I know this is highly controversial. That's good. Please read the linked article...it's not long and Grassroots.com has something you'll want to click on, too.
Read it, digest it, and let's please think about it. Here's a bit from the linked article:
Washington– Because it has abandoned moral absolutes and its historic Christian faith, the U.S. is moving closer to a Nazi-style totalitarianism, warns a former German member of the Hitler Youth in a new book.
"Every day brings this nation closer to a Nazi-style totalitarian abyss," writes Hilmar von Campe, now a U.S. citizen, and author of "Defeating the Totalitarian Lie: A Former Hitler Youth Warns America."
"Every day brings this nation closer to a Nazi-style totalitarian abyss," writes Hilmar von Campe, now a U.S. citizen, and author of "Defeating the Totalitarian Lie: A Former Hitler Youth Warns America."
Here's what bugs me; We can't even DISCUSS this without the Left screaming "CHRISTIAN FAITH? We shouldn't mention that in America!" or "NAZIs....everything you Rightwing nuts don't like, you call NAZI" (funny, but so does Dick Durbin, right?...or should I say 'left?'!)
We don't need to go to the extreme of the threat of NAZIsm in America to discuss that we're in real scary, almost unrecognizable territory right now, do we? No. But, can we ignore that there are signs which tell us we'd better be careful? Will we let the Left bully the Right by calling us names and saying how "extreme" we are because we're trying to make sure nothing remotely like NAZIsm happens here? Is it really going too far to think something pretty awful could happen here in this country we all love so much?
z (thanks, Pris)
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We need a solution, if there is one. He says he has one. I don't want to get the book until I have a feeling whether it's really worth it or not. Anybody read it? Joseph Farah offers a solution to our current dilemmas too in some book I saw advertised recently. They are both apparently writing from a Christocentric point of view so their suggestions may well be worth thinking about.
It's probably not important how we label the problem at the moment. It's leftist and fascist both and may very well be a lot like pre-Hitler Germany, but whatever it is it is death to the Constitution and death to America and we all know that without the labels. My own feeling has been that we've been fighting this growing problem in America in one form or another for years now ineffectively, which has meant to me that it's God's judgment on the nation that it continue to degenerate until it is destroyed.
But it COULD mean that the church is simply not doing what we should be doing and that's why we don't have the power against such things that we should have. That kind of power, God's power, comes only through a total all-out submission of God's people to His will, and NOT through politics unless HE directs the political direction for us. Total submission, nothing held back, dying to self in earnest, taking up our cross in earnest, loving our enemies (they are pawns of the devil, after all) and leaving vengeance to God, everything He has commanded, knowing He will sustain those who put such complete trust in Him. The times call for Elijahs and Pauls, a church full of them.
So if these writers have a practical solution we can all get behind I'm all for it. I'd really like to know about it and see it discussed. But Christians should be seeking total all out submission to God in any case, in order to know His will and obey it. Our typical half-committed, self-directed, God-as-an-afterthought kind of Christianity isn't going to cut it in the times that are coming. We may be saved and still be ineffective in this world against such evil as has been growing in the last decades. Effectiveness takes immersion in God, total Holy Spirit power, not just salvation. Merely human means avail nothing.
CJ..I couldn't agree more with this: "It's probably not important how we label the problem at the moment. It's leftist and fascist both and may very well be a lot like pre-Hitler Germany, but whatever it is it is death to the Constitution and death to America and we all know that without the labels."
Conservatives probably need to DEFINE the problem without those labels so it's more acceptable and less extreme-sounding.....We still need to emphasize the terrible threat but NOT necessarily label it with names like NAZI, Socialism, etc. (except....!)
Perhaps THIS is what we conservatives have been searching for when we say we have to regroup; we need to STOP caving into political correctness and insults AND we have to start better alerting people, with facts and figures, about where this country seems to be going.
And we CAN DO IT.
How?
There has never in human history been a "right-wing totalitarian" government. Such a term belongs on a list of oxymorons like "jumbo shrimp" and "leftist intellectual."
Simply put, you can't get to totalitarianism by seeking an essentially laissez faire economic policy. You're sure as hell not going to get there advocating private ownership of anything, from homes to guns to defend those homes.
Nazism was entirely a product of early 20th Century "progressive" leftist ideology and no rational discussion of the rise of Hitler should avoid the fact that the Nazis were as left-wing as you could get in the world of their time, and not much has changed. Even their anti-Semitism came straight out of Marx's writings.
I suspect we'll call the next whiff of totalitarian leftism "Obamaism."
