Friday, March 18, 2011

Oil....why didn't they listen to Republicans?

Here is Alaska's Rep. Don Young in 2008 trying to get America's politicians to finally approve more drilling..

Yes, he's Alaskan, yes, Alaska has a lot to gain by our drilling there.......his point is, SO HAS AMERICA.

If they'd drilled when Clinton wouldn't sign the bill, how do you think things would be different today?



beamish said...

10 years away from seeing a net effect on domestic oil production is 9 years away next year if we start today.

4.5 years away next year if we double the effort.

Doing nothing keeps 10 years away perpetually 10 years away.

Scotty said...

It's not just a matter of drilling, we need more and newer refineries too! I'm relying on memory here(at MY age can be dangerous!) but if it serves me I think the last refinery was built sometime in the 70's. If I'm wrong I think somebody here can correct that fact.

From what I understand, the present refineries are operating under full capacities, when not down for repairs and the like.....

Always On Watch said...

I'm so fed up with several administrations for not getting us off the Middle East oil teat.

As the costs of oil and oil products soar, every single one of us will be affected and our budgets stretched to the breaking point.

Always On Watch said...

Beamish is exactly correct.

Continue to do nothing, and nothing will ever be accomplished.

Perpetual postponement!

Ducky's here said...

Sorry AOW, but the issue is global demand. We have to get off dependence on oil, not dependence on Middle East oil.

Folks are starting to short the dollar, if they're right you're going to see that heating bill of yours jump so high you'll have to have the thermostat at 60.

Always On Watch said...

60 degrees for the thermostat is a no-go because of Mr. AOW's physical state.

That said, I do have a plot of land with woods on it. I can do a lot of culling and have the necessary fireplace.

I will concede that global demand is part of the issue with oil.

Of course, the price of oil would not be so high were there not so many federal (EPA) regulations.

You said: We have to get off dependence on oil, not dependence on Middle East oil.

I won't dispute that point for now.

Let's hear the workable plans for that.

Z said...

If they'd only listened...but the caribou came before people, as usual.

Z said...

On the subject below this post about the media misrepresenting the truth, I was watching ABC's morning show this morning for ten minutes and the headling 'crawl' across the bottom of the screen said

Radiation worries spread to US

WHILE the expert was saying that a cloud could come this far but it will be so dissipated by the time it arrives it will have absolutely no harmful effects.

You can't make this stuff up.

Z said...

(that's the 'expert' on the screen above the crawl, by the way! Saying what he's saying while the crawl the news writer wrote was contradicting him)

beamish said...

the issue is global demand. We have to get off dependence on oil, not dependence on Middle East oil.


Counting shale and untapped reserves in the Artic and offshore, America's got a 400+ year supply of oil nobody's dependent on because it isn't tapped.

Which means we can achieve independence from foreign supplies AND have a few centuries to come up with something else in the meantime.

Your argument, as with all things left-wing, falls apart when exposed to reality.

Z said...

I heard a woman this morning on TV talking about how we have to get off oil, off coal, limit nuclear power, etc...
Stuart Varney kept asking "What will we RUN ON?"

Her answer was "Oh, Stuart, do you think America isn't smart enough to handle that?"

"But what will our country USE if you and Obama and others don't like any of the energy sources we so sorely need?"

Her answer was "Stuart, we have faith in America! Don't YOU? Windmills, solar, limited nuclear and coal...don't you think we should do everything we CAN to keep ourselves safe?...are you against keeping us safe?"

The arguments are SO amazing...and the constant inference she used to avoid his questioning....ugh.
He has NO FAITH IN AMERICA because he's trying to KEEP AMERICA RUNNING!?
Ah, windmills....look it up, when will this administration learn they DON'T WORK VERY EFFECTIVELY?
This is a subject Mr. Z knew very well (among a million other subjects!) and he dealt with people investing in windmills..until they looked INTO it, that is.

Meanwhile, Obama wants to build a fast-speed train because they can't get any riders for Amtrak :-)


Z said...

