Friday, July 16, 2010

IS it a "mental disorder?" :-)


I wouldn't call them RACIST, would YOU? (well, maybe Garofalo) I'd just say they're criticizing. Sort of like what the HUGE majority of Tea Partiers do, huh? Ya.

z

56 comments:

Mustang said...

Let us imagine for a moment that a group of people wanted to discredit anything and everything conservatives stood for: would they call into question the honesty of conservatives? Would they call anyone involved in the Tea Party movement a racist? Would they demean our heroes? This is exactly what is going on. They cannot really find fault with conservative logic, so they resort to pathetically outrageous claims hoping beyond hope that if they repeat these lies often enough and long enough, they’ll become the truth. Today, I heard Al Sharpton claim that Martin Luther King Jr., was a socialist; a man who very much supported the idea of wealth redistribution. His niece, Dr. Alveda King repudiates Sharpton and Julian Bond …

We are simply observing the progressive (communist) agenda at work … and yes, it is a mental disorder. Lenin had it, Stalin had it, Olbermann has it, Ducky has it … and the American people elected it to the White House.

Anonymous said...

"if they repeat these lies often enough and long enough, they’ll become the truth."


You are one astute Marine.
But...you forget who their audience is Mustang....dunces and parasites.

"For the sin of their mouth, and the words of their lips, let them be caught in their pride, for the curses and lies which they utter."
Psalm 59:12


Major

Z said...

Mustang, this call of RACISM is the cheapest thing coming from the Dems yet.
And, I think the RACISM charges are going to backfire (at least I hope so)....Of course, voter fraud might be their next attempt at shutting Conservatives out, unless (as I suspect), they're planning on an even bigger attack than RACISM by November's election day.
Americans know that the Tea Party people aren't racist...they see the occasional NUT and know that's not the norm.

I so applaud Dr Alveda King for repudiating the remarks about her uncle from black leaders.

Mustang said...

I didn't forget, Major ... I keep reminding myself (and others) the kinds of people who vote for these people.

Stop over and feel free to comment at any time.

Mustang said...

Exactly, Z ... where was the charge of racism when the Black Panther called for the murder of whitey? I guess we can't depend on the NAACP for intellectual honesty--but this is no surprise. Intellectual honesty isn't something communists can easily embrace.

Anonymous said...

"Stop over and feel free to comment at any time"

Mustang...it would an honor and privilege, sir.

Major

Ducky's here said...
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Anonymous said...

Here's how it's going AMERICA...as if yuo didn't know already. Worried? Pissed? Concerned? Or outraged? Well...here's a well put comment that describes the peril America...black, white, latino and...well whatever we have to face.

Please quit referring to
whites as the Majority…we are 7% of the world’s population now. 100 years
ago we were 30%. Here in the United States we have taken in 23 million non white immigrants since 2000. 11 million of those people are now on welfare of some kind..largely paid for by white people. We have the seeds of our own demographic destruction amidst us. And its not just numbers. Its the quality of the people, we are taking in cultures with a profound historical and cultural hatred of white Europeans. This is a fact that is born out on the headlines of the newspapers. Tomorrow morning you can read about the Somali suicide bomber
in Minneapolis, or the Lebanses cab driver’s scheme to blow up the Statue of Liberty, or the Jamaican Drug Lord in rural Alabama, or the Muslim Jihadist network in Michigan.

Beyond legal immigration the Left is now demanding for us to open the door to 30 million illegals who for the most part will also be added to the welfare rolls..and the burden on the white taxpayers. Most certainly they will be added to the voter rolls and pass laws to destroy whats left of our culture. We may vote to put up a border fence now,but in 10 years they will vote to take it down.

We have lost entire cities, entire states to this invasion and any attempt to stop it brings your screams of “intolerance”. This is how the Left works..it hijacks American values, things like “tolerance” and drives them to an insane extreme as a means to destroy America. And thats what is happening to America now..it is literally being driven insane.
We have very little left ..there are 23 failed Latin American states in the
Western Hemisphere and mass immigration seeks to extend that to include the USA.
Again its we, the White Europeans, that are the minority.

We are spit on as racists and supremacists..but eveyone comes to us with their hands out, and eager
to do anything they can to take our place.
We ask that you leave us alone.