There has never been a totalitarian government in history that went away without some help from angry people with guns.
I'm definitely going to be picking up this book.
We have the athiests going mainstream and advertising on public transportation, attacking Christmas. A few years ago they would not have felt comfortable doing this.
This leftist nuttiness is more closely related to fascism than it is to communism in so many ways. Obama's reference to a "civilian police force" was jarring. Not only that, but during one of the debates Obama was challenged on his health care plan repeatedly, and he said this more than once, "I'll (and once "we'll") let you keep the plan you already have if...".
Can you imagine THAT?! In the U.S. of A. some pompous, preening sonofabitch is telling me he'd "LET me keep the plan I already have if.." Well thanks a whole hell of a lot dear FU@#$%# leader! This guy's dangerous.
Morgan
GREAT post Beamish. Lest we ever forget, the word Nazi is short for National Socialism and Hitler considered himself a man of the left. At times he called himself a socialist, yet he claimed to loath communism, for whatever that's worth.
Doesn't Obama remind you of the wannabe ruler of some banana republic?
This is really important! Barack wants to impose the "Fairness Doctrine" ASAP! Pay attention folks, this is only his first assault against the Bill Of Rights. Freedom of political Speech is protected in the 1st Amendment, and the 2nd Amendment is there to protect the 1st! Get your weapons ready folks...
Morgan
Not discuss Christian faith? Where did you ever get the idea you can't discuss it?
Discuss away but don't expect that intelligent people are going to accept all of your dogma.
That's the deal. You don't want to discuss your faith. You want a Protestant theocracy.
No can do.
cj is right on a major point. It must begin with a true Christian revival and the church returning to the Bible. The Bible is Obama's and the Left's worst enemy and that's why they hate it so much.
The problem is when the state replaces God as the final authority. It doesn't matter whether the Government is Socialist, Nazi, or Neo-Feudal. A government that does not recognize a power than the government is going to become a tyranny. It's inevitable. Any political messiah is going to be an anti-christ (lower case), even if they are not The Anti-Christ (Upper Case).
The government can only do so much to improve our lives and they passed the point of diminishing returns long ago. Once they pass that point they only make things worse. I am NOT an absolute Libertarian but I do want to see the government have less power over the economy and property (not ZERO power but LESS power.) A lot of our current problems have been caused by government meddling.
shoprat, the government just spent eight years exerting minimal influence on the economy.
How'd that work out for you?
Now you imagine that a nation wide legion of brown shirts is going to be legislated. It's a paranoia that I just can't understand.
Something like allowing two men to form a permanent loving union will destroy the institution of marriage. The right just never makes any sense. They operate off a dogma that the rest of us can't understand and we expect you are going to become violent now that you are so marginalized, frankly.
shoprat, the government just spent eight years exerting minimal influence on the economy.
duhkkky, you mean like when they forced banks to make those bad loans?
laissez faire?
interesting
It's important to at least consider what's happening.
beamish...good points...but the Leftwing profs got there first and have rewritten history and rewritten motives, etc...truth doesn't matter....and our kids have lapped it up. This is why our textbooks need fixing. We can't still be teaching FDR knew about Pearl Harbor, etc.etc...But, we are.
Chuck...pretty amazing. Imagine having buses with "Jesus Saves" on the signs! How long it would take for them to come down after lawsuits!?
Shoprat: Seems like the tyranny's coming, but our kids are so weakened by leftist indoctrination I don't see us standing up to it; plus, so many ARE depending on government ..obama's been a virtual IDEA KING in that direction..
And most Christians are too afraid to speak out....the secularists sound so much more INTELLECTUAL, SO much more ALL ENCOMPASSING, so utterly insulting of Christianity (I include Jews here, by the way).. This is what we have to fight against, this ridiculous, silly thing that every Socialist country started with...NO GOD.
Morgan; I remember hearing obama talk like that...sent chills down my spine. Imagine people not hearing that? It's subtle but it's his mindset. "I am NOW KING"
Ducky..remind us of when any anti-gay marriage advocate, CHristian or not, said gay marriage threatened straight marriage, because I have never heard that used on our side. Only the gay agenda says that over and over again. Silly, really. Who's threatened? See, we can disagree on loftier grounds than 'THREATENED'...there are values, traditions. We want to uphold those.
I have deleted the excellent critiques against Catholic dogma here because I find it rather unseemly, and I'm asking you again to stop the Protestant slamming. It's making you look silly and boring me.
Thanks.
It's a very dangerous world, and we're beginning to see it, when God is mocked as badly as is happening now.
