Yup. I'd have voted for my dentist against Obama. I have to admit it. I value so little of what Obama values that I had to vote for anybody I knew could beat Obama (not Baldwin, not Paul, not people who have no chance. I had to do SOMETHING against Obama and FOR AMERICA.) But, there were things I hadn't liked about McCain, and I didn't really know what he felt on several subjects, I have to admit. I was voting for him, but really against Obama.
NOW? After watching the Rick Warren 2 hours? I am VOTING FOR (I said FOR) McCain.
I am voting for McCain because I LOVED NEARLY EVERY SINGLE THING HE SAID TONIGHT! Yes, faith-based assistance in New Orleans beats (and STILL is) those FEMA buses all lined up with nobody in them HANDS down...yes, I believe life begins at conception (what is it if it isn't life, an Amana refrigerator?)..yes, I believe that parents out to have a choice about their child's schooling!..yes, I believe we MUST beat "radical extremists", YES I believe our kids need inspiration to love America again...and yes, I don't believe you need money to be rich and I don't believe in 'redistribution'. Etc.
I had calls from friends earlier tonight, during Obama's hour, saying "I can't believe he's going to beat Obama..Obama's so glib, so smooth."
These same callers (including Mom of Armenian hamburger fame!) called during McCain's first commercial and said "I can't BELIEVE this guy. I've never seen THIS SIDE of MCCAIN." A friend called and said her mother, an Irish Catholic dyed-in-the-wool Democrat called and basically said "Okay....I get it. I'm voting for McCain!"
I'm voting McCain. FOR him, not just against Obama. I am SO happy I got a little teary!
z
NOW? After watching the Rick Warren 2 hours? I am VOTING FOR (I said FOR) McCain.
I am voting for McCain because I LOVED NEARLY EVERY SINGLE THING HE SAID TONIGHT! Yes, faith-based assistance in New Orleans beats (and STILL is) those FEMA buses all lined up with nobody in them HANDS down...yes, I believe life begins at conception (what is it if it isn't life, an Amana refrigerator?)..yes, I believe that parents out to have a choice about their child's schooling!..yes, I believe we MUST beat "radical extremists", YES I believe our kids need inspiration to love America again...and yes, I don't believe you need money to be rich and I don't believe in 'redistribution'. Etc.
I had calls from friends earlier tonight, during Obama's hour, saying "I can't believe he's going to beat Obama..Obama's so glib, so smooth."
These same callers (including Mom of Armenian hamburger fame!) called during McCain's first commercial and said "I can't BELIEVE this guy. I've never seen THIS SIDE of MCCAIN." A friend called and said her mother, an Irish Catholic dyed-in-the-wool Democrat called and basically said "Okay....I get it. I'm voting for McCain!"
I'm voting McCain. FOR him, not just against Obama. I am SO happy I got a little teary!
z
70 comments:
Yay!!!
That's the happy Z that I wanna see more often!
I've been trying to tell ya....
It's gonna be gooooood, Z.
Good, I say.
And you know Z, it is because McCain went and pulled a Reagan on you..yes, he did.
John touched your heart and love of country and pride and all the good that is America .
Any numbskull can get up on a soapbox and lecture or knock something.
But John McCain has actually walked through the fire and come out on the other side.
He has probably seen the worst there is to see, Z , and still stood up to continue serving the country.
John McCain was there when it counted, Z, and we KNOW, if terrorists come a knocking again, he will be right there..no fumbling around at 3 am wanting and waiting for a focus study or poll taking .
Sometimes we need someone who HAS been there and done that.
WVDOTTR
Pinkster, this comment is a good lesson for me; I've become VERY dark and angry over what we see in America these days...you didn't say it, but it's been there..and that isn't who I am.
Thanks for the reminder!
I swear I cried thru most of McCain..just to hear someone say NON PC stuff like that touched me so deeply. I am one happy girl!
WV..great comment. Thanks...I'm very, very touched by what I saw tonight.
Actually, I'm stunned. He sure has walked through the fire.
That story about Viet Nam and the cross about did me in!!
There you go.
And you know this man will not turn tail and run .
Like it says on the website for John McCain:
Country first.
Not pandering to some group, not telling me what he will pay me to vote.
WVDOTTR
Even I was impressed (against my fears), and I can't even vote. Obama was even not really slick - he was empty (because he didn't have the teleprompter). An additional observation: If you don't have anything to say, you talk more (I have seen that all my life). This is why McCain had time to answer additional questions. That says it all.
Also, while I was skeptical about the format - I think that was a winner.
Boy, we almost ran out of Kleenex.
Mr.Z
Ideally there is not much difference between McCain and Rudy.I am from the Rudy wing so the transition was easier.
Excuse my absence it has been a long stretch at the office.
Beak..it's SO good to see you here. Thanks for coming by. AND STOP WORKING SO HARD!
