I'm wondering what you think....Here's a bit from the article I linked below. Lindsay Lohan is admitting she's, well...not a lesbian, exactly...but just 'blessed' to feel comfortable with her bartender girlfriend.
"While Samantha is the first woman Lindsay has admitted to dating publicly, when asked if she had previously "been with a girl" by Harper's, the actress replied, "I don't know, maybe."
Lindsay said she does not consider herself a lesbian, but as for whether she thinks of herself as bisexual, she told the magazine, "maybe."
"I don't want to classify myself," she continued. "First of all, you never know what's going to happen -- tomorrow, in a month, a year from now, five years from now. I appreciate people, and it doesn't matter who they are, and I feel blessed to be able to feel comfortable enough with myself that I can say that."
The star of the upcoming film "Labor Pains" also said she plans to get married some day, though she doesn't know whether it would be to a man or a woman."
"I think even though this show is a little out there, thats what makes it so great. So many shows on right now are all the same. This is a great show and it needs to stay on so there is a little variety on tv.
"This show is AMAZING and original. The show is unlike many others out today. The storyline is very unique and it is something for people who are outside of the mainstream and are tired of the same old shows/concepts."
"We record and watch on Tuesdays (nothing else is on). I love the 70’s feel and freedom of the show…just what we need today."
It's a TONE I'm talking about here.....not really the actions. Everyone knows all of this has been going on since the dawn of man. Is it better OUT THERE? Or is it really pretty destructive in the long run, sort of Roman Empire Fall fodder?
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How vile.
Lindsay Lohan aside, I believe the "Swingtown" thing is deeply offensive to married couples who honor their partners!
We just keep lowering the bar, and desensitizing ourselves to debauchery...
Our girls rarely get to watch any live TV. We stick mainly to things we recorded on DVR and skip the commercials as they are at least 25% about viagara and the like. Their idea of a TV star is Mike Rowe or Bear Grylls or anyone in a Kansas City Chiefs or Seattle Seahawks jersey. We are very open with our girls on any issue they bring up and have always talked to them as adults but there is no need to have the shows you talk about here as part of our dialogue.
First, I don’t really care what consenting adults do in the privacy of their lives. But I do resent having behavior I find abhorrent stuffed down my throat. The media, beginning with Hollywood, have publicized this crap for so long now, queer is normal and before long, heterosexuals will be the “odd” couples.
All media is guilty of this, from the advertisers who publish women prancing about in their skivvies, to Yahoo headlines, to the film moguls — who no one ever accused to having morality, and if the truth were known, they are probably pursuing their own personal agenda.
It isn’t enough that these people seek to normalize abnormal behavior, now they have to insist that partner swapping is somehow accepted social behavior. They want us to think infidelity is “good” for relationships. How stupid is that? What’s next, dogs marrying cats? Well, I hope all these morons catch cooties.
Brooke..debauchery is the new culture of America..i hate it.
Pops, I hope there are many more parents like you..
Mustang, exactly right; PRIVACY is what I'm talking about here. And Imagine, 30 years ago, a young woman with the desire or need to discuss this stuff? IMAGINE?? She'd have died of shame.
I still think shame is a very beneficial emotion....and a disappearing one.
It's all about the ratings. Do I condone this type of behavior? No. Do I feel that this type of television series is offensive to individuals who are all about love and trust? Yes.
However, do I feel that this is what society wants to watch? Yes. If it isn't then the show will be taken off the air. It always goes back to making the most money possible.
Would you rather watch a movie where everyone is happy in life and everything perfect? No, that's dull and boring. Viewers want something to watch that's going to have some sort of controversy.
Sadly, it does have an affect on our society. Especially younger children.
As far as Lohan, I don't think the poor child is real bright. I find the way she acts now kind of sad. I remember how she was such a cute kid in the Disney movies she did. I agree with Papa Franks, I get tired of trying to shield my daughter from inappropriate ads on tv, some on children's programming. And don't even try to watch sports or the news.
It's destructive. Your instincts were right. It's the same reason I oppose gay marriage. Just another idea that tears at the fabric of society.
Morgan
She certainly isn't the brightest star in the sky is she? These people doing and saying atrocious things in the press seem to not realize that someday their children and grandchildren will see this stuff. I would be embarassed to death but they don't seem to care at all. Well, news flash: God cares.
AA is absolutely correct! Our society no longer has any pride; no sense of shame. Without either, we will sink into an abyss of filth.
