Thursday, February 19, 2009

This is a joke, right? WHAT?

check out the flag, okay? it's not photoshopped.

Report: ICE agents pressured to meet arrest quotas

By GILLIAN GAYNAIR, AP

LANGLEY PARK, Md. – U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement agents arrested 24 Hispanics at a convenience store in Baltimore two years ago after their supervisor told them to "bring more bodies" because they were behind their annual quota of 1,000 arrests per team, according to an ICE report released Wednesday.

The immigration rights group CASA de Maryland, which has accused ICE of racial profiling in the 2007 raid, released the agency's internal investigation report and said it shows that the agents acted improperly.

The report contradicts some sworn declarations made by ICE agents involved in the sweep, prompting the agency's Acting Assistant Secretary John Torres to ask for an investigation into inconsistencies, ICE spokeswoman Ernestine Fobbs said Wednesday. Meanwhile, CASA officials have called on Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano to review the agency's enforcement policies.

"Government agents should not be in the business of judging people based on the color of their skin, clothing and employment, which is what seems to have occurred here," the Rev. Simon Bautista Betances, vice president of CASA's board of directors said Wednesday. (Z: What else can they do to round out as many ILLEGALS as possible?)

CASA officials have charged that ICE agents ignored blacks and whites at the 7-Eleven store as they rounded up all of the Hispanics, even crossing the street to detain Hispanics waiting at a bus stop. (Z: Is this the same guys who ignore dark swarthy skinned people at the airport and question Finnish grandmothers so it they're not profiling? How many blacks and whites are illegal in comparison with Hispanics?)

Soon after the raid, Sen. Barbara Mikulski (D-Md.) asked for an investigation into whether the ICE officers racially profiled the people they arrested. ICE's internal probe found the allegations to be unsubstantiated, Fobbs said.

"I have confidence that the new Department of Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano will fairly address this and other immigration issues," Mikulski said in an e-mailed statement in response to Wednesday's report. (Z: Ruhroh)

Of the 24 men arrested in the raid, one proved that he was in the country legally, 19 were deported or voluntarily returned to their native countries and four remain in immigration proceedings, said Justin Cox, an attorney with CASA representing some of the men.

The ICE agents involved in the raid are part of the agency's fugitive operations program, which tracks down violent criminals living in the country illegally. Agency records from the program show that beginning in 2004, the teams were assigned to arrest at least 125 fugitive immigrants. In 2006, each team's quota was increased to 1,000 fugitive arrests. (Z: isn't that a GOOD THING?)

"Our current enforcement of the immigration policy based on quotas lead to the separation of families and civil rights violations," said Gustavo Torres, CASA's executive director. "The evidence speaks for itself." (Z: Wait..so if an ILLEGAL snuck into our country, it's our responsibility not to separate him from his family? Couldn't they maybe STOP breaking laws if they were threatened with separation? They don't seem to mind separation when the men come here without families, which is what's normally done)

The debate over the raid centers on whether the agents had probably cause to detain the men or whether agents targeted them simply because they were Hispanic.

In sworn declarations, some officers said they stopped at the 7-Eleven to take a break after several hours of arresting fugitive immigrants in neighboring counties. When the agents arrived, they said Hispanic day laborers surrounded their vehicles asking for work and, when questioned, admitted they were in the country unlawfully.

However, in the report, some officers later told ICE investigators that the men mumbled or said nothing when asked about their status. Some also said that their supervisor had instructed them to beef up their arrests, the report said.

Cox said some of the day laborers testified that agents did not ask them about their status and ignored non-Hispanics passing through the store. (Z: Are they supposed to stop EVERYONE??)

"I think that this validates all the concerns that the immigrant rights community has been expressing for the past couple of years," Cox said.