In the Big Picture we are a small group ..180 million white Americans facing 1 billion latins whose 500 years of cultural failure has brought them to their present
state of affairs. And beyond Latin America is the tidal wave of Africans, Indians, Muslims waiting to overwhelm us. Please just leave us alone.


Major

Anonymous said...

First Part:

Here's how it's going AMERICA...as if you didn't know already. Worried? Pissed? Concerned? Or outraged? Well...here's a well put comment that describes the peril America...black, white, latino and...well whatever we have to face.

Please quit referring to
whites as the Majority…we are 7% of the world’s population now. 100 years
ago we were 30%. Here in the United States we have taken in 23 million non white immigrants since 2000. 11 million of those people are now on welfare of some kind..largely paid for by white people. We have the seeds of our own demographic destruction amidst us. And its not just numbers. Its the quality of the people, we are taking in cultures with a profound historical and cultural hatred of white Europeans. This is a fact that is born out on the headlines of the newspapers. Tomorrow morning you can read about the Somali suicide bomber
in Minneapolis, or the Lebanses cab driver’s scheme to blow up the Statue of Liberty, or the Jamaican Drug Lord in rural Alabama, or the Muslim Jihadist network in Michigan.

Beyond legal immigration the Left is now demanding for us to open the door to 30 million illegals who for the most part will also be added to the welfare rolls..and the burden on the white taxpayers. Most certainly they will be added to the voter rolls and pass laws to destroy whats left of our culture. We may vote to put up a border fence now, but in 10 years they will vote to take it down.


Major

Anonymous said...

Last Part"

"We have lost entire cities, entire states to this invasion and any attempt to stop it brings your screams of “intolerance”. This is how the Left works..it hijacks American values, things like “tolerance” and drives them to an insane extreme as a means to destroy America. And thats what is happening to America now..it is literally being driven insane.
We have very little left ..there are 23 failed Latin American states in the
Western Hemisphere and mass immigration seeks to extend that to include the USA.
Again its we, the White Europeans, that are the minority.

We are spit on as racists and supremacists..but eveyone comes to us with their hands out, and eager
to do anything they can to take our place.
We ask that you leave us alone.




Major

Anonymous said...

I watch some of these goofs on MSNBC and as far as I can tell they may be trying to stir the pot to make race a central issue, but as far as being racist, not really. They may use racism to advance their "progressive" agenda — to instigate a race war in which there will be no winner except the ultimate imposing of a more all encompassing state power and tyranny. That is where they want this to go — where the state will impose martial law and they will ultimately have their heart's desire.

I look at MSNBC as the tool of the Democratic party — the American version of Pravda. It is used specifically to advance the party line. Just listen to those in this montage.

Watch a program like "Morning Joe" which seems to be the voice of the Council on Foreign Relations. It's especially interesting when they have as guests almost on a daily basis, people from that snake pit. But it's more interesting when "Zbig Daddy" pays a visit — that would be Mika's daddy Herr Doktor, Doctor Zbigniew Brzezinski. Just today that esteemed "gentleman" was calling for more troops to be sent to the Middle East war zone, tossing out the number one million, to be filled by draftees from the "middle class". Zbig didn't say how many wars he has enlisted to fight in himself — but I'm guessing it is somewhere around zero. One of the benefits of being a "Polish Prince" who has the ear of the President, I suppose.

Waylon

FrogBurger said...

You know what it highlights the most: the puerile intellectual foundation of the left. They don't know what they want, they really don't know what their principles are, they switch side when things turn out bad, etc...

Only the extreme left sticks to its guns. But those are dangerous.

The Olberman and Co only want to feel good about themselves, and generous, and loved. So they jump ship pretty quickly.

Ducky's here said...

watch it Waylon, down there in Texas or Oklahoma or wherever, start dumping on the Slavic brothers and I'm going to have to come out of my bag.

Opus #6 said...

I see the Tea Party growing stronger and the Libs growing weaker. Polls prove it.

That's gotta drive them batty.

Anonymous said...

watch it Waylon, down there in Texas or Oklahoma or wherever, start dumping on the Slavic brothers and I'm going to have to come out of my bag.

Z, first, my apologies to Waylon for responding to the squeek or screech of your resident lib.

Duck, people in Texas don't have a lot of use for ideas like yours. We live our lives honestly, with respect for each other. Part of that respect comes from the recognition of the qualities exhibited by a real man or woman, as opposed to the tantrums and dishonesty of a child.