Sam
It makes you sound like you have not yet lost your mind...
I agree with everything which has been said.
In addition I might add, this L. Lohan is a lying piece of xxxx, about four weeks ago she was about to marry her girlfriend (German newspaper reporting).
The status of moral decay can only be compared to the latter days of the Roman Empire, and you know what happened to them.
Mr.Z
::sigh::
TV is just plain nasty.
We watch the History Channel, A&E on occasion, and some sports. No more sit-coms.
I just found out about Lohan about two weeks ago.
Seriously, I may be the least informed person in America when it comes to celebrities, and I LOVE IT! ;-)
Yes, Z, it's now cool to divulge everything. It's sexy to show it all and do it all. Don't they know that less is more? Ugh!
They can do what they like in the privacy of their homes but when they willing drag it out into the public, then they shouldn't cry when some of us are critical of them. If they don't want criticism then go away and don't tell us about it. But that's not really it, they want to shove this down our throats and make us accept it. No thanks, i say.
Any behavior destructive to the nuclear family is bound to be a hit with the New Left. They wish to build a new "non-family" based society, where everyone's equal and familial roles are not necessary nor limited or constrained in any way by their sex. So what can be more progressive than that? Only time will tell.
Just the "free market" in action.
It's much cheaper to pander to the least common denominator and the business model makes it mandatory.
Ain't no way out.
We should go back to the Hays Code days. State censorship.
But even then you get discussions of homosexuality. Someone tell me that it wasn't perfectly obvious that the Edward G. Robinson gangster kingpin in "Little Caesar" wasn't gay.
Artists always manage to find a way (look at the present Iranian film industry or the Polish New Wave). It's just that censorship keeps serious discussion of topics from a wide audience
Las Vegas Guy...that cracked me up! Thanks....I think you're probably right, but, I tell you, it literally seems to be getting harder and harder to live in this society.
I was practicing my insomnia routine again last night (!) and saw a GIRLS GONE WILD commercial....I could NOT BELIEVE what was going on. We all see the "See my BREASTS!?" clips (and have become inured to it, right? As Brooke describes in her comment?)...but this was QUITE something different.
Have you seen a feminine product TROJAN makes, folks? For 'female satisfaction'? ONe night (again practicing insomnia!) I saw an ad and QUITE LITERALLY thought I'd stumbled on a very nasty SNL bit... BUt, it was REAL.. I couldn't believe it.
Ahhh. Ducky...so it's that FREE MARKET you hate so much which CAUSES people to be debauched...CAUSED Lindsay Lohan's gayness, too, you think?!
As for Little Caesar, who CARES? if it's that subtle, what's the point? Always makes me laugh when I hear things like this. WHo really CARES? YOU're the one so intent on outing everybody you can think of..with the least provocation, you OPEN MINDED thinker, you!!!!
As for Hays? Ya, I know you're being sarcastic but yes, I do believe our society would be well served with some kind of standards. And no, I don't know who'd set them. I'm hoping it wouldn't be someone who doesn't have children.
"serious discussions" of smut are just silly. Those attending J*esus in P*ss had some probably very dandy, EVERY intellectual conversations at Elaine's after that VERY CHIC opening , huh? that kind, we can do without.
By the way, if you want a SCREAMING laugh at your leftist elitist 'intellectuals', watch Anthony Bourdain's new show where he grabs NYC liberals and talks about things like "Is $900 too much to pay for suchi for two?" I have NEVER been shown QUITE so elitist, so SNOBBISH, so VACCUOUS a conversation. (these OPEN MINDED, BLEEDING HEART libs decided it wasn't, of course...not if THEY can enjoy it) That, too, looked like an SNL bit...it was really REALLY sad to think they honestly meant what they were saying..you have to watch it.
Did you hear how Obama discussed with people some private things said between him and Bush? The WH is very disappointed that he didn't seem to understand that some things said in private should stay there....
Doesn't bode well for leaks from the WH and/or the NYTimes, huh? Especially when CLINTON himself described Rohm Emanuel as THE BIGGEST MOUTH IN THE WH? OH, boy... now we have to fear for our lives due to gaffs and self aggrandizement "See what I KNOW!?"
Ahhh. Ducky...so it's that FREE MARKET you hate so much which CAUSES people to be debauched...CAUSED Lindsay Lohan's gayness, too, you think?!