Z: Are they kidding? Is this a JOKE? Does anybody have concerns about what illegal immigrants have DONE to our country? They're not happy? WHAT? I COME from immigrants..we ALL do....but my people are VERY new here...not telling how new for privacy sake; I LOVE immigration. My grandfather came at 9 and had the language licked in 3 months and became a successful man. My people never went on welfare, even the ones who weren't as successful as Grandpa. My people love this country and my mother made the King Family Entertainment Specials during the Bicentennial look underdecorated! We had STANDARDS in America regarding immigration then. We had laws, and stringent requirements! WHAT HAS HAPPENED? And THE ILLEGALS HAVE CONCERNS? ??

z


25 comments:

Average American said...

They picked up 24 and 1 proved he was here legally. ENOUGH SAID!!!

Anonymous said...

hing run by Janet Napolitano will soon fing itself in a MESS!

Morgan

Always On Watch said...

Casa de Maryland, local to me, is ever lobbying to undermine our immigration laws.

Even though Mikulski (a leftista, of course) supports Casa, most Maryland citizens I know do not. And many of those citizens are legal immigrants (most from South Korea). Because of all the problems with Latinos in certain parts of Maryland, those legal immigrants try to find another locale in which to settle permanently.

I.H.S. said...

OK, from now on just stop everyone in the area, simple as that. I'm not here illegally so if you stop me and explain why your stopping people then I'll say OK no problem.

Blessings.

Anonymous said...

Interesting. Yesterday, the news reported that the Homeland Security Department announced that hundreds of people under a deportation order suddenly "disappeared;" they have no idea where these illegal persons are. Amazing. And if you think this is bad, imagine that the new Secretary for Homeland Security is former Arizona Gov. Nepolitano, who offered her state as a sanctuary for illegal aliens.

It can only get worse, folks.

kevin said...

One thing that has never made sense to me. If we have to have all these illegal aliens to do the work that Americans don't want to do and our society would collapse without them, then why are there so many of them just loitering about the nation's home depots? Waiting all day for some temporary job that may only last a few hours? If the aforementioned logic held true, would be employers of aliens would be the ones standing around waiting for the illegal aliens to show up.

Z said...

Average...wouldn't you THINK it would be enough said?

Morgan and Mustang: the very thought that a governor who promoted a sanctuary state is now Homeland Security Head is SO horrendous....it's mind numbing!

And, if we had a MEDIA WHICH CARED, OR if Bush had done this..there would have been outrage! (Oh, no, if he'd been that stupid and irresponsible, the media'd have loved him. Sorry, I forgot) :-)

THE MEDIA DOES NOT REMIND AMERICA OF ANY FACTS. AND WE ARE DOING NOTHING ABOUT IT.

I.H.S....your logic is to sensible.
Yes, let's EVERYONE the ICE see get stopped and questioned, including US..NO PROBLEM....why would anyone worry unless they're illegal? (Or they're a leftist who seems to think illegals have more rights than natural citizens who are partly in this economic hole because so much has had to go bankrupt PAYING for their healthcare, their welfare, etc etc.)

Around here, 25 yrs ago, you'd walk by hispanics who didn't look like they were from here and they'd never make eye contact; Bingo! You knew they'd snuck in...you knew the authorities would get around to them. you knew they'd done wrong. Not today. That number is ten fold, at least, and they look you RIGHT in the eyes, like "DARE TO ASK ME"..
(some are VERY sweet people, by the way, do not get me wrong...I've had amazing stories, I must admit, of kindnesses by illegal latinos. beautiful people)....

I just want THE LAWS UPHOLD. The laws of OUR country. You nkow how Mexico feels about US coming in THERE..not so happY!

Kevin, again, you make too much sense!!

There are surpluses of those busy-working Latinos on every corner around here.......
and American teens bumming around the local high school with nothing better to do after school than smoke dope and get pregnant.........THEY don't have to work! MOm or Dad's taking care of them because THEY HAD BETTER!! Our kids know ENTITLEMENT and intimidation of their parents..

oh brother! Hate to sound too low here, but this stuff is such a changed country than only 20 years ago, isn't it (and I generalize, all of us know great kids who do homework and excel in school...I just see too much of the other around here)

Ducky's here said...

