Monday, March 14, 2011

Michelle Bachmann......

No WONDER the left's afraid of her.......she never lets down, she tries to get information out there, though David Gregory totally ignores her first amazing disclosure no matter how many times she says it!   Is this what David Gregory passes off as INFORMING THE PUBLIC?  Wouldn't an honest newsman say "Let's talk about that.........."  especially since she wouldn't get OFF it?

I know it's easier for the leftwing to denigrate Bachmann than listen and actually absorb some truth (and I expect it here), but.......this woman knows what she's talking about, so it's a real shame.

z

117 comments:

beamish said...

Wouldn't an honest newsman say "Let's talk about that.........." especially since she wouldn't get OFF it?

"Honest newsman" is an oxymoron.

That said, Bachmann skillfully kept repeating her talking point in lieu of answering loaded questions. To a point.

Continuously talking about the billions of dollars squirrelled away for Obamacare in the 2009"stimulus" boondoggle is not an answer to a direct question about Libya. It's kinda robotic.

She needs to be a bit more agile. She only had one thing to say (over and over and over) where every question David Gregory asked could have been answered, on topic, and with confidence.

Pretend I'm up there, instead.

Congressman Beamish, are you optimistic that we can avoid a government shutdown?

"Of course we could avoid a shutdown. But why should we when shutting down the government will save taxpayers 10 billion dollars a day?"

::David Gregory's head explodes::

Ducky's here said...

"What I love about New Hampshire and what we have in common is our extreme love for liberty," she said, "You're the state where the shot was heard around the world in Lexington and Concord."

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She's a winner. Yeah, she's scary in a sense. Too young to die, to stupid to live.

Elmers Brother said...

Well duhkkky if you want to you and Obama could visit all 57 states. Take Biden along. Perhaps he'll find another well spoken clean African American to join you. I hear Biden enjoys donuts.

Like faux pauxs are unique to Conservatives. Get a life duhkkkster

Elmers Brother said...

Faux pas lol

Susannah said...

GO BACHMANN! She's the real deal!!

She does have one thing to say, Beam; and it's an important one thing -- or is it billions of things??

You're right, though, she's definitely on talking points. Agility would serve her well, but then Gregory simply wouldn't have her on at all. As it is now, they think she's too stupid, & they'll be able to dance around her, eh, Duck?

Not so.

Ticker said...

Yea Duck butt and your savior thinks there are 57 states EB points out.

What a joke you are Duck butt so you really should just shut up instead of trying to throw rocks.

Eh, Duckbutt what's your excuse for living?

Ducky's here said...

My savior? Do you mean The Black Bush?

Yeah, I'm a real fan of his. I'm a bigger fan of the fringe right though. The backlash is forming and we get another four years of this moron thanks to the like of "85 I.Q. Bachmann".

Stick a fork in this pop stand, it's done.

beamish said...

Stick a fork in this pop stand, it's done.

That's what you were saying right before Democrats lost back in November and Obama was wishing he had the approval rating Bush had a week after Hurricane Katrina.

Get some new material, Ducky. Isn't your "eternal revolution" supposed to actually go somewhere?

soapster said...

Bachmann...bleh.

How's that Patriot Act extension vote Mrs. Tea Party Constitutional extraordinaire?

The latest gaf: http://www.economist.com/blogs/lexington/2011/03/michele_bachmann

Sam Huntington said...

I have no problem with the press challenging Ms. Bachmann; I do have a problem with the fact that they don’t want to hear her narrative; they only want her to parrot their narrative. To be fair, Bachmann refused to give him a “yes or no” response to his “yes or no” question, but I have never heard Hillary Clinton answer a direct question from the press or a member of congress —and no one ever calls her on it.

One reflection upon the continued dishonesty of the ‘ducky’ character is that Ms. Bachmann was speaking in context of the “shot heard around the world” from within the New England colonies. Ducky may recall that New Hampshire was one of these, which included portions of present-day Vermont. There was but one clash in New Hampshire during the Revolutionary War—the raid on Fort William and Mary. The ‘battle’ of Lexington and Concord occurred in April 1775, long before the colonies announced their independence, but it is correct to say that Lexington and Concord was part of a shared history among all the peoples of the New England colonies. Thus, if anyone is beyond stupid, it must be Ducky.

beamish said...