Beamish, 'a few centuries' is right if you consider the vast amounts of oil we have...
I wish you could have seen the conversation I paraphrased'd have put your foot through your TV screen!

Z said...

Scotty, you're right...they can't just drill without building refineries.

beamish said...


When the end of the world is finally certain, there will be a series of live coverage and on the spot analysis as it occurs, as well as flashback montages of past end of the world scares that didn't pan out.

"We go now live to Anderson Cooper on the border of Israel and Lebanon, as forces assemble for Armageddon. Anderson... how are things there?"

"Well Piers, it's horrible. Rivers of blood up to your neck. The carnage, the stench of death. I've never seen anything quite like it..."

Z said...

Beamish..good thing WE'll all be GONE!! (heh!)

Anonymous said...

“We have to get off dependence on oil, not dependence on Middle East oil.”

I think this is an honest statement; it ranks up there with, “Good boys and girls never lie.” Our problem, however, is cultural, technological, and political. AOW is right to observe that successive administrations have kicked the can down the road, and each kick delays domestic oil production by that many years, plus ten. Culturally, we are a mobile people. We were that even before mechanical transportation. Our mobility created even more business opportunities for people of vision, from restaurant franchises to motor hotels. Who could have imagined in 1920 a chain of stop and rob convenience stores?

We seem to lack the political will to energize industry into developing viable solutions to our fuel problems. Our leftists in government, including the RINOs, would much rather tax the crap out of industry than offer them incentives leading to much-needed solutions. Our federal government doesn’t mind the take, but it isn’t very big on give …

What kinds of ideas does government have? They like spending ideas; whatever will cost taxpayers the most money. As an example: Sen. Bill Nelson (Leftist, FL) wanted to borrow billions to construct a rapid rail system between Tampa and Orlando; never mind that taxpayers have already spend that much on the I-4 Corridor. Never mind that driving will get you there sooner and cheaper than rapid rail …

Technologically, no one in this country is interested in paying $40 to $60K for an electric car with a range of 100 miles. No self-respecting heterosexual wants to drive a Smart Car because they aren’t safe, and they certainly aren’t cool. Driving a Vespa in Buffalo may not work in the winter months. Now if properly energized, our automotive industry (laughing at my own joke) might develop a hydrogen propelled Jetson’s car one day, and Americans might go for something like that.

Our founding fathers decided that the proper role of federal government is to provide a healthy environment for innovative design and production of marketable goods for the American people and foreign consumers. We do not have a government that leads … we have a government that pushes—and too often in the wrong direction.

Z said...

Man, Mustang, great post "I think this is an honest statement; it ranks up there with, “Good boys and girls never lie.” Our problem, however, is cultural, technological, and political."

and the rest of your comment was excellent, I'd said, "If ONLY they listened to Republicans..."

Think we can ever overcome what we're facing now? They've been shown that Alaska drilling is NOT dangerous to the environment, they know now how much oil is in the Midwest, etc etc... what more do they need?

Scotty said...

A short tidbit about the Chevy Volt about Consumers Report findings:

Another reason they aren’t exactly flying off the lots is because, well, they have some problems. In a telling attempt to preserve battery power, the heater is exceedingly weak. Consumer Reports averaged a paltry 25 miles of electric-only running, in part because it was testing in cold Connecticut. (My engineer at the Auto Show said cold weather would have little effect.)

It will be interesting to see what the range is on a hot, traffic-jammed summer day, when the air conditioner will really tax the batteries. When the gas engine came on, Consumer Reports got about 30 miles to the gallon of premium fuel; which, in terms of additional cost of high-test gas, drives the effective mileage closer to 27 mpg. A conventional Honda ( HMC – news – people ) Accord, which seats 5 (instead of the Volt’s 4), gets 34 mpg on the highway, and costs less than half of what CR paid, even with the tax break.

Scotty said...

As an example: Sen. Bill Nelson (Leftist, FL) wanted to borrow billions to construct a rapid rail system between Tampa and Orlando; never mind that taxpayers have already spend that much on the I-4 Corridor. Never mind that driving will get you there sooner and cheaper than rapid rail …

Thank God our new governor keeps shutting it down!! The residents don't want it either, but that never seems to bother politicians from still forcing things on us!!