Mr. Z....yup!
I told you so!!! I put together a whole four part series and you didn't believe me that we should be honored to get to vote McCain? Glad to see you come to the light!!!
lets hope the conservatives keep it goin in that direction Z!!
Pops! I told you more people ought to have read your series... it was fantastic! And yes, I did see your good points, but I still felt discouraged. Tonight, I saw vigor, I saw a clear and resolute mind, and a REAL AMERICA FIRST spirit.
I sure have NEVER got that from ol' limpid-eyed Obama. Never. It was ALL about him. again.
Hi, Angel! You're right...many days till election day! (darn!)
The trek back wasn't so hard for me, I originally supported McCain against Bush in 2000.
McCain's going to trounce Obama in one-on-one debates.
I just couldn't get over the practiced look of someone trying to look thoughtful and sincere.
Honey..wasn't too convincing.
And I agree with Mr. Z..those who have nothing to offer, will just run off at the mouth.
For Obama to suggest Justice Clarence Thomas had so little experience was the limit.
Cheeky man.
WVDOTTR
AOL straw poll just now, connected with this story: Obama 34%, McCain 66%.
'Course it's not many voters, but . . .
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/08/12/aol-straw-poll-aug-11-18/
I had a very hard time coming on board, Z. But I can see where, at the very least, if McCain strays from his words today as our President later, we can hold his feet to the fire and replay the tape. Bam Bam is telling us boldly exactly what he plans to do... and I want absolutely none of that.
I absolutely adore your spirit and conviction, Z!
And.........He hit it out of the park!!!!! Homerun!
Boy, that was great. For me, it's all about what it was from the beginning of this marathon. The war against the Islamo-fascists. McCain said it all when he said about evil, "defeat it". YES!
McCain was decisive, strong, and portrayed what a leader has to have. Confidence. Credibility. That's something a leader must have, it lifts everyone.
Yessirree. America first.
McCain for President!
Pris
cj...thanks..GREAT news!
DefiantInfidel:..Great point about holding his feet to the fire with this tape! Whatever spirit and conviction I have (thanks, by the way) is taking a lot out of me! I just love this country SO much and I think of all our soldiers who didn't die for the PC, America-last entitlement country Obama's hoping for. I honestly got quite teary listening tonight...
Pris..the Dodgers might have lost, but we got our homerun! Good one!! HURRAH!!
What channel was this on that maybe I could try to catch a replay of the whole thing?
BTW -- I was just givin' ya crap Z.
Pops, it's on NOW. On FOX
I figured that darkness wasn't you, Z.
I really think that there are better days ahead.
Good for you Z, i need to see this side of McCain. Judging from other reports around the blogosphere, bout time McCain came round i say. I've always said that a candidate's best hope should never be the voters dislike for the other guy. Glad to know those that matter figured that out too. I hope McCain really wiped the floor with Obama on partial-birth abortion, especially on his callous indifference to babies that survive abortion.
Z... I was up almost all night. I was riveted to the replays of the Saddleback Forum. I must fully agree with your words here... in fact, it was your words that made me seek out the FOX rebroadcasts, skip most of my night's sleep... and make pages of notes on what I will propose that me and my incredible blog partner, Dena, will do from here forward. We will be exchanging numerous thoughts later today I am sure.
I have never seen a more important time in our lives requiring us all to come together and preserve/protect this nation's foundations. McCain clearly stated the items I have been wanting to hear for so long last night.
Yes, they were words, not actions. Yes, he is motivated to win. But what he declaratively stated was exactly what WE the people need, to hold him to his clear words, if he is elected and departs from them.
So many points... I am creating an outline. I won't fill up your comment section with all of it... but we will be writing about it in the coming days... promise!
And, BTW... you are specifically responsible, along with a small handful of others whom I highly revere for your solid backbone, for my most recent post. I hate sales gimmicks, and I am not attempting one here... but I would be highly honored if you might find time to read it within your busy schedule. You are the epitome of what I was trying to get across.
I raise a coffee cup in your direction, on this gorgeous, fresh Sunday morning! Here's to victory!
I don't know, Z. If you look at his record, he seems less appealing. I'm not voting for the guy, nor for Obama. I think I'll vote "none of the above " this time around.
hermit, his record is certainly not stellar.
But, he's more a straight talker than I'd thought he was and is on my page on several subjects. (amnesty not being one of them...am wishing that had come up..SORT of!)
AND he wasn't afraid to speak his truth.
I STILL think Obama is THAT scary that I'd vote for my dentist instead. Just glad I don't have to now!
All I INTENDED to do was repost this eloquent statement Z made earlier, which perfectly sums up and echoes my own thoughts on last night's performance at Saddleback Church, but as you will see a few other thoughts came into my mind and spilled over as I read more of the posts.