We have a history of standing up for the things in which we believe. You may say that the battle of the Alamo was 174 years ago, but I will remind you that we are taught history in Texas. If volunteers were needed to hold back a similar foreign excursion today, they would be there lining up to risk their lives to defend their families and their homes.

Mr. Duck, if I may assume the gender is correct, you have no honor. Your behavior is not appropriate for a civil gathering like Z's blog. I admire her patience and yes, her Christian tolerance for putting up with you.

I assume your threat of 'coming out of your bag' is a fearsome one, and if I have time tomorrow in my real life, I will contemplate how bad such a thing may seem to you progressives. However, I doubt that even a child of Texas would be inclined to be intimidated by your words ...

And Z, yes I believe there is a mental disorder involved. Otherwise I'd have to decide whether socialists are stupid, or criminal, or perhaps both?

A good evening to you all, from a Texan in Honduras,

~ Will

Z said...

Opus, you have a point. By the way, what DO we know about TP numbers? Probably, it doesn't matter as long as Americans are seeing the movement, understanding and appreciating its messages and the truth about our government..and VOTE accordingly.

Will, well said. Criminal, stupid..I'm not sure which, but it's STUPID to follow Eastern Europe, Germany and Russia's failed examples NOW as they cut loose from socialism and it's CRIMINAL to even contemplate bringing that failed socialism to this great country.

Trestin said...

Great find. I'm going to put this in my side bar with a hat tip to you.

Ducky's here said...

I get censored and Mr. "We're only 7% white" prattles on? Doesn't seem fair, z.

You're board s getting a little close to white supremacism these days.

beamish said...

Allow me to take a slightly different tact than Mustang.

Let us imagine for a moment that leftists were actually capable of rational thought.

Would they sound like they do now?

No, ladies and gentlemen, they would not.

LASunsett said...

//I wouldn't call them RACIST, would YOU? //

No, they are hypocrites.

They are other things too, but in this instance they are showing that they meet the diagnostic criteria of that specific mental disorder.

Self Sufficient said...

I will give GW Bush about 2% of the blame for the mess we are now in.. About 80 percent of the Freddie, Fannie, fiasco blame goes to Barney Frank, Chris Dodd & The Community Organizer gets about 20% of that.

As for Katrina... 100% of the blame for that one goes to Blanco and Naygin for not allowing FEMA to step in sooner. IMHO.
But for alluding back to Bush to lay the blame is pure nuts or should I say an Obama apologist.
And another thing Joe, you know and all of us know that blaming others is the lowest and the final state of ones ability to deal with a problem, just because they simply cannot or not able to handle issues. Therefore I couldn't care less what or who they blame. They are just too stupid to even answer, let alone argue with.
It is far easier to point fingers at an outgoing President who had to deal with several traumatic events which impacted the nation than to stop and review the trail of facts. Then to put the real blame where it belongs. Obama asked for this job and now that he has it, he is going to have to man up to it and deal with it.
Common sense rules here, or it ought to. The real question is, do liberals have any common sense? Why must we remind them time after time of this failure we have sitting in the white house? Or should I have said, on vacation!
Obama is the accidental president who obtained power largely because of a fluke crisis and an incompetent opponent. The young who voted for him didn’t care about competence or even understand what it means, and the very intelligent who did support him..
Isn’t it interesting that so many liberal pundits are already writing Obama’s presidency off even though he’s got another 2 1/2 years to go in this term and presumably is going to run for another one. They seem to be accepting that he’s a failure and all that’s left now is for them to scratch their heads mournfully and cry. But apologists will continue to blame Bush and let this failure in the white house off the hook.
It’s the failure of Barack Obama’s miserable presidency, which has polluted the American Dream much the same way BP oil has polluted the Gulf of Mexico. I believe George W Bush would have been able to lead us out of this mess…Obama can and will not.

His agenda is Marxism and big central government control. He is using this economy as a way to destroy capitalism and free markets.
We the people with a good leader can and will rise to the occasion and fix the problem.
First we must get Obama and everyone associated with him out and away from power. I believe George W Bush would have been able to lead us out of this mess…Obama can and will not. The next and final step is we need to take the power away from the elites so they can never do this to us again…

Z said...

Self Suff: excellent comments. I think this new bill with nothing addressing Freddie and Fannie is a very good indication that this gov't doesn't really want to fix things, it just wants to impede our financial success and make sure people with money lose..