Patriot Act, Soapster?

Can't you trust Ron Paul to listen to Osama Bin Laden for you so you don't have to call him yourself?

Elmers Brother said...

ticker, duhkkky makes Obama look like Ronald Reagan.

Z said...

beamish, that drove me nuts, too, but, let's face it, Bachmann knows the leftwing media's not letting information OUT, so she had a shot and was going to take it...with a non conservative audience who seems not to WANT the truth.

Ducky...."too stupid to live"? Another one you want in a body bag like Breitbart? really? what's with you libs?

Elbro and Ticker, good ones!... it's so obvious, yet they don't see it.

Susannah, she's agile, she was just on a mission!

Ducky, you make your second comment sound as if you're dying for some good conservative to pop up and beat Obama....as IF.
And you're right, he'll win; because of the leftwing media.

SAm, you know, your explanation of that is right, of course, and I'd wondered it myself but hadn't time to check....thanks for that information.

Anyway, we all know people make mistakes, but the rightwing simply isn't allowed to.

IMagine if NPR was a rightwing outlet and did any of what they've just done? The public's barely hearing about it, but they SURE WOULD if it had been FOX! :-)

My take on Bachman is I like her more than Palin, I think she had a mission in going on Gregory's show and she wasn't going to give it up.

My take on Gregory is he showed a shocking lack of agility in running a conversational show or he simply resented her ability to talk to leftwingers and get her message across.

Elmers Brother said...

Gregory is a pot smoking toady. If anyone is a broken record its him. As I said even a veneer of objectivity would be better than none.

soapster said...

I've no compunction with someone favoring the Patriot Act. What I have a problem with is anyone who embraces it and then touts themself as an adherent to the Constitution.

The Patriot Act is unconstitutional and I don't much care which court appointnments state otherwise.

Ducky's here said...

Elmo, does that preclude their BOTH being lightweights?

Of course it doesn't Mr. Strawman.

The only thing frightening about Michele Bachmann is that she demonstrates the truism that we gave up long ago on the desire for competent political leadership.

beamish said...

I've no compunction with someone favoring the Patriot Act. What I have a problem with is anyone who embraces it and then touts themself as an adherent to the Constitution.

Which part of the Constitution do you not understand?

Common Sense said...

Bill O'Reilly does it, Chris Wallace does it and now David Gregory does it, what's the problem?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f8v_AY4tyPI&feature=player_embedded

They only have so much time and all they want is the guest to answer their questions.

Elmers Brother said...

The king of red herrings thinks it's a strawman? Someone hand Houdini his Oscar. Gee duhkkkster I guess its why you address all those lefty pols in your comments.

Then again you are fan of NPR.

soapster said...

Amendment IV: The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
US Patriot Act: Freedom from unreasonable searches: The government may search and seize Americans' papers and effects without probable cause to assist terror investigation.

Amendment VI: In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the state and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
US Patriot Act: Right to a speedy and public trial: The government may jail Americans indefinitely without a trial.

Amendment I: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.
US Patriot Act: Freedom of association: To assist terror investigation, the government may monitor religious and political institutions without suspecting criminal activity.

Amendment VI: ... to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.
US Patriot Act: Right to legal representation: The government may monitor conversations between attorneys and clients in federal prisons and deny lawyers to Americans accused of crimes.

Amendment I: Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech ...
US Patriot Act: Freedom of speech: The government may prosecute librarians or keepers of any other records if they tell anyone the government subpoenaed information related to a terror investigation.

Amendment VI: ... to be confronted with the witnesses against him ...
US Patriot Act: Right to liberty: Americans may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them. US citizens (labeled "unlawful combatants") have been held incommunicado and refused attorneys.

Constitutional Source: Cornell Law School

Patriot Act Source: The Associated Press, Knight-Ridder Newspapers

Full Patriot Act Text: US Bureau of Citizenship and Immigration Services

Anonymous said...

Michele Bachmann had one purpose.

That was to get the message out that billions of dollars were hidden in the healthcare bill, so the administration could quietly spend on it's infrastructure being put in place, regardless of the results of the next election.