Z said:
••• "Tonight, I saw vigor, I saw a clear and resolute mind, and a REAL AMERICA FIRST spirit.
I sure have NEVER got that from ol' limpid-eyed Obama. Never. It was ALL about him. again." •••
HURRAH for Z!
All I would add is when asked about the existence of EVIL both men confirmed it, but to OBAMA evil could only be seen in "our" persistent racism, the mean streets of "our" inner cities, and in "our" inequitable distribution income and healthcare. He never once even HINTED at the evil of Islamo-Fascism, of the evil of Russia's aggression in Georgia and her threat to invade or possibly nuke Poland for hosting one of our NATO defensive missile bases, or the horrors of Red China's record on human rights, or the dismal and contemptible condition of sub-Saharan Africa, etc.
Evil to McCAIN on the other hand means anything that threatens our lives, our freedoms, our still-vast opportunity to benefit fully from our individual talents and ambition and thus create, enhance and pass on personal wealth. Preserving our territorial integrity was also uppermost in his thoughts, but I was brought up short a bit on that by his record on border control and the treatment of illegal immigrants.
Too bad, Mr. Hermit! Let's hope you're part of an ever-dwindling minority of short-sighted, impractical, mentally strait-jacketed defeatocrats. Not that you're not entitled to waste your vote and further erode the libertarian structure on which this nation was based, but I'm also entitled to tell you it's unwise so to do–––to put it mildly.
Unadulterated ideals exist only in the realm of fantasy. It is PRAGMATISM that wins wars, feeds families and keeps the mill wheels turning.
Let us all give thanks and pray for the UNLIMITED SUCCESS of the John McCain we were privileged to see last night.
Also, we should give thanks for the intelligence, grace, integrity and ingenuity of Pastor Rick Warren–––a brilliant, highly successful politician in his own right–––who put together this unique opportunity for the candidates to showcase themselves and their views without hostile intent on the part of the interlocutor to trip up, embarrass and vilify either candidate. I gained tremendous respect for Pastor Warren's temperate, polite and friendly approach to both McCain AND Obama.
That Obama's halting, stumbling, incredibly tedious attempt to make himself appear like a really sincere, really astute good guy failed miserably was no one's fault but his own. The extraordinarily fair format and presentation made it virtually inevitable that the candidates would expose THEMSELVES. Thank God they did.
Politics never has been and never will be about perfect SINCERITY, it has ALWAYS been about who puts on a better SHOW.
McCAIN clearly demonstrated last night that He–––not OBAMA–––is the master showman.
Now wasn't that a lovely surprise?
~ FreeThinke
I wish I could have seen it.
A prophetic word of warning in a prayer to Almighty God from Rudyard Kipling about the fantasy of gaining and holding unlimited temporal power by dint of main force devoid of faith (emphasis added):
RECESSIONAL
God of our fathers, known of old––
Lord of our far-flung battle line
Beneath whose awful hand we hold
Dominion over palm and pine––
Lord God of Hosts, be with us yet,
Lest we forget - lest we forget!
The tumult and the shouting dies;
The captains and the kings depart:
Still stands Thine ancient sacrifice,
An humble and a contrite heart.
Lord God of Hosts, be with us yet,
Lest we forget - lest we forget!
Far-called, our navies melt away;
On dune and headland sinks the fire:
Lo, all our pomp of yesterday
Is one with Nineveh and Tyre!
Judge of the Nations, spare us yet,
Lest we forget - lest we forget!
If, drunk with sight of power, we loose
Wild tongues that have not Thee in awe––
Such boasting as the Gentiles use
Or lesser breeds without the law––
Lord God of Hosts, be with us yet,
Lest we forget - lest we forget!
For heathen heart that puts her trust
In reeking tube and iron shard––
All valiant dust that builds on dust,
And guarding, calls not Thee to guard––
For frantic boast and foolish word,
Thy mercy on Thy people, Lord!
Rudyard Kipling (1898)
Submitted by FreeThinke
FT..thanks for your comments....I'm glad you were as impressed with the whole thing as most of us were!
Also, Hermit is a friend and, while I know you're as passionate about everybody voting against Obama as I am and we both can get crazed by what we find wrong, we don't need the name calling. thanks.
As for the poem...very interesting...!
FT -- Hermit is a strong conservative and a good man. He is also a proud veteran that defended our country for many years. His choice is based on love of his country and love of the the state he is from and what he thinks is best for both of those groups. I also disagree with him and will vote for McCain but I would in the same breath champion his decision to not vote for McCain as it is him following his own heart and mind. Please do not speak of him again as you have here.
An interesting point that Senator McCain made last night, was that Our NATIONAL SECURITY was the ultimate deciding factor regarding his way of making decisions to commit troops, resources, etc. when it comes to war and a course of action when confronted with problems.