Ducky. The answer is yes.
and stop with the ridiculous supremacism stuff. People know my site and so do you. I'd have deleted this one, too, but people sometimes really have to see what you claim.

Trestin, glad you liked it. My commenter IMpertinent found it and sent it to me. I call my buddies who help my blog " my cub reporters!" :=)

Mustang said...

If anyone is a supremacist, it is Ducky. And this would seem to be the proof Professor Beamish is correct in his contention that Ducky is incapable of rational thought. One sign of utter stupidity is that individuals continue to abandon themselves to failure; one would think that after several years of self-inflicted wounds, Ducky would actually begin to think about what he is about to write before putting pen to paper.

Anonymous said...

So is race used as a proxy for culture? I don't lament a declining white population, but what I do find lamentable is a declining population of people who hold a Christian world view and support rule of law, representative governement, etc. Obviously race and culture are not random.

Was the point of the video that if you want to make Keith Olberman look sane, your best bet is to stand him up next to Garofalo?

tio

Z said...

tio, that point and how WE are considered RACISTS for criticizing THE ONE and they're .... not? :-)

I lament the same thing, trust me.

Gone for the (LA time) morning...see you all later...

Karen Howes said...

Z, dontcha know that only conservatives can be racist? Those who once got a "tingle up his leg" from listening to Obama's voice are not.

And Will, you rock.

beamish said...
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beamish said...

If anyone is a supremacist, it is Ducky. And this would seem to be the proof Professor Beamish is correct in his contention that Ducky is incapable of rational thought. One sign of utter stupidity is that individuals continue to abandon themselves to failure; one would think that after several years of self-inflicted wounds, Ducky would actually begin to think about what he is about to write before putting pen to paper.

Indeed. Stripped of the anti-Semitism, racism, and misogyny required to possess credentials as a leftist, Ducky would simply be a blithering idiot. As such, he's just a blithering idiot with a misguided albeit zealous purpose. It has just become politically uncomfortable for Ducky to wear the Hakenkreuz armband of his fellow socialists in public.

Craig and Heather said...

The skinheads around here wouldn't qualify as "liberal", conservative or even libertarian.

I think "anarchist" would be a more appropriate term in their case.

H

Anonymous said...

"You're board s getting a little close to white supremacism these days."

Ducky, you're so predictable. We expect these talking points from you. We KNOW this is the latest tactic from the left, the NAACP, to the msm, and finally, way down at the bottom of the well, where the useful idiots dwell, you.

I must say, you certainly are obedient to your masters. It would be a nice change to see if you are capable of original thought.

Pris

beamish said...

The skinheads around here wouldn't qualify as "liberal", conservative or even libertarian.

If they subscribe to Adolf Hitler's brand of national socialism, they are left-wing (all forms of socialism are left-wing).

Anti-Semitism was such a part of the politics and philosophies of renowned leftists Karl Marx, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, and Mikhail Bakunin that it is virtual absurdity of the highest order to assume an anti-Semite is right-wing.

Hitler's left-wing labor movement was just a another violent, disatrous stab at trying to perfect the flawed ideology of socialism.

I think "anarchist" would be a more appropriate term in their case.

Emma Goldman, Mikhail Bakunin... we're still not out of the left-wing's founding principle of anti-Semitism.

Craig and Heather said...

If they subscribe to Adolf Hitler's brand of national socialism, they are left-wing (all forms of socialism are left-wing).

I think some of them believe they're of the "lost tribes of Israel". But there may be more than one group.

I haven't taken a comprehensive survey, yet. :D

Z said...

Karen, doesn't WILL ROCK? right!

Heather, ANARCHIST is right...well said.

Pris, EXACTLY! How'd that escape me? Ducky's calling any of my readers that goes right along with the lib memo "blast those people as racist!" oh, so true, P.

beamish...why do you think leftists are so anti-semitic? I used to think it was that goofy UNDERDOG IS ALWAYS RIGHT stuff we get from lefties..."the POOOOR Palestinians...they have nothing...they had their land stolen...those Israelis have so much, Zionism is so terrible for the world..yadda yadda yadda..."
But, I'm thinking it's more than that.
I didn't excuse it then but it's even MORE inexcusable now...except I'm not quite sure what this IS...why it is.

beamish said...