By the way, regarding gov't regulations? Bush DID warn about the housing problem, so did McCain and other Republican senators (i think some Dems signed it, too...Obama did not) warning of the Freddie and Fanny situation and how badly they needed oversight.
Hamas hitting Israel...
Russia putting PUtin back in and insisting we remove ABMs..
Ahmedinejad sends congratulations to obama.
You feeling warm and fuzzy for your vote? ridiculous. Sad that we good people will be so impacted, too, we who knew better.
Your nieces joining the Civilian Corps obama's planning on? You think he'll arm that corps before or after he disarms Americans?
elmer, not to belabor the point but nobody was forced to make loans.
The CRA merely made it illegal to discriminate against qualified minority applicants. It was very succesful and banks found minority neighborhoods to be good customers.
Note the the act covered commercial banks who were subject to loan qualification regulations and the CRA loans were standard 30 year fixed. These loans have not been a problem.
Let me know how you see it.
Ducky..remind us of when any anti-gay marriage advocate, CHristian or not, said gay marriage threatened straight marriage, because I have never heard that used on our side.
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Let's start with the proposed Defense of Marriage Act.
Come on, z, don't play Mickey the Dunce. You know that's your primary weapon along with a sentence in Leviticus.
Ducky, it's not Leviticus, it's decency. Thanks.
As for DEFENSE of MARRIAGE...that is the short term for the bill Clinton signed,you are absolutely right. Silly, isn't it? As I said before, I have never heard a straight couple say their marriage is threatened by gay marriage..
As for your comment to Elbro about nobody having to? Ya, you should see the video of Daniel Mudd quaking in his boots at the Black Caucus meeting promising they'd get what they've wanted...calling them "the conscience of Congress!" Ya...no pressure, Ducky!!!!!
Why yes, z, the Defense of Marriage Act was signed by well known conservative (whom you think is a leftist for some bizarre reason) Bill Clinton.
Now ponder the name. How is not blocking gays from marrying a "Defense of Marriage"? Just how are you "Defending" marriage. If you don't perceive a threat then why are you on defense?
As for CRA. Again, the legislation did not force any loans to be made to unqualified borrowers.
Also, the mortgage market collapsed because the bubble had people making no money down loans on inflated housing. Then credit derivatives were leveraged at 50 to 1 on top of that quicksand. The market failed, pure and simple.
Greed, and it is so important to you to blindly defend this mess that you say that a few loans to minorities tanked the world financial system.
You rather find a scapegoat than think.
from Wikipedia concerning the CRA
CRA regulations give community groups the right to comment on or protest about banks' non-compliance with CRA, including by alleging violations of the Equal Credit Opportunity Act.[8] Such comments could help or hinder banks' planned expansions. Groups at first only slowly took advantage of these rights.[16] Regulatory changes during the Clinton administration allowed these community groups better access to CRA information and enabled them to increase their activities
sounds coercve to me
The whole point of the CRA was to pressure banks into making loans with one eye on financial risk and the other on the "common good" goal of putting lower-income citizens into homes. Regrettably lower-income citizens are frequently lousy credit risks
coercive
Even if a bank is able to satisfy its nonprofit partners that it is meeting its CRA obligations, it continues to be under the watchful eye of its federal regulators. That regulator could be the FDIC, the Federal Reserve, the Office of Thrift Supervision or the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency, depending upon the bank's charter.
Examiners from a bank's regulatory agency periodically measure performance against the CRA obligations that the bank agreed to, and penalize those institutions that fall short. Banks could fulfill those obligations both through lending and services, such as having staff serve on nonprofit boards or provide financial-literacy training in the communities they operate in, according to the FDIC's Marshall.
Even if one conceded your point duhkkky that the CRA worked "well" is it laissez faire to have so much government intervention?
Greed, and it is so important to you to blindly defend this mess that you say that a few loans to minorities tanked the world financial system.
not minorities, just people who were bad credit risks
Duhkkky my neighborhood is four years old and half the houses are either empty, for sale or are rented
it has nothing to do with the color of your skin...my neighborhood is very diverse
I agree that in part it was due to people taking a risk and trying to make money
but I don't think they should be bailed out nor do I think it's a bad thing to risk making money but it's STILL risk and there are consequences to taking those risks
if I or my kids make a bad decision (financial or otherwise) then we live with the consequences of that bad decision
Ducky...too silly to comment.
I'll let you know when I feel DEFENSE is the stance anybody needs to take on gay marriage....i didn't name the bill, somebody else did.
Elbro's doing a great job, learn something.
all that "predatory" lending
It seems some states are penalizing banks for foreclosing now.