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My feelings about the free market aren't relevant here. I am saying that if our broadcast and entertainment media are profit driven then they must pitch most of their product to the least common denominator. If sex sells, then they sell it. If gay innuendo sells, then they sell that
It is not surprising to me that you are a censorship advocate. Right wingers are serious authoritarians.
What surprises me is that you block venues that present a higher quality mature entertainment. If something like NPR or PBS tries it you get all upset. Subsidized media scare you silly even as you complain about free market excess.
As things stand there will never be anything but a niche for quality. Bad drives out good and when you have near monopoly distribution venues then you watch as pretty much everything sinks.
Of course with your censorship scheme I don't doubt for an instant that there would be no differentiation between a piece of crap like "Swingtown" and a film like "Jules and Jim" that manages to discuss a menage and come out against that fake "sexual freedom".
Not a lot of maturity out there and preventing a free exposure to ideas just stunts growth whether it is censorship or free market control of media. Maturity comes with choices and an opportunity to be exposed to quality. Shielding people from ideas is counter productive.
Ducky, you're the one who mentioned free market, not I.
You said:
It is not surprising to me that you are a censorship advocate. Right wingers are serious authoritarians.
I ADVOCATE STANDARDS. I HAD NO IDEA STANDARDS WERE REPUBLICAN.
What surprises me is that you block venues that present a higher quality mature entertainment. If something like NPR or PBS tries it you get all upset. Subsidized media scare you silly even as you complain about free market excess.
'I BLOCK VENUES' WHAT? NPR AND PBS ARE LEFT-LEANING TO THE POINT WHERE IT'S ABSURD. IMAGINE YOUR SUBSIDIZING SEAN HANNITY? TRY IT, SEE HOW IT FEELS TO YOU.
THIS ISN'T FREE MARKET EXCESS...ABSOLUTELY NOT.
As things stand there will never be anything but a niche for quality. Bad drives out good and when you have near monopoly distribution venues then you watch as pretty much everything sinks.
FUNNY, BUT SHOWS WHICH ARE UPLIFTING ARE BARELY SHOWN. HOW ABOUT GIVING THEM A CHANCE? I KNOW MANY PEOPLE SCREAMING FOR THE OLD SHOWS LIKE CAROL BURNETT, ED SULLIVAN...NOT THERE.
I AM ABSOLUTELY NOT OF THE MIND THAT ART FOLLOWS LIFE...TODAY, LIFE IS FOLLOWING 'ART'. TODAY, YOUR IDEA OF 'ART' HAS LOOSENED SOMETHING MY WHOLE POST WAS ABOUT; ACCEPTING THE DEBAUCHED, THE INDELICATE, THOSE THINGS WHICH SHOULD BE KEPT IN PRIVATE.
DO YOU REALLY THINK 20 YR OLD COEDS WERE DYING TO RIP THEIR BLOUSES OFF IN FRONT OF THE FOOTBALL TEAM AND HAVE ORAL SEX AT 14 AND THEY WERE JUST REPRESSED BECAUSE THEIR RADIO OR TV SHOWS DIDN'T ADVOCATE IT? REALLY??
Of course with your censorship scheme I don't doubt for an instant that there would be no differentiation between a piece of crap like "Swingtown" and a film like "Jules and Jim" that manages to discuss a menage and come out against that fake "sexual freedom".
I DON'T KNOW JULES AND JIM...HOW CAN ANYONE NOT SEE A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN CRAP LIKE SWINGTOWN AND A FILM THAT SHOWS WHAT A FAKE 'FREEDOM' IS? ARE YOU SUGGESTING ANYONE FOR DECENCY CAN'T ENTERTAIN THE THOUGHT OF A SENSITIVE FILM THAT DEALS WITH IMPORTANT TOPICS? YOU SEE NO DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A WEEKLY TV SHOW WHICH CHILDERN CAN ACCIDENTALLY STUMBLE UPON, ONE WHICH ADVOCATES CRAP AND AN ART FILM SEEN IN THEATRES? WOW.
Not a lot of maturity out there and preventing a free exposure to ideas just stunts growth whether it is censorship or free market control of media. Maturity comes with choices and an opportunity to be exposed to quality. Shielding people from ideas is counter productive.
SHIELDING PEOPLE FROM CRAP IS NOT UNPRODUCTIVE.