If they subscribe to Adolf Hitler's brand of national socialism, they are left-wing (all forms of socialism are left-wing).

I think some of them believe they're of the "lost tribes of Israel". But there may be more than one group.

British-Israelism. A sick form of anti-Semitism that posits that they are not anti-Semitic because they are Jews and the people who's identity they are attempting to steal are not Jews.

Also could be related to the "Christian Identity" white supremacist movement(s) that theologically / organizationally descend from Joseph Smith and Brigham Young's "Tribe of Dan" thugs during the Missouri period of Mormonism's journey westward to Utah.

beamish...why do you think leftists are so anti-semitic? I used to think it was that goofy UNDERDOG IS ALWAYS RIGHT stuff we get from lefties..."the POOOOR Palestinians...they have nothing...they had their land stolen...those Israelis have so much, Zionism is so terrible for the world..yadda yadda yadda..."

Karl Marx equated the religion of Judaism with capitalism itself ("The God of Judaism is Mammon / Money") in his wet dream essay entitled "World Without Jews," his response to Bruno Bauer's anti-Semitic "Jewish Question" (which left-winger Hitler also proposed a final solution to).

Marx and Hitler wished to destroy capitalism. By equating Jews with the concept of capitalism, they had a physical target to attack.

Most anti-Semitic leftists don't have a reason that boils down past that.

No, it doesn't have a whit of rationality to it whatsoever, but we are afterall talking about leftists.

Craig and Heather said...

British-Israelism

Yep. That would be them.

A couple counties over, I think there's a different group. Probably the Christian identity thing.

I remember a couple years back, the WS in the other county wanted to be represented in (I think) the 4th of July parade. Don't recall whatever became of it, but there was a huge protest that resulted from their request for a permit.

Karl Marx equated the religion of Judaism with capitalism itself ("The God of Judaism is Mammon / Money")

I've seen some of that kind of literature floating around. There are some "Christian separatists" who use that kind of logic.

Somewhere I read that there's actually an Islamic connection to the anti-Semitic thread in Nazism.

Z said...

Heather, apparently that NAZI/Islamic anti-semite thing is true; at least I've read enough on it to think there's enough smoke to be some fire.

I know Beamish will know...(right, B?!)

Also, nobody can be sure, but a story circulates that Goebbels was said to have said "They killed Armenians and nobody noticed..." giving the NAZIs the 'okay' to try it on the Jews.

Craig and Heather said...

Heather, apparently that NAZI/Islamic anti-semite thing is true; at least I've read enough on it to think there's enough smoke to be some fire.

I think it's in a book we have, somewhere. Maybe if Beamish doesn't come back, I'll have to go dig around.

A connection shouldn't be surprising, though, considering the demonic influence in both.

What makes them both so toxic is that people can get dragged in with harmless sounding propaganda.

Craig and Heather said...

Guess I should finish my thought.

What makes them both so toxic is that people can get dragged in with harmless sounding propaganda at a surface level. The deeper you get, the more evil is there--but unless a person is spiritually discerning, he often cannot see beyond the initial image he's been given.

It slowly poisons the soul and even godly people can fall prey to temporary deception when we aren't seeking Christ first.

Z said...

It's more than in one book...there have been recent attempts at showing connections, too.......
And, of course, you're right about demons; they're both demonic enough to coexist or influence each other!

Anonymous said...

I think Hitler also considered communism the religion of the Jews. He also considered it to be not much of a religion since it didn't claim an afterlife.

tio

Z said...

well, tio, there are still people who think Hitler was a Christian!

I think he did think Communism was the religion of the Jews..I think some people still do

Mustang said...

I'm still trying to figure out why communism is popular among so many Jews. If it is the so-called social justice claptrap, then all I can say is that these people must not be very smart. When has social justice ever been attained except at the expense of some other segment of society? And, if we take away from one, then who decides who we take away from next? In any case where the answer is government, then we have begun a perilous journey.

Anonymous said...

Z,you think there's a bit of willful ignorance that goes into believing Hitler to be a Christian? Either willful ignorance on the part of those who believe it or on those who spread it.

Several years ago I read Ian Kershaw's The Hitler Myth. He described how Hitler was seen as the savior of the German people. According to Kershaw, the first chinks in Hitler's armor of infallibility was when he had crusifixes removed from schools and replaced Christmas holiday with a winter solstace holiday. I thought "Wait a minute. That sounds more like Madeline Murray O'Hare than Jerry Fallwell."