I also keyed in on what John said about voting against sending that smallish group of Marines to Lebanon, because, as McCain stated...it was, based on his own experience..asking for a tragic outcome.
You can't do this half -baked limp, lukewarm measures when committing our troops'lives and blood to an action.
If you are going to do something, then BY GOD do it.
So many deaths in Viet Nam, I know, occurred from stupid political decisions.
And by the way. what was with Obama's answer about decisions , being above his pay grade?
Spoken like a true government beaurocat.
I understand Fox Network and maybe even CNN are going to re broadcast last night's forum.
Some people have lived to see pure EVIL , stared it in the face, and I think John McCain has and lived to tell the tale .
We ( America) needs this man right now.
WVDOTTR
Great post Z, I agree 100%! John McCain was awesome last night and his depth is so much greater than the Pied Piper...He is a strong leader and let's hope americans and mostly conservatives get on board! :)N
I promise I won't take up more room after this last comment.
Back in 2000, I too, initially supported John McCain's bid for the presidency.
What happened,was that eventually, he lost in the primaries. That simple , and so I thought, ok...Bush it is.
At that point, I was so happy at the thought of Bill Clinton's time finally coming to an end in the white house.
When 9-11 occurred, I was so glad I had voted for George W. Bush.
Over time, there were many instances when lots of us were a tad bit let down over some of our responses in this terror threat, this new war , which really is not new.
Evil is evil, always has been, names mean nothing.
So, last night , John McCain showed that he got it, oh, he so gets "it".
He mentioned the presidents and leaders of those other former Soviet Nations coming together to support Georgia at this critical time.
We have to be prepared for more aggression and more brutish attacks from the Russians.
There is a lot more to what happened this past 7-10 days than we know.
WVDOTTR
Your reaction and mine is exactly the same, Z. I was going to vote McCain as the less of two evils, but I hated it! Last night truly did change all that and I can now happily support him. His answers were instantaneous and concise, no beating around the bush whatsoever.
I posted a video of Obama's response to the abortion question, and one of McCain's answer. No comparison! McCain now has my full support. :)
People at church I spoke to today had the same great feeling.
QUITE a happening, folks...I sure do hope this happens again! Thanks for your super comments!
Good post Z. I understand McCain hit it out of the park, but seriously, do you trust him? I don't, and for very good reasons. John McCain's V.P. pick will be the make or break moment for me because that's the most important thing he can do as a one term President.
WHO will he put in the catbird seat for the next Presidential election?
If it's another liberal like himself (Ridge, Pawlenty, Crist, or Leiberman) he loses my vote because the damage to the Party will be HUUUUGE! In a case like that the size and scope of the government will go out of control because Republicans will be forced to oppose their own President, and most won't do it. The big government Liberalism will be OUT OF CONTROL.
IF McCain picks a Conservative Veep he wins my vote because he will be setting up a guy like Romney, Jindal, or Portman to be an "incumbant" come next election. Conservative Veeps do win the White House.
John's actions will speak FAR louder than his words.
Morgan
I hate to say I TOLD YA SO, but...
Karen, RIGHT on!
Morgan; I can't put my country second to my party.
As someone above the thread said "we can hold his feet to the fire for having said those things last night..ON VIDEO"
If Ridge or Crist is chosen..or Graham...I'll absolutely LOSE it (hopefully, not HERE on the blog!!)...but I HAVE to vote against Obama. How can McCain come out for reversing Roe with that nasty (and dumb?) RIDGE on his side? I don't think that'll work...
We have SO SO much more to lose if OBAMA wins than we have to lose if mcCain wins..and, let's face it, we have two choices..That's IT.
PRAY JINDAL..or Portman...Except did you see Jindal standing next to McCain? It looks like he got Jindal from Mother Theresa's orphanage, too..let's face it! But, Jindal makes McCain look less like his father and more like his GRANDFATHER...scares me, that image! On the other hand, maybe people will look at them as a YOUNG VIGOROUS and OLD PATRIOT team? Not a bad combo?
I have to remain positive. I WILL remain positive. i actually SLEPT 7 hours through last night for the first time in MONTHS.
I was cheering!!!
Finally McCain make a clear strong stand on all the points that count.
He did everything right last night.
We need this repeated, every day
'til Nov.
Matisse is smiling...
Z wrote:
"Morgan; I can't put my country second to my party"
I agree. I NEVER put party above country. Without a conservative party of some sort, WHAT will happen to our country? A strong conservative opposition to an Obama Presidency is preferable to a devastated Republican party hamstrung by a libby Republican President who's picked a liberal Veep. I'm just looking at the big picture.
McCain can still win my vote with a conservative veep.
Morgan
I've said it before & I'll say it again... a vote for anyone but McCain, is a vote for Obama. To me, that's an abomination.