Gregory's purpose was to shut that down, and change the subject. He didn't ask one question as to her charge about the money, or the healthcare bill.

It was simply a contest of wills, and in that, she won. Case closed!

Pris

Mustang said...

It is not possible to have a free society without safeguarding the institutions that guarantee liberty; on the other hand, it is not possible to have a free society when society is not able to defend itself against clandestine threats, such as that imposed upon us by Islamic terrorism. Politicians who support the Patriot Act simply want to be able to ferret out people who intend grave harm to the American people. Persons who oppose the Patriot Act want government working smarter within our system of Constitutional Federalism. It is easy to understand how adherents of either idea could come to loggerheads.

I think cooler heads must prevail. Let us suppose for a moment that Islamacists detonated a dirty bomb in downtown Boston. The number of people killed and injured, the numbers who would eventually die from radioactive exposure would be psychologically catastrophic to many Americans —not to all Americans, of course, but a large number. For example, people who place no value on American history would shrug off such an event as being the price we pay for forcing Moslems to attack us on 9/11, and then compounding that with our failure to submit to the will of Allah. The fact remains that people living in Boston are a small percentage of our national population of 320 million. America won’t collapse because we happened to lose 800,000 leftists.

It is within the realm of a free society for people to disagree with their political representatives over a wide range of issues. Whether we support or disagree with these people, we should write letters and urge them to consider our point of view. And this would seem to me a better course of action than calling them vile names or wishing they were dead.

beamish said...

Soapster,

In your "comparison," why is it you can directly quote Articles and amendments from the constitution, but not directly quote anything from the Patriot Act?

Can you specifically name any Americans who have had their rights infringed upon by the Patriot Act? (No, you can't)

Can you specifically cite and quote the sections or clauses of the Patriot Act used to infringe on the rights of any Americans (that you can't name)?

Can you specifically name any Americans who have had their papers and effects searched or seized without probable cause as a result of the Patriot Act? (No, you can't)

Can you specifically name any Americans who have been jailed indefinitely without a trial as a result of the Patriot Act? (No, you can't)

Can you specifically name any Americans who have been monitored in political or religious institutions without suspicion of criminal activity as a result of the Patriot Act? (no, you can't)

Can you specifically name any Americans who have been denied legal counsel whethere they are imprisoned or not as a result of the Patriot Act? (no, you can't)

Can you specifically name any American librarians or "keepers of any other records" who have been prosecuted as a result of the Patriot Act? (no, you can't)

Can you specifically name any Americans jailed without charges and kept "incommunicado" and denied legal counsel a result of the Patriot Act? (no, you can't)

So, WTF are you yammering about?

Anonymous said...

Michelle Bachmann is: Beautiful. Dignified. Sincere. Courageous. Determined. Unswerving. Undaunted by the likes of that lapdog to the libs David Gregory. She gets more appealing by the minute.

Ironic that a lovely looking, truly feminine woman apparently has more testicular fortitude than most of her male counterparts in either party.

Bachmann would make a better Speaker than Boehner.

If only there were more like her!

Mark said...

David Gregory is, and always has been a Liberal hack. He doesn't even pretend to be impartial. He should be fired.

Or join his boyfriend, Chris Matthews on PMSNBC.

soapster said...

Say what you will about Ducky but it's people like you Beamish that are the real anti-Americans inflicting damage to this country and its foundational doctrine.

What's more, it seems, perhaps because you are clearly loosing the argument, that you've now turned your inquiries towards whether or not any American has been detained or prosecuted whereas my entire point was whether or not someone's Constitutional rights had been violated. I realize you're loosing the argument but really Beam try to stay on point.
Can you specifically name any Americans who have had their rights infringed upon by the Patriot Act? Bradly Manning

Can you specifically cite and quote the sections or clauses of the Patriot Act used to infringe on the rights of any Americans? Section 215 & 412

Can you specifically name any Americans who have had their papers and effects searched or seized without probable cause as a result of the Patriot Act? JHC..I personally know people who've had their GD raw milk confiscated and you're asking me about this....LOL. Here's 3 George Christian, Steven Hatfill, Ken Berry


Can you specifically name any Americans who have been jailed indefinitely without a trial as a result of the Patriot Act? (No, you can't) Nice try... I believe the question ought to be "speedy" and "public" trial. What's more, they needn't be Americans to have their rights completed stripped. Bradley Manning is presently being detained and by many first hand accounts in a most inhumane manner.