It's makes my heart go pitter pat to hear the Dems whine about Governor Scott!

Always On Watch said...

From this recent column by Ann Coulter:

...There is, however, burgeoning evidence that excess radiation operates as a sort of cancer vaccine.

As The New York Times science section reported in 2001, an increasing number of scientists believe that at some level -- much higher than the minimums set by the U.S. government -- radiation is good for you. "They theorize," the Times said, that "these doses protect against cancer by activating cells' natural defense mechanisms."

Among the studies mentioned by the Times was one in Canada finding that tuberculosis patients subjected to multiple chest X-rays had much lower rates of breast cancer than the general population.

And there are lots more!...

Now, Ann Coulter is not a scientist. But does she have valid points in that essay? I don't know, but I'm tossing in the link anyway. **wink**

Anonymous said...

2 months ago, Obama on his yearly allocution put some restrictions on expenditures.
One of the most important RESTRICION was the OIL RESEARCH GRANTS.

USA oil reserves are mostly concentrated in the seafloor of the Oceans.

Drilling in those deep waters and survy for oil costs too much, the Tecnical restrain of this kind of DRILLING need a more performant MWD (Measuring While Drilling),

This Branch of Oil Research tools and SKILNESS is not yet commercialized, ( this is one of the Branchs that we are working from 30 years till now, I have a Patent on that application).

With this Technology, we can divide the drilling time to 20.

and will reduce the oil research fees at least to 1/15.

But, USA Government stopped the Grants to the oil research branch.

The USA Energy dependance will last.


Z said...

SAM, a lot of us are beginning to understand that the government WANTS us dependent on others' energy's unbelievable.

Did we promise to keep buying oil in return for something very important to them? I don't know.
I'd like to.
I keep hoping ONE politician will be honest enough to tell us the truth ....

Elmers Brother said...

check it

Elmers Brother said...

Oops. It's calls hormesis

Anonymous said...

In Houston; you have some 57 towers, each one is the headquarter of an oil company.

Without their sponsoring, the USA politics is meaningless.

Those 57 stablishements are very heavy in your domestic politics.

If USA becomes independent on ENERGY, the ME crisis will not fluctuate your home prices.

Somebody like Ahmadinejad is an excellent BUSINESS for those trusts.

here is some figures below that can be commented by anyone.

DEXON income at 2003 = 10 Billions USD$
Dexon Income at 2007 = 168 Billions USD$.

The CEO of DEXON at 2007 got some 2 Billions of BONUS.

Mayebe this can answer your QUESTION.

I know that these details will anger someone there.

Anonymous said...

"As an example: Sen. Bill Nelson (Leftist, FL)

Is it conceivable that Nelson was affected by cosmic radiation on his NASA trips? He's an embarrassment to the military which sustained and trained him. A goof... a fraud and a dupe of the Century Village commies ( old, wrinkled, warped commies ).

Here's a man that America could revere....but now...he's owned by the Jewish, ghetto block of senior morons that thought FDR was the Messiah.

Hey...I'm a Jew too. So...STFU.

We younger Jews....think these dinosaurs need to be extinct.

They all have an incredible hold over saner Jews. They are the one that have forgotten what the trains were all about.

They are the ones who, rather than fight like their Israeli brethren, would give up rather than miss their discount at TooJays.

Anonymous said...

"On the Jews’ influence and power: “[The Jews are] using their power, and they have power in every direction…Power over the White House, power over Congress…Everybody is in the pocket of the Israeli lobbies, which are funded by wealthy supporters, including those from Hollywood. Same thing with the financial markets. There’s total control…It isn’t the two percent. It’s real power when you own the White House, when you own these other places in terms of your political persuasion. Of course they have power. [To the interviewer] You don’t deny that. You’re Jewish, aren’t you?”

Three guesses as to who said this. Let's start the game.