I just can't look at it any other way, either, Cube.
I wish I could.
I'm sorry if I hurt anyone's feelings. That was not the point. I am nothing if not outspoken, and can be sharp-tongued when aroused. Z has known me well for a long time, and I thought she was used to my ways by now.
For good or for ill I take after one of my great aunts. She had a reputation for being a Tartar, but everyone who knew her always said her bark was far worse than her bite. Underneath her crusty exterior beat a loving and generous heart–––but she always called a spade a spade according to the way she felt at any given time. Some found it off-putting, others amusing.
Like many here I was unexpectedly enthusiastic about John McCain's performance last night, and was so moved by his eloquence, passion, and astonishing candor that any doubts about him were completely wiped away for me. I had no idea he could speak so fluently and so unequivocally.
It is just hard to believe now that anyone could still have reservations about voting for him–––especially in light of the surrounding circumstances.
I obviously take the position that a vote for anyone BUT McCain is tantamount to a vote for Obama. I truly believe that, and I do not think we can afford an Obama presidency, hence my sharp reaction.
If ever there was a time for Republicans of ALL stripes to show solidarity, that time is NOW.
But, as I said to Morgan not long ago on another site, this is till America, and one of the best things about us is our freedom to differ and vote according to the dictates of our individual consciences.
Our greatest weakness, however, is our ability to vote ourselves into tyranny by backing an obvious demagogue, however inadveertently.
Take care.
~ FreeThinke
Thanks, FT. Your views and opinions are always welcome here.
I appreciate this comment, admire you for it, and sure do support your viewpoint about not voting for Obama.
We don't GET IT, but it's their right.....(HELP!)
I appreciate this.
FT -- I would echo what Z just said as well. I commented what I did as I did not know if you actually knew Hermit or not. His blog is closed to everyone except invited readers and so I wanted you to understand that he is a strong conservative and a veteran. He has my utmost respect and now so do you.
All right I just got done listening to a McCain ad. It was PURE leftist CRAPOLA on steroids. I really don't understand why ANY of you trust him! It said "he's the only one who's battled the tobacco companies, fought big oil..." and on and on and on.
This is why I'm waiting on his VP pick. If you want to watch that disgusting ad, it may play again on the Olypics channel.
Morgan
OK, as usual I cannot keep my big mouth shut any longer. FT, I completely understand your view. I also now share it... and that means I have come light years from where I was.
That being said, I understand and fully respect Hermit's views, too... I shared them for months after the Fla. crackheads gave us McCain (don't believe? check this). I was so disappointed I hardly posted a word for literally months.
I completely "get it" about Hermit's perceived "death of Conservatism" (TRUE Conservatism) by voting for, and thereby endorsing McCain. With some distinct exceptions, his Conservative record of voting is shaky to downright NOT.
I have also said, until last night's amazing McCain declarative, that we were relegated to winning this election by tearing down Bam Bam... a methodology that has never historically been successful.
However, McCain did last evening exactly what Mike Huckabee (and others) has been begging him to do for months. Lay it on the line in PlainSpeak.
From there, it is easy choosing... for me. But I am just barely smart enough to remember the other things John has said for political expediency (not to mention his voting record, McCain/Feingold, McCain/Kennedy and the Gang of 12). I will vote for McCain and hope I am not joining many in screwing up.
Because, we have two choices here:
Believe McCain now and hope he means it, being able to tear the rafters down by replaying that forum to him and scorching the soles of his feet. He said almost all of the "right" things last night... so it comes down to believe or don't believe. Is that so different from any other politician's words who was running for Prez in the past? I think not.
OR, we can directly or indirectly vote in the Bam Bam... most liberal member of Congress, anti-gun, wimpy national defense, hold hands with Jihadis, socialist, sure to replace departing SCOTUS judges with more lefty trash, extremely questionable background with zero true accomplishments... And later he can say to us, "Well, what did I tell you I would do?"
I, personally, just had to cave.
But I SO understand Hermit's view, grant him his absolute right to have it, and respect him immensely for it. (And BTW, Hermit, THANK YOU for your service to our country, SIR!)I just hope the rest of us are correct in our decision.
That's MY "hope", Mr. Bam Bam!
Great post and great comments, Z!
Morgan, McCain talked about not overtaxing corporations, he talked about private union voting being established, he talked about things that ARE conservative....
But when he says the things like you describe, my teeth grind, too.
Here's what I hope: He's pandering to the left. Let him. it's about time WE start lying to THEM to get OUR WAY. It's a time-honored institution among the left...let's give it back to them!
Defiant: Thanks! Good thinking there...I hope my buddy Morgan reads it, too.
Pops...I'm glad FT explained his enthusiasm; he has a great zeal and passion and, as I said in my first comment to him asking him to remember "no name calling", I knew he did it because we were ALL "hopped up" after seeing SOME hope after McC's presentation....nice that he explained himself better.