Well, sometimes I get mad at the Baptists up here, because this is a pretty straight laced place where I live. You can't buy a beer or a glass of wine here, we have no bars or clubs, no pool halls, things like that. All of which, I might indulge in once in awhile if they were here. But I have to say, thinking about it, that I don't want to live in a place where all these things people are talking about go on. So I guess you give a little to get a little. People who don't like a life style I consider "decent" don't have to live up here, they can go to places like San Francisco.
My husband and I were silly enough to give 'Swingtown' a shot. Of course, there are no children in our home ... otherwise it would NOT have been allowed on my TV. But the show was more creepy than anything else: made me feel like {{maybe}} I was watching my parents and THAT was a vision I could do without, thankya very much!
ya know z i get the feeling lohan's lesbain-ism was simply an act to show she was sympathetic to the gay community. just like micheal stipe of r.e.m. who became gay just so he could be viewed as being a better liberal. or she, lohan, could of just announced this as another publicity stunt. ah what the heck it probably is the latter.... i think americans have shown a tolerence to show's you exmapled but they do have a boundry they do not like crossed. so i wouldn't loss face in the decency of our humanity just yet!!!
Well, you all have to admit that there was an overall defeat for the far right agenda in ballot initiatives this year.
Question 8 is getting all the focus but gay marriage is legal now in Connecticut and it's becoming clear that the Northeast is going to be the tip of the spear on this issue. It is far from over.
Marijuana decriminalization passed in the two states that had it on the ballot.
Assisted suicide passed in Washington state.
Restrictive abortion laws were voted down in relatively conservative states (Colorado and South Dakota).
Oregon rejected a measure to limit bilingual education.
So outside the gay marriage bans progressives pretty much ran the table. But I don't think these decisions were a result of our boring juvenile media.
The progressives among you are elsewhere.
Ducky, what you don't seem to understand is that not all "progression" is good.
God is good, and a lot of us won't go against his teachings.
Yes, it's a stunning thought that America would STILL stand on the incredible Christian faith which founded and made this country great, I know....but not for me, it isn't. The decline in our country started with the mocking and then decline of church.
do the math. Thanks, you ought to be so proud of being progressive...killing oneself, doing dope legally, marrying someone of the same sex. My goodness..WHAT a better America.
Well, the thing is , z that you don't get to make the decision. Frankly when evangelical Protestants are in a decision making position they do play the role of a vengeful angry god.
I wonder why it is sane to give someone a permanent arrest record for having a small amount of weed, take up court time etc. rather than just confiscate the stuff and write a ticket. Prohibition has been a losing battle.
As for gay marriage. Well, this life isn't worth much if it isn't shared and to deny two people that opportunity in a binding relationship doesn't make any sense to me.
It's particularly hypocritical to hide behind slogans like "defending marriage" when we all know what the deal is.
Someone has an incurable disease and is a burden and or in great pain and you want to make the decision? Sorry, I'm going to go with free will here.
Also I'll point out that the founders were largely products of the enlightenment and therefore they were deists or pantheists. We were not formed on the tenets of the modern evangelical Protestant church which is a much more contemporary institution.
Good or bad but small town, "real America" (what gall) got trounced this year and it is a trend which will likely continue. To reverse it you have to offer something of value and your image of God as an avenging deity ain't gonna do. It just isn't.
"Right wingers are serious authoritarians."
Britain already has the world's largest DNA database and greatest number of CCTV cameras.
Guess who runs Britain and has been for the last decade.
Thanks for making my point, Ducky.
It's not up to US. The answers were given to us.
And, I promise, I will never criticize your faith as you CONSTANTLY do mine. It's just not in me...
...and Ducky? OH, could I. Thanks.
Ducky....the reason why I won't is that it's unseemly and in terribly bad taste.
Shameful and small minded.
No good Christian should criticize another denomination. To say nothing of the fact that many of the things you detest are things your faith champions.
And, by the way, who's ever said gay marriage protestors are 'defending' straight marriage? It needs no defense! Matter of fact, nobody on that side's ever said it threatens straight marriage, either...it's just another Saul Alinksy rule in play. You should wise up. Finally.
I'm trying to figure out why, as a fiscal conservative myself, I am ecstatic that the evangelical protestants are no longer in the position to dictate this country's path. Is it the vast amounts of time these people spend in front of their computers obsessing about sex? Is it the fact that they talk about homosexuality as though it were an illness? Or is it their sheer hysteria? Hmmm...I don't know...
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