Yup, just do a dragnet of anyone who's Hispanic.

Never mind probable cause.

Funny when due process for non whites is involved you folk never start with your "Constitution" line.

I.H.S. said...

Ducky, like I said earlier. Stop everyone in the vacinity.

When they do random roadblocks where I live, no one starts screaming PROFILING! They usually end up with several people with no insurance, no liscense, expired plates, outstanding warrants and illegal immigrants.

The people who try to 'duck' these roadblocks are trying to hide something, what? If you're not guilty of anything, why not go through the roadblock? If your legal why not submit to a staus check?

Are we not to ask people if they have a drivers liscense or proof of insurance when they're pulled over?

Blessings.

WomanHonorThyself said...

o gosh that flag..egads!

Ducky's here said...

Ducky, like I said earlier. Stop everyone in the vicinity.

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But that is a violation of probable cause.

Stopping everyone is NOT random.

It just doesn't pass muster.

More effective would be to deal with employers who are hiring without proper identification. The technology to check applicants is very much available and we could do it easily.

But the thing is, a problem like this occurs because someone WANTS IT TO OCCUR. If we aren't going to deal with the power structure that profits from the illegals then we are going to fail.

Anonymous said...

Let me make that clear: Only people who have something to hide are against tougher laws, and actually enforcement of our laws.

I reiterate what I have said many times: I think everybody who is illegally in this country needs to be deported. The more I see and hear, the more do I believe that to be the case.

It is far cheaper to buy 10,000 buses (now, that would be a stimulus, wouldn't it), round everybody illegally in this country up, and deport them, rather than paying for the consequences of having them in this country.

And it would solve another problem at the same time: We would get those people who are on welfare, but could work if they wanted to, and send them to the jobs done today by the illegals, by threatening them that they wouldn't get a welfare check anymore. The double effect would be well worth it. (That would, of course, not concern those people who are justifiably on welfare and cannot work).

As Z said: We are not against immigrants, in the contrary - just against those, who break the law while sneaking into the country. Enough is enough. We need to take action - but that will be even more difficult now, with the new Sheriff King Obama I. and his cronies in town. Let's get on it, folks!

Mr.Z

I.H.S. said...

The roadblocks they set up here where I live are random, they aren't on every street.

OK, even if it wasn't roadblocks, the authorities have every bit of probable cause, since you want them to have that first, for asking identification of every person standing around Home Depot or Lowes, etc. Because the last time I checked loitering is against city codes and ordinances.

So, to not appear PROFILISTIC you ask EVERYONE in the general area for identification. Does this cover the probable cause statute?

Blessings.

Ducky's here said...

Let me make that clear: Only people who have something to hide are against tougher laws, and actually enforcement of our laws.

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Let me make something clear Mr. Z. Only people who believe in due process are against Hispanics being illegally rousted because some jive rethug is upset.

Do you ever run out of cliches?

Average American said...

Ducky, you actually got something right, or at least half right.

......But the thing is, a problem like this occurs because someone WANTS IT TO OCCUR. If we aren't going to deal with the power structure that profits from the illegals then we are going to fail......

You of course are referring to the rightards. Well, the leftards are also to blame for doing nothing. The Dems would like nothing better than to legalize those 20 million new democrat voters, and I am positive NObama already has a plan to do EXACTLY that.

Anonymous said...

As the economic situation worsens, a lot of these individuals will leave the country of their own accord. Those that don't, we need to send home. If they want to live here, they need to do it legally like all the other people who immigrate through approved channels. However, having said that, I'm willing to lay odds that before long, the current administration moves to essentially legalize all illegals who are in the country now anyway.

Ducky's here said...

You of course are referring to the rightards.

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Well, I do remember that St. Ronnie Raygun's amnesty was supposed to resolve everything.

It is also instructive that the influx became absolutely massive during the George W. Bush administration. I live in a high immigrant area and the transformation during the last 4 or 5 years was astounding.