"Here's what I hope: He's pandering to the left. Let him. it's about time WE start lying to THEM to get OUR WAY. It's a time-honored institution among the left...let's give it back to them!
"
Beautiful... you made me burst out laughing with that. Great stuff, Z!
At this point, talk is cheap because McCain's a Populist. He's pandered shamelessly to whichever crowd he's speaking to for years now. His actions will speak louder than his words, and that's all I care about where he's concerned. The only-and I do mean ONLY-thing I believe about him is that he'll defend America. Outside of amnesty for illegals that's been his only consistant position through the years.
It's in McCain's hands to give us a strong conservative VP.
Morgan
Morgan, let's HOPE SO.
Defiant...YOU make ME smile! Thanks..xx
Morgan -- come on by my blog and scroll down a few posts. There's a 4 part set of posts on McCain. I'd appreciate if you'd read them and give me your thoughts.
Pops...good suggestion. it's a doozy.
JINDAL HAS REFUSED THE VP SLOT. I'm bereft.
I would actually like to see him pick Mike Huckabee as his VP. He has class and would make a decent president with 4 years under his belt as VP. Mitt Romney is nothing but the Republican's John Edwards. They are both used car salesmen. They both make you feel slimy. Edwards has been outed for who he is and it's only a matter of time before Romney will be as well. When it happens just remember that you heard pops say it here first!!!
I'll come look P. I'm NO fan of Huckabee's either. Speaking of used car salesman.
Morgan
Pops, if Huckabee's picked (and he won't be), mcCain's TOAST...
I've seen a video where Huckabee says "We need to bring this country back to Jesus Christ"...
Imagine how the media/Left, etc., will handle THAT one? TOAST, Pops.
too hot too handle, in my opinion...? WE might agree with the statement..even some of our Jewish buddies here have said America would be better off with more Christians, but, mostly, this will NOT fly.
I don't like Huckabee for his "christian" views but rather for his idea of getting rid of the IRS. Also, he had a microscopic percentage of the money that Romney spent out of his own pocket alone and wiped the floor with Romney in many states and in the debates. He was the most respectful candidate to the other candidates and was the ONLY candidate that answered all the questions given him at the debates and in the allotted time. When it comes to his political candidacy he was handed lemons and made lemonade.
Pops..I understand that, but it's the fact that he SAID that ON VIDEO which gives him no chance, don't you think?
How badly do you think evangelicals will react if Romney the Mormon's picked? You hearing anything in your town from Conservative Christians about that? I HATE that they'll not vote for a Mormon. I just hate it.
Tell you what..I am back ..guess it makes me a flip flopper.
Anyhow. I would love to see Fred Thompson as McCain's running mate.
Yes..HE is OLD.
But he is younger than McCain.
I do not care for Huckabee, and lots of southerners aren't that keen on him either.
These ads some mention here about taking on big oil or big this...
Pre -2000, John McCain used to have lists of all the pork on a web site, he really did, and tried to get that information out to the voters.
When he mentioned that 3 million dollars of tax payer money for the bear paternity thing or whatever, he probably knew that stuff from memory.
So often I have heard and read all these conservatives say they want to cut spending in government , and I think this is what McCain is trying to tap into with these ads.
This is for the mushy middle people .
ANd no, I do not think Jindal will be McCain's running mate, I have no idea who he will be or she will be.
But to sit out elections because my favorite choice for a job did not get picked? No, can't do that.
Country first.
I think McCain Feingold was stupid but , I think McCain really thought he was trying to clean up the filth that is rife in politics.
And all of us know, there once was a time that a Democrat or a Republican, both , agreed on America's interests first, not this totally over the top partisan insanity we see now days.
Now days this is a blood sport we see thrown at us.
Dan Quayle was a conservative vp and we all know where that ended.
Now I am waiting to see who Obama throws out there for vp.
He only has so many tricks. I have read he is going on another magic tour.
I will also say this...John McCain has something that a lot of candidates simply do not have and that is old fashioned MORAL AUTHORITY.
WVDOTTR
WVDOTTR wrote:
"I think McCain Feingold was stupid but , I think McCain really thought he was trying to clean up the filth that is rife in politics.
And all of us know, there once was a time that a Democrat or a Republican, both , agreed on America's interests first, not this totally over the top partisan insanity we see now days."
I respectfully disagree because I rememeber exactly what was happening at the time. McCain had just about lost his Senatorial bid in AZ, I can't remember if it was due to a primary challenge or not. He had been busy playing footsies with Dem gun grabbers in Congress and the NRA came out against him in their advertising. I was getting those mailings and the NRA had him NAILED! He was going to find a way to SHUT THEM UP prior to an election. The Dems were MORE than happy to go along. Such legislation (McCain-Feingold) helped them deflect attention from the Clinton's funny money problems. McCain-Feingold was born of PURE cynicism and power lust!