Z said...

I have to admit, I Googled and cheated and found who said that...

Amazing, that 'big, open minded liberal mentality', huh, Imp!? Geeez.

pond scum

Anonymous said...

Hi Imp, I think it was Helen Thomas?


Dan said...

"Yes, he's Alaskan, yes, Alaska has a lot to gain by our drilling there.......his point is, SO HAS AMERICA."

This is so sad that you even have to say this. Should a person yelling fire as he runs from a burning building be ignored because he, if I follow the logic correctly, has something to gain? Those who make these arguments reveal their dull view of the world. I was just reading <a href =""here yesterday. Melinda expands on this thinking, except as it pertains to Hell, if you're interested. It is also another form of the ever present and persistent ad hominem argument.

beamish said...

My guess would have been Ron Paul, Impy.

Z said...

Pris, yes, it's Helen Thomas.

Anonymous said...

Walk more, drive less.

Enjoy your home, don't gad around so much in vain pursuit of empty pleasures.

Lower your thermostat in winter, and wear a sweater.

Raise your thermostat in summer, wear loose, lightweight clothing, and revive the use of hand-held fans.

Use spiral fluorescent bulbs in low wattage. Turn on artificial light only when strictly necessary.

Wash your clothes the way grandma did -- by hand in a washtub, and hang them up to dry.

Businesses and public facilities should eliminate at least sixty percent of their use of electric light that cause glare in parking lots, glare at gas stations, excessive illumination in stores and restaurants as well as glare all over Highway America.

All use of piped in "music" in public places should cease.

These items would not solve the energy problem, but would go a long way toward staving off Doom, until a new, clean, safe, sane source of energy could be found to replace filthy, smelly, nasty Arab-enriching oil. Meanwhile, these and other similar common sense changes would vastly improve the quality of American life.

We are a nation of lazy people madly in love with the notion that we have a Divine Right to waste as much as we choose whenever and wherever we choose. It's time for us to grow up and get over it.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous with no name. Americans take advantage of the modern era.

Why? Because we're responsible for most of the advantages we now enjoy, and we pay for them.

You can live in a cave, or by candlelight for all I care. Moreover you can grow up and realize you're being played like a piano.

There is no global warming or "climate change". And if there was, it would go on without any of us. We're insignificant.

There's no reason to give up our lifestyle except for idiots like you who buy the notion that energy is a thing of the past which we're no longer entitled to.

I can't think of anything more regressive, yet I imagine you call yourself a progressive.

Let's see. You hate a substance which flows from the earth. it's called oil. We didn't invent it, it's there for the taking. We just use it. It will continue to be there whether we use it or not.

It seeps into our oceans, whether we use it or not. Natural gas, same thing. So, if we don't use it, you'll "FEEL BETTER".

So according to you, if we just go "dark" everything would be a-ok. Except crime would rise without those lit parking lots and streets, businsses would suffer, and the economy would suffer mightily.

You're one of those people who believes if we don't need something to survive, we shouldn't have it.

Btw, what are you doing on the internet? Aren't you wasting energy using a computer? Just asking!


Anonymous said...

Anger is danger.

Playing ostrich will not save us from our folly.

"Waste not; want not."

"Whatsoever a man soweth that also shall he reap." [That goes for women too by the way.]

They who seek a better way are headed for a brighter day.

Hostility breeds futility.

Conservation, thrift, and good stewardship comprise the very heart of conservatism. Modesty and meekness are its handmaidens

Anonymous said...

No matter how hard we may work to deny immortal Truth it still remains the Truth.

When we turn from God, He still remains God.

There is no way we could escape the consequences of our folly, because, as Dr. Seuss so aptly put it. "No matter where you go; there you are."

All of us need to learn that not every thought or idea that challenges or contradicts our assumptions and pet notions is the product of idiocy or enmity.

No matter how smart we may believe ourselves to be there is always someone a lot smarter.

Failure to recognize or acknowledge virtue in others does not obliterate its existence; it merely reflects the poverty of our own powers of perception and understanding.