Tuesday, February 24, 2009

When CAN we sue? (UPDATE: we can't, he's immune, we're in danger)

Gitmo Detainee to be Released Next Week

February 20, 2009 6:03 PM

ABC News has learned that the Obama administration will begin the process of releasing a prisoner from the Detainee Center at Guantanamo Bay next week, perhaps as early as Monday.

Binyam Mohamed, a 30-year-old Ethiopian and legal resident of the UK, will be transferred into British custody, government officials told ABC News. The British will fly Mohamed back to England. The British government has signaled it intends to subject Mohamed to surveillance, but he is not expected to be arrested. (Z: Did you have read that twice, too?)

British authorities have long expressed concern that any evidence against Mohamed would be inadmissible because of alleged torture against him by Pakistani and U.S. authorities. (Z: WHAT? What if he's planning more dirty bomb attacks? He 'alleged' torture so he's clean?)

The White House had no comment. (Z: CAN WE COMMENT? I'd like to comment...PLEASE?)

Mohamed has been detained at Gitmo since September 2004. He was first arrested in Pakistan by local authorities in 2002 and turned over to U.S. military authorities a few months later.

According to the Combatant Status Review Board filings summarizing evidence against Mohamed for combatant status review tribunal recently made unclassified (see HERE and HERE), Mohamed "received paramilitary training" at the al Faruq training camp in Afghanistan. (Z: maybe that was to become a NAVY SEAL, huh? Ya THINK? Not to insult NAVY SEALS, I'm SO SO sorry)

There he learned about "light arms handling, explosives, and principles of topography." He was "taught to falsify documents and received instruction from a senior al Qaida operative on how to encode telephone numbers..."

"The detainee proposed, to senior al-Qaida leaders, the idea of attacking subway trains in the United States," the board statement says. In Karachi, Mohamed "received explosives and remote-controlled-detonator training from an al Qaida operative." An al Qaida operative also told Mohamed to go to the U.S. "to assistant in terrorist operations," the document states. He allegedly was planning to use a "dirty bomb." (Z: Read THAT AGAIN! Are we ...nuts?)

In an interview with a member of the U.S. military also recently declassified, (read it HERE) Mohamed said that his training was done before 9/11 in order "to fight in Chechnya, which was not illegal." His contacts with al Qaida were only made so he could get out of Afghanistan and back to the U.K. Mohamed also "stated that his plane ticket at time of capture was a ticket from Karachi to Zurich to England, so how could he have plans to carry out attacks in the United States"? (Z: "How could he...?" Could he not buy a ticket with cash any stop he made and change plans? WHAT? Will we EVER be more clever or cunning than our enemy?)

All terrorism-related charges against Mohamed were dropped in 2007.

The ACLU has long claimed that Mohamed's admissions were made under the duress of torture.

"This unprecedented release of an enemy combatant, who has already targeted the United States, clearly shows that despite the promises that President Obama made to keep this country safe, he may be putting political promises ahead of our national security," said Commander Kirk Lippold, Former USS Cole Commander. "The laundry list of charges against Binyam Mohamed, many of which he has admitted to, makes it blatantly clear that it is not if he will attack the United States, but only when his attack will happen." (Z: YA THINK??? Is Obama comfortable with that?)

Lippold, a Senior Military Fellow at Military Families United, called Mohamed's release "dangerous" and urged the president to reconsider.

"By Mohamed’s classification as an ‘enemy combatant’," Lippold said, "the United States is aware that he poses a threat to our country and allies. Instead of maintaining him in custody where justice can be served, President Obama is allowing him to be released to the United Kingdom without condition. This presents a danger that he may rejoin the fight to kill innocent civilians." (Z:.....never mind..what can I say?)

The ACLU says that Mohamed, after being captured in 2002, was flown from Pakistan to Morocco on a Gulfstream V aircraft, for which flight and logistical support services were provided by Jeppesen Dataplan, Inc. Mohamed claims that for the following 18 months he was tortured by Moroccan intelligence officials. In 2004, Mohamed was flown to a secret U.S. detention facility in Afghanistan, Mohamed claims. Again, support services for this flight were provided by Jeppesen.

"In Afghanistan Mohamed was tortured and inhumanely treated by United States officials," the ACLU says. "Later that same year Mohamed was rendered a third time by U.S. officials, this time to Guantánamo Bay, Cuba where he is presently."

Mohamed is one of several detainees who have attempted to sue Jeppesen Dataplan, a suit fought by both the Bush and Obama administrations because of "state secrets." (Z: and if he wasn't tortured but is lying about it, we'll err on his side, as usual, right? I wonder how much of our tax dollars he'll get.)

In a statement the British Foreign Secretary David Miliband said Mohamed "will be returned as soon as the practical arrangements can be made."

"Mr Mohamed’s return does not constitute a commitment by the Home Secretary that he may remain permanently in the UK," Miliband said. "His immigration status will be reviewed following his return and the same security considerations will apply to him as would apply to any other foreign national in this country . As always, all appropriate steps will be taken to protect national security." (Z: OURS?)

I GIVE UP. Can we sue a president for leaving us this vulnerable? Seriously....Yehudi, do YOU KNOW? Any other lawyers here? We're going to sit back and see this happen? Is he being defended by Eric Holder's firm?(read at your own risk, not after eating) Have we gone STARK RAVING MAD?

Oh, and I KNOW, he could be TOTALLY innocent (!) but WHEN can we err on OUR SIDE?

Z

15 comments:

Anonymous said...

All I can say is....OY!

Ducky's here said...

All terrorism-related charges against Mohamed were dropped in 2007.

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But we have to remember that z is still frightened. So this guy has to stay inside. Do you see the problem?

Z said...