"America's interests first"? I agree completely. I honestly think a McCain Presidency, with a liberal VP will hamstring the conservative movement SO severely that MORE damage will take place domestically in a thousand different ways than if we had a 4 year Obama being fought on every front by a healthy conservative movement.
It's in McCain's hands now.
Morgan
My position is not "party first", hell I left the party two weeks after John won FL. McCain's very adept at saying what he needs to say, I'm waiting for his actions, that's all.
Morgan, you said "that MORE damage will take place domestically in a thousand different ways than if we had a 4 year Obama being fought on every front by a healthy conservative movement."
WHAT healthy conservative movement? I mean, HOW does this 'movement' DO anything? With an even more leftist congress predicted this election and a Marxist president AND his new lefty agenda SCOTUS people (which could happen the first year), how do we fight? With WHAT?
We raise conservative money? THEN what? What good is money and big talk when the president and his leftist congress will be passing whatever they want just for sheer NUMBERS of them?
I honestly don't get this point....please explain, I WANT to believe you have a good point..
my hope is McCain wins and can SOMEHOW fight through the leftist congress BECAUSE we're holding his feet to the fire (show him the video from Saddleback if he strays! Do what our media does to the Right)..and then conservatives are raising money and promoting a better conservative for the four years AFTER that...A Chuck Baldwin or whoever else people think would do a better job.
Z wrote:
"I honestly don't get this point....please explain, I WANT to believe you have a good point..
my hope is McCain wins and can SOMEHOW fight through the leftist congress BECAUSE we're holding his feet to the fire (show him the video from Saddleback if he strays!"
Thanks for asking Z because it DOES matter. Here's how we can positively keep things in check.
Assuming we maintain 41-46 seats in the Senate because a conservative Veep pick energizes conservatives to go to the polls, we can FILIBUSTER every leftist piece of garbage that Obama and Pelosi try to make into law. The numbers may even be greater because we're KILLING the Dems on the energy issue! Yes, damage will be done, but we'll be able to keep it in check.
Now, imagine if we had those same Senate numbers and a McCain-Crist/Leiberman/Ridge/Martinez Administration. They would push hard for Cap and Trade and WHO is going to oppose them except a small minority of die hard conservatives? The long term damage to our economy will be unspeakable and the government will have DOUBLED in size due to the new regulatory agencies involved on the enforcement end of things. Cap and Trade is just the beginning! McCain would become the bane of middle and conservative America and the best bud of the Dems.
You won't be able to "shame" him with clips of his quotes at Saddleback, he's a Populist and an old man with his own liberal mind. He won't worry what conservatives think, he hates us anyways. This is why his Veep pick is PIVOTAL! Watch what he does, not what he says.
I've been very outspoken on this topic to help put pressure on him, here, at FPM and other forums. If he feels that he has us in the bag he'll veer hard left.
Morgan
Yes, faith-based assistance in New Orleans beats (and STILL is) those FEMA buses all lined up with nobody in them HANDS down...
What are you talking about? Do you mean the school buses? Faith based groups did a hell of a job getting the destitute out of New Orleans? Please stop.
yes, I believe life begins at conception (what is it if it isn't life, an Amana refrigerator?)...
I believe it starts with viability outside the womb and primarily self consciousness. You disagree. That's why you aren't allowed to make the rules and choice is provided.
yes, I believe that parents ought to have a choice about their child's schooling!..
That's a little broad. I do also but I know that a privatized system will also fail.
yes, I believe we MUST beat "radical extremists"
I believe you are paranoid and that your primary opposition to Islam is that its otherness scares you.
, YES I believe our kids need inspiration to love America again...
The young seem completely disinterested in McCain. I don't see what he offers to be proud of in bombing up whatever he feels like at the moment.
and yes, I don't believe you need money to be rich and I don't believe in 'redistribution'. Etc.
McCheese believes in redistribution ... upward. Catch a clue about this guy. You're contradicting yourself.
It is a shame that some really separate themselves when it comes to the big picture.
Forgive me for not being able to articulate this better.
Americans in general tend to be "conservative" about certain issues, yes.
But to think there will be a huge conservative movement is perhaps a pipe dream.
I am not in any way condemning your thoughts or actions, but I do believe in realism.
Most Americans tend to be more middle of the road..they really are.
I say this from having grown up in a military family and then marrying a man in the military.
Yes..I have lived all over America.
Lots of conservatives -republicans and so forth in California , New Hampshire..but they are out voted.
I know , because I lived there for almost 5 years in the case of Califorina and a year in New Hampshire.
Having said that, understand that although some do not like the term Big Tent..truth is not everyone marches in lock step within a party.