Law and Order Teacher said...

Ducky,
I hate to put a stick in your spokes but you don't need probable cause to check someone's identity and purpose for being at a place.

There is a lower standard of proof called reasonable suspicion. This standard and the procedures involved were set forth in Terry v. Ohio, 1968. The police are allowed to stop, frisk and question a suspect if the officer is able to give specific and articulable reasons that a crime has been or is about to be committed.

In this instance it would appear that the agents were within the parameters of a Terry stop. I've done them hundreds if not thousands of times over my career.

The probable cause standard involves the evidence necessary to arrest. I know the fact the police do have legal rights to do their jobs just galls the heck out of "civil libertarians."

As for "racial profiling," over the course of my career I arrested many people of all colors. Never once did I arrest someone for anything other that committing a crime. Racial profiling is some made up horse manure to allow white liberals to feel good about themselves.

The officers in our district were once sued because we arrested too blacks. It was hard to arrest whites because the demographic of the district was over 98% black. I guess we should have driven over to another district with a mostly white demographic and arrested some of them. Just to even things up a bit, you know.

Z said...

Ducky, I'll remind you to BE POLITE. I am in no mood, especially today, to read the insults at me, my husband or ANY commenter. Why is it others can talk calmly and instructively, sharing opinions, yet you have to belittle and demean and name call?
I'm waiting for you to call Mr. Z GAY, that's your usual thing...that'll be good and I'll let him respond.
Or maybe I SHOULD (heh heh)

Yes, L&O..it's like going to Tokyo and rounding up TOO MANY JAPANESE.
I'll bet an all white neighborhood's arrests would never be called TOO MANY WHITES, huh?

It's just GOOD SENSE..COMMON sense...and that's what the left's political correctness has drawn us away from.

Funny, I had a conversation today with some women. Actually, I'm going to BLOG THIS, not tell it here. She deserves discussion..it was an amazing story. stay tuned.

Anonymous said...

get the hell out of my way

what is it?

it's a line spoken by john galt in the book atlas shrugged

read the book

py

Z said...

Hi, PY!

I know you're a BIG Ayn Rand fan (or WERE when you had WHO IS JOHN GALT on your bumper sticker on that little VW years ago xxx!) Wish you were coming for dinner tonight to Mom and Dad's!

But, anonymity prevails, right!? it's OUR SECRET!!

We know many immigrants who came legally (very well, don't we!), and succeeded beautifully...good stuff, huh!?

Anonymous said...

So, profiling is wrong? Than why on applications, school registrations...., and the big one, The Census, do we have to put our race?

On public school records, they want to know the child's race, country of national origin, parents' education status, marital status........

In their classes the children are asked questions about their personal life, and home life, whether they have any relatives who smoke, etc.

On the census, in 2000, they wanted mostly the same as above, plus income level, and more. Why? All the census was originally meant to accomplish was to count the population.

Face it, everyone is profiled whether we like it or not. I don't!

Even our medical records will be in a national data bank, and also, thanks to the new stimulus bill, it will be mandatory for doctors to provide this info for all his patients.

Now, if the overwhelming number of illegal aliens are from Mexico, it stands to reason they look like Mexicans. Wow what a revelation! If they're afraid of being caught, it's because they're breaking the law and they know it.

Since our lives are an open book to God knows how many bureaucrats, I think it's only fair that illegal aliens learn that America is not as free as advertised. Of course they can always stay home, we are home.


Pris

Z said...

Pris, I swear..you are SO damned smart!

We are ALL profiled. why should others not be?

Anonymous said...

23 out of 24 sounds like pretty probable cause. Were law enforcement omniscient, it wouldn't have bothered the 1. Remember that knowledge is a scarce quantity. It sounds like in this case enforcement did a pretty good job with what they knew and when they knew it.

Tio Bowser

Z said...

I agree with you, Tio.
We are a nation of laws and they work...IF we use them.