MK and TME...."OY" is right. Yes, terrorism just might pay.

You see, there are people like Ducky who don't read every word of the article or skip over the parts he doesn't want to read. What's known is that he trained for explosives, had plans for our subway systems, and how to tap into phone calls, etc.etc.

Yes, I'm still "frightened"; That they couldn't prove THIS TIME that he was guilty is absolutely no solace. He just beat the system...like the lawyers in Eric Holder's law firm are doing with 17 Gitmo detainees. Ya, our Atty Gen's law firm. That's the one.
SO much more important to make sure they use every American trick known to them to escape prosecution...SO much more important than to say "You know, this guy's trained with Al Qaeda, this guy had plans, this guy met with Kahlid Sheikh Mohammed and just might come back to America and kill 50,000 people in an hour on the NY Subways.." But WE CAN'T PROVE IT, so.........put him under surveillance in ENGLAND, there aren't too many muslims there, he can't get lost in the crowd and evade Scotland Yard because they have nothing else to do!

super

Z said...

By the way, Folks.
I don't think there's one of us who likes locking people up without rock solid evidence, but this man obviously (and the Gitmo detainees) had things we needed to worry about.

My point is, again, the following:

What do we do? People should be tried for crimes but this is a WHOLE NEW WORLD.....this is information picked up about these people which could save hundreds of thousands of American lives.

Do we take the chance, due to our laws, and let them go because they were arrested without the Miranda Law or because MIGHT have been roughed up during questioning? LET HIM GO? To possibly hurt thousands?

Pat Jenkins said...

tying the hands of those who aim to stop a terrorist is change alright. a change from having this country protected for the last 7 plus years to one that is again become vulenrable!....

Anonymous said...

There have been a number of these individual who were released because they were no longer deemed to be dangerous, who then materialized in places like Yemen, back at their old game.

Anonymous said...

ALL of those "detainées" should just have been KILLED the moment they were spotted.


In WWII --- the last time we ever won a war --- it was "shoot first, ask questions later."


"War Crimes" were invented AFTER we liberated what-was-left-of the concentration camps. The Lust for Justice after Hitler caused us to cut off our national testicles. Pity!


BTW, did you know that "Oy" means GOOSE in French?


Both geese and ducks respond well to similar roasting procedures. Sour fruits of one kind or another are almost always involved.


Duck roasted and garnished with sour grapes! What a dish!

};-)>


~ FT

Papa Frank said...

I've got an idea. Release these people in the middle of the country with a tag on their back and let them walk to one of the borders. Let us handle the rest.

Anonymous said...

The problem is, when someone like Ducky refuses to understand we are at war, he sees all these detainees through the eyes of one who believes a combatant is one who has or has not yet committed a crime. If not, he's not guilty.

In war, a court doesn't get to decide who is or is not a combatant. He is not judged as a criminal. He is the enemy.

Yeah, out of the millions of people who are in Pakistan, our agents and Pakistani authorities just decided to grab this guy for no reason!

I can only imagine the risk and hardships, dealing with some dangerous players in Pakistan to get this man, Mohamed.

They collected the evidence, interrogated him and he ended up in Gitmo because he had plans to commit an attack in the U.S.

He now is believed by the ACLU and others, over the testimony of our own agents and Military. When he says he was tortured, we just believe him? What was this torture? Sleep deprivation? Loud music? Taking away his Koran?

Heck sometimes it's torture for me to read one of Ducky's posts!

Ducky, what if his dirty bomb was going to be set off at your "big dig" subway, and it was interdicted because of our CIA doing their job?

How far would you be willing to go in stopping an attack? A dirty bomb would kill thousands right away, thousands more over a period of time, and finally, leave Boston uninhabitable for, at a minimum, years. What's that worth to you?

This is what the Bush Administration was focused on. Protecting the Ameican people. The threat is real. Pre-emption is the only way to succeed in this.

Foreign enemies in war, are not protected by our Constitution. Because they do not fight for any nation state, or national army, they do not come under the Geneva Conventions either. This is why they are not categorized as POW's.

Since Britain has become a country with leaders who are fearful and cowardly, they can have this man. They can smile and say to the world, "look at how good we are even to our enemy", while their enemies continue to plan,threaten, and hold them hostage.
God help them.

Pris

cube said...

By the time BO is through, we'll be paying reparations to all the Gitmo terrorists.

Doesn't a moslem have a right to wreak terror on infidils?

cube said...

Um, that's infidels.

shoprat said...

Anyone who isn't frightened is in denial.

Law and Order Teacher said...

Hence the folly of trying to adjudicate a war as a crime. I hope that more innocent people don't pay the price for BO and ACLU trying to placate their left wing buddies.

Anonymous said...

All terrorism charges dropped against this terrorist does not mean he is MR. NICE.

It does not mean he does not play with bad things. It means not enough evidence to suit some paper pusher to file charges.

O.J. Simpson was found not guilty,too, but by golly, I do think he killed two people.

Nice difference there.

So, I think it is ok and probably healthy to be like Z and be a tad bit alarmed or scared.


We let sex offenders out into the real world, too.
Some states make them post their where abouts and so on , so the poor unsuspecting public has got a little bit of a heads up on the type of predator they have in their midst.

Nothing wrong with it.

There is a responsibilty for a state or country to think about the nice guys, the citizens who pay their wages, to enforce laws and at least give some sort of protection to them.

To just shrug and say oh well, not enough evidence guys, we have to wait for the man to kill someone is not what anyone wants to hear.


WVDOTTR

Anonymous said...

Well, it is looking like Mr. Obama agrees with treating terrorists as just criminals, so be prepared.


Perhaps we'll have terrorists off on the side of the roads picking up garbage.

WVDOTTR