We have had hard core right wing types run for offices , some do well, but it depends on where they run and their audiences.
Don't believe it? Well, check out Rick Santorum of Penn.
The guy is a great guy, very conservative, got in , but then lost as senator, ran as true conservative.
I do not say these things with meaness directed at any one, just acceptance of what I have observed and it is only my opinion.
ALso in my opionion, the most important thing that matters for a person running for president is the security of this nation..all else can be worked out.
But nothing can come about if the country is destroyed or incapable of defending itself.
THIS is one of the biggest issues Reagan ran on, defence of USA.
In this state I reside in..West Virginia, they vote Democrat but these people probably would bleed red , white and blue if you cut them.
Patriotic to the core.
And I will tell you all this:
It sometimes bothers me when I see and hear voters who only call themselves conservatives.
It was the term used in England years ago when I lived there and when I see some here identifying themselves as such, I wonder why they are copying the English.
Just little observations.
WVDOTTR
WVDOTTR wrote:
"ALso in my opionion, the most important thing that matters for a person running for president is the security of this nation..all else can be worked out."
Yes, national defense IS the most important issue. But "all else" CANNOT be worked out. This Cap and Trade horror CANNOT be "worked out" in any way whatsoever. We'll get it with McCain, and chances are that a united Republican Party would block it from happening with an Obama Administration. We have invited the enemy into our "tent" and it's now our job to make sure he plays by OUR rules.
Put the pressure on him! I DO NOT want him feeling safe to move to the left.
Morgan
Ducky..I was laughing at this.
No, SOMETIMES Lefties just can't have their way. sorry, but you're wrong on every count.
FEMA screwed up the buses, Ducky, and you know it. Faith-based is STILL THERE IN SPADES helping out....and they're not using your tax dollars. Is that what bugs you? Meanwhile,FEMA's still trying to figure out why the mobile homes stink.
What IS an embryo in utero, Ducky? An Amana refrigerator?
ALL of those points are where YOU disagree and MILLIONS disagree with you.......man, the hubris!
Morgan.....I SO see your points, but we probably will NOT have even 41, you know that. We're DONE if Obama and a Marxist congress take over our country.
Ducky said this, WV DOTTR:
"I believe you are paranoid and that your primary opposition to Islam is that its otherness scares you."
Yes, the conservatives do believe the threats and do believe SECURITY IS THE MOST IMPORTANT THING.
One blogger was married to a muslim for years; one of her sons has threatened her about speaking out because the American mosque he attends has made him an extremist. He's threatening her to remain quiet. But "no threat", right?
maybe he's just an exception?!
ALL the freebies the Marxists are happily dishing out to Ducky will be for nothing if we are not safe.
But, of course, the Left thinks we're making things up so we can hate muslims. The hate crimes to muslims is so low, even after 9/11 it's a stunning compliment to Americans that more hate hasn't been perpetrated.
Z that was a fantastic post! You wrote this:
"Morgan.....I SO see your points, but we probably will NOT have even 41, you know that. We're DONE if Obama and a Marxist congress take over our country."
That's the media line for sure. Most believe it as though it's accepted wisdom. I don't. I think this energy issue has saved our electoral butts and we'll end up with a break even or better in the House and 42-46 in the Senate. Those House members who voted to go on vacation instead of working on energy are TOAST unless they're in safe districts. I think McCain will win too. Do you realize3 that Obama (the messiah) will need to get 57% in the polls to win? Ducky knows it. :-)
If the polls have it within 4 points, McCain wins BIG.
It's time to put the full court press on him about the Veep choice.
Morgan
thanks, Morgan...Net just emailed me. He thinks McCain will win, too. He saw it as a patriot statesman versus a college professor with an agenda....he's been on the fence, but thought Sat. night about clinched it.
Ducky....I'm sorry to come down on you so hard; I understand you are a liberal and I've seen you be very reasonable (at Mustang's, etc.) and I appreciate that. You have every right to your feelings.
Did you watch Saturday night?
I have a post prepared I might just put up now...I worked hard on cleaning up the transcript for publication here and considered NOT publishing it because it's beating a dead horse, but there are quotes from Obama I really do want discussed. I need to see if I'm off base, too (Surprise!)
Thanks.
Working things out means what it means.
No country no nothing.
And like it or not , sometimes, yes...we have to compromise..don't like it but that is politics.
Not everyone who signed the Declaration of Independence agreed 100% , but certain issues were tabled and hashed out , worked out, what ever you want to call it to obtain and accomplish bigger goals.
I might not like it but that is reality.
You don't always get everything you want.
And , have you ever seen any president get all he wants? I haven't.
And to some who say people like me are paranoid about Muslims..hey, what ever.
Better alive and paranoid than dead with my head chopped off.
Trust but verify.
WVDOTTR
This is the 70th post. I like round numbers.
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