sure, spending such keeps Denise's grandma alive so he can live online and make fart noises, but shouldn't the productive people footing the bill have a say?
I rest my case.
Geez: I found a way to save a ton a money per year.
I just cancelled cable and will get my entertainment from reading your commenters.
And do you find it interesting that with all this cat fighting FINALLY Ducky has decided to stay out of the fray?
Let me put it this way, since they insist on sniping at each other like the Kardashians (I'm making that up since I've NEVER watched the Kardashians), they are persuading no one. I have no clue what they are talking about and frankly, I could not care less.
Cat Fight, Cat Fight. I'm wondering who will come out with a fist full of someone else's hair.
Nobody should be harmed or killed anyone for their political gain.
Medicare America
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