That is not to say Hitler had no regard for Jesus' crucifixion. Apparently he was on a quest to recover the spear that was used to pierce Jesus' side. Supposedly it had magical powers.

tio

Anonymous said...

Mustang,
I can't speak for the Jews, but as mentioned above, at least some Jews do not believe in an afterlife. C.S. Lewis talked about how a person may live 80 years on earth. Civilizations may last hundreds of years. If this is the extent of things, the individual seems temporary and transient from this perspective.

Christianity teaches of the eternal soul. From this perspective, it is civilizations that seem transient.

Perhaps without the perspective of eternal life, establishing heaven on earth becomes the most noble goal.

tio

beamish said...

In solidarity with the anti-Semitic left-wing labor movement of Hitler and his national socialists (forgive my redundancies), on March 21, 1935, Reza Shah Pahlavi of Persia asked the international community to call his country "Iran," which means "Land of Aryans." "Aryan" in Sanskit simply means "enlightened" or "civilized," which in turn appeals to the hubris of progressive leftist eugenics advocates of early 20th Century Europe. You see the same thing as when today's leftists view their opponents as backwards. They're always the "progressives" who know what's best for every else on the business end of their Zyklon-B chambers and AK-47s.

The Hakenkreuz, the "hooked cross" swastika of Hitler's left-wing labor movement was printed on Tsarist Russian currency before the communist revolution, and of course the Romanov tsars were descended from German royalty. And of course the swastika does originate in Sanskit iconography.

It's just post World War I socialism. National socialism vs. international socialism. A purely left-wing sibling rivalry across nationalist lines, gone sour when Russians killed the descendants of German royalty in Russia. Stalin called World War 2 the "Second Patriotic War." The first one was not World War I, but rather the Russian Patriotic War of 1812, fought by the Romanov Russian Empire against invasion by Napoleon Bonaparte, proto-fascist and product of the left-wing French Revolution and Robespierre, justifier of terrorism.

The history of all hitherto existing societies is the history of leftists going apeshit and killing people.

beamish said...

Long story short, Hitler's religion was socialism.

Craig and Heather said...

Thanks for the history lesson, Beamish!

Interesting stuff, to be sure.





Only one thing I'd alter slightly:

Hitler's religion was socialism.

Hitler's form of socialism is only a modern manifestation of the ancient rebellion that is rooted in the satanic deception that man can be god for himself.

With the exception of Biblical Christianity, all of the "other" world religions follow the "I can/must do it myself" pattern to some extent.

Almighty man centerpieced as his own savior is a hallmark of every false religion. Regardless of the diversity or "beauty" of the window dressing, if you can strip a belief system down to that core, it must be rejected as inherently flawed.






Much appreciate your taking the time to share what you know :)

H

beamish said...

Hitler's form of socialism is only a modern manifestation of the ancient rebellion that is rooted in the satanic deception that man can be god for himself.

Why is this necessarily satanic deception over self-deception?

With the exception of Biblical Christianity, all of the "other" world religions follow the "I can/must do it myself" pattern to some extent.

We could have a round robin of theology discussions on that topic alone.

Almighty man centerpieced as his own savior is a hallmark of every false religion. Regardless of the diversity or "beauty" of the window dressing, if you can strip a belief system down to that core, it must be rejected as inherently flawed.

Interesting way of putting that, given Christianity spread via Apostles apparently performing miracles in Jesus' name.

Craig and Heather said...

Why is this necessarily satanic deception over self-deception?

I'm not saying there is no human responsibility involved. Self-deception is always a possibility. Just noting that, according to the Genesis account, the original temptation was that man could be his own god. And the inspiration for that thought came from "the serpent".

Interestingly, it appears that Eve was deceived by Satan--but Adam wasn't. So, I suppose a person could argue either direction on that point.

We could have a round robin of theology discussions on that topic alone.

We could. Probably not here, though, as Z's not running a theoblog.

Interesting way of putting that, given Christianity spread via Apostles apparently performing miracles in Jesus' name.

Not catching your connection there. The apostles' miracles were verification of the authenticity of their profession that Jesus is the Christ. It wasn't meant to be a detraction from the message that Jesus alone saves.