The fund would be built on a $2,000 impact fee charged to lenders who foreclose on subprime loans,
and this from Wikipedia:
“The U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development’s mortgage policies fueled the trend towards issuing risky loans.[95][96] In 1995, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac began receiving affordable housing credit for purchasing mortgage backed securities which included loans to low income borrowers. This resulted in the agencies purchasing subprime securities.[97] Subprime mortgage loan originations surged by 25% per year between 1994 and 2003, resulting in a nearly ten-fold increase in the volume of these loans in just nine years.[98] In 1996 the Housing and Urban Development (HUD) agency directed Freddie and Fannie to provide at least 42% of their mortgage financing to borrowers with income below the median in their area. This target was increased to 50% in 2000 and 52% in 2005. In addition, HUD required Freddie and Fannie to provide 12% of their portfolio to “special affordable” loans. Those are loans to borrowers with less than 60% of their area’s median income.[99] Naturally, these targets increased over the years with the 2008 target being 28%. At a hearing in 2003, Barney Frank explicitly stated that Fannie and Freddie’s government privileges were conditional on their willingness “to make housing more affordable.”
Hardly a “complete indictment” of the “free-market” theology. Unless you consider government meddling in the market “free market”
duhkkky
I'll concede to not understanding it all but it seems that a lot of people in government haven't seemed to grasp the issue in its entirety
"That's the deal. You don't want to discuss your faith. You want a Protestant theocracy."
How ridiculous. Christians didn't take exception to non Christians until they began to assault everything Christian.
I hate to tell you this Ducky, but before these assaults took place we did not have a protestant theocracy, so why would we want one now.
We did recognize Christian celebrations in the public square, which is not the same as a theocracy. No one was forced to be Christian, or to observe Christian religious services.
There is nothing wrong with a public recognition of the predominant Christian population.
What we had was freedom of religion. Now what we have is a concerted, relentless effort by the ACLU and the left to demonize Christians, and everything Christian. The hate is palpable, and dangerous. I believe this was done to the Jews in Germany, was it not? The difference is, Christians here are in the majority.
To say otherwise is to deny what is staring you in the face.
BTW, since when aren't Catholics Christians? That's news to me.
Pris
Ducky lied:
"As for CRA. Again, the legislation did not force any loans to be made to unqualified borrowers."
Bovine squeeze! That's EXACTLY what it did!
"Also, the mortgage market collapsed because the bubble had people making no money down loans on inflated housing. Then credit derivatives were leveraged at 50 to 1 on top of that quicksand. The market failed, pure and simple.
Greed, and it is so important to you to blindly defend this mess that you say that a few loans to minorities tanked the world financial system."
The market would not have failed, "pure and simple" had it been allowed to work free of leftist arm-twisting! It's an obscenity that people like Chris Dodd and Barney effing Frank get to pontificate about "greedy" mortgage companies and Wall Street executives while they should be DOING TIME for their role in losing TRILLIONS of dollars! I don't want to EVER hear from those as----es again unless they're under oath!
Morgan
oh, man, Pris...I was thinking of that this morning and thought Ducky won't even get it....you're right; Christians did not act, they REacted.
And, yes, apparently one can be Catholic and not believe a LOT of the only book which informs the faith. Go figure.
Morgan: SPOT ON. But, it won't sink in...if people wanted to listen, they'd not have voted for THE ONE!
Z the only way to handle the most obvious leftist lies is with logic. They NEVER win logical arguments, which is why they woirk overtime to shut down conservative talk radio. Here's the truth of the mortgage matter that the left tries to obscure.
1. The Community Reinvestment Act DID in fact require mortgage lenders to make a certain number (or % depending on the area) of loans to "subprime" borrowers in order to do business in a given area. If they refused to do the racially motivated bad business, they were prohibited from opening other branches and lending to other borrowers, etc.. Andrew Cuomo is ON TAPE talking about this. Gawd the lefties must ABHOR recording devices!
2. Ask yourself this simple question: Who in their RIGHT mind is going to lend money to someone who they KNOW won't pay it back?
Answer: Someone who's forced to by the government, and has been guaranteed that a gse like Fanny or Freddy will buy the bad debt!
This is OBSCENE and unforgiveable government interfence in the free market and SURPRISE it's causing HORRIBLE problems!
Morgan
Z,
If you get the book and read it, will you send me your evaluation of it?
BTW, since when aren't Catholics Christians? That's news to me.
Google "Cadaver Synod."
beamish, I swear...you KILL me!!
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