Could you please inform me if you become annoyed with my commentary? I need to record the number of exchanges under the "how long it takes guys who love their cute puppies" category--so I can avoid crossing the line in future.

Thanks,
H

beamish said...

Interestingly, it appears that Eve was deceived by Satan--but Adam wasn't. So, I suppose a person could argue either direction on that point.

The serpent asked "Did God really say..." and the only answer she could give conformed to what Adam had told her God had said, as she wasn't around to hear otherwise. "Do not eat the fruit" became "do not touch the fruit." Eve was decieved by Adam's addition to God's words...

Almighty man centerpieced as his own savior is a hallmark of every false religion. Regardless of the diversity or "beauty" of the window dressing, if you can strip a belief system down to that core, it must be rejected as inherently flawed.


Interesting way of putting that, given Christianity spread via Apostles apparently performing miracles in Jesus' name.

Not catching your connection there. The apostles' miracles were verification of the authenticity of their profession that Jesus is the Christ. It wasn't meant to be a detraction from the message that Jesus alone saves.

It's the same thing Jesus encountered when He performed miracles and forgiving men of their sins, and the crowds took up stones to stone Him for blasphemy on their theology that only God could forgive sins.

Jesus was quite clear about having a God / Father over Him, rather up-playing His own humanity, yet empowered by God and the same power given to His apostles in their evangelistic works.

I found your words "interesting" in the phraseology of being the same thing I would say, only different words. We are in agreement on the difference between Christianity and other theologies.

Could you please inform me if you become annoyed with my commentary? I need to record the number of exchanges under the "how long it takes guys who love their cute puppies" category--so I can avoid crossing the line in future.

LOL! You have not annoyed me whatsoever (yet, anyway, LOL). As long as you don't advocate an interpretation of Christian theology that can't be defended Biblically, we'll probably get along just swell. By that I usually mean interpretations that claim Christianity supports socialism or repeals the Old Testament. Noahide law still applies to Gentiles, for example.

Craig and Heather said...

The serpent asked "Did God really say..." and the only answer she could give conformed to what Adam had told her God had said, as she wasn't around to hear otherwise. "Do not eat the fruit" became "do not touch the fruit." Eve was deceived by Adam's addition to God's words...

I've noted the mis-communication there and I believe that it supports the concept that Adam was created not "perfect" but simply "innocent" of having disobeyed the one instruction he'd been given. Interesting that God apparently overlooked the error and I'm not sure we could say he was intentionally misleading her.

Eve was misinformed by Adam. On the other hand, she still made her final decision to eat based on "You will not surely die..." and the offering of "You will be like God". The serpent implied that a measure of autonomy could be attained by humans rather than they remain in continued dependence upon God's provision.

And her husband apparently stood right there and waited to see what would happen before joining the fun (what a guy, huh?)

There is an amazing amount of symbolism involved in the Genesis account.

I found your words "interesting" in the phraseology of being the same thing I would say, only different words. We are in agreement on the difference between Christianity and other theologies.

Ah. Now I see. Have to check for misunderstanding sometimes as I don't always communicate my thoughts as well as I think I do.

LOL! You have not annoyed me whatsoever (yet, anyway, LOL).

Okay then.

You definitely rank higher than "Misogynistic atheist commenter on anti-feminist site", so I'll give you extra credit for your level of tolerance of my ramblings

;)

beamish said...

I'm not crass enough to be misogynist or lacking in intellect enough to be atheist, but I will make sure masculinists get their due for inventing the dishwashers, microwaves, and washing machines that have made feminism possible.

::ducking and running::

Just kidding. I'm a good sport, usually.

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Craig and Heather said...

I will make sure masculinists get their due for inventing the dishwashers, microwaves, and washing machines that have made feminism possible.

::ducking and running::





Tsh. You forgot to mention shoes.

Women are supposed to have evolved to be able to labor unceasingly at such tasks while barefoot and perpetually pregnant, dontcha know.


:P




Just kidding. I'm a good sport, usually.

Glad to hear it.

beamish said...

Dishwashers, microwaves, washing machines, shoes, and condoms. All these things man has invented for women and what do we get?

Burnt fish sticks and complaints when we come home drunk.

Women are just too darned hard to please.

;)

MK said...

Definitely a mental disorder on the leftist part, liberals are fortunate breathing is involuntary, otherwise they'd be long dead by now.