Can you specifically name any Americans who have been monitored in political or religious institutions without suspicion of criminal activity as a result of the Patriot Act? It's not even political or religious institutions in many cases which is even more troubling. Stephanie Cox, Bev Harris, Photographer Mike Maginnis, John Mclean, Michael Galardi, Sherman Austin.

Can you specifically name any Americans who have been denied legal counsel whethere they are imprisoned or not as a result of the Patriot Act? It would seem by consistently including "Americans" in each and every inquiry that you personally find it acceptable that American forces round up and detain anyone they want and that's fine by you so long as it meets two requirements: A) they can't be American; and B) the American stormtroopers have to think them a threat.

Can you specifically name any American librarians or "keepers of any other records" who have been prosecuted as a result of the Patriot Act? Doesn't matter if they've been prosecuted or not. The larger question is whether their Constitutional rights have
Can you specifically name any Americans jailed without charges and kept "incommunicado" and denied legal counsel a result of the Patriot Act? Bradley Manning

Elmers Brother said...

Manning is being held for violating UCMJ not the Patriot Act

Elmers Brother said...

Article 104

Always On Watch said...

I knew it!

Duck gets slapped around here, so he flaps his wings over to my blog and launches a few ad hominem attacks.

So predictable.

soapster said...

"Manning is being held for violating UCMJ not the Patriot Act."

Seriously...I feel like I'm conversing with toddlers.

I wasn't implying he was being detained for violating the Patriot Act (hell that doesn't even make sense anyways...).

I'm saying that his Constitutional rights are in direct violation and the Patriot Act is being invoked as a means to grant his handlers the authority to do so.

Opus #6 said...

I adore Bachmann. I will never forget how she was one of the few politicians who spoke out for conservatives in 2009 when Obama held sway. Most Republicans were silent that year.

If she wants to repeat her talking point, which I think is a good point, more power to her. She is a pit-bull with a bone. Good luck wrestling it away from her!

Z said...

soapster..>BRADLEY MANNING is suicidal and on watch...They remove his clothing and put on nightclothing which can't hurt him.
Do you understand our military psych experts have recommended it to SAVE HIS LIFE?
Personally, I think they should let him sleep with an arsenal of guns and ammo with him, but that's just me. The damage he did is bad enough; the thought someone can be this bad a Benedict Arnold is worse.

And don't EVER even suggest you're dealing with "toddlers" here, who do you think you ARE? These are my friends, their intelligence shines through every comment and your remarks aren't appreciated.

Elmers Brother said...

Who invoking the Patriot Act as a means to hold him? Military members as I'm sure you are well aware give up a portion of their rights. The man is being held on the saame conditions any other military member would held.

Z said...

AOW, thanks, I got him...check it out!

OPUS, isn't she fabulous? Sadly, this video does make her look a little loony because she just keeps on keepin' on........but SHE IS RIGHT and she GRABBED THE MOMENT! FINALLY, MAYBE, leftwingers are hearing some truth, THAT's why she wouldn't back down.

That Gregory's that bad an interviewer that he couldn't 'go there', is sad...probably he knew she was right, it makes the left look bad, and he couldn't take it....couldn't argue with her.

Elmers Brother said...

And I believe (snicker) that you evaded answering Beamish by implying somehow no matter how ridiculously juxtaposed that Manning's case had anything whatsoever to do with the Patriot Act.

Z said...

DUCKY< remember how many times you've told us, in your SO ERUDITE manner, that the Tea Party's dead?
Looks like Lindsay Graham's handlers must have decided to hitch his wagon to losers, huh? :-)

http://dyn.politico.com/printstory.cfm?uuid=B1C9E8C1-E615-800F-078393CE951359FA

Elmers Brother said...

At the rate the MSM is bad mouthing the TP one would think that this would be good for the TP. Isn't this how we created more jihadists?

Z said...

Elbro, but not enough people understand how biased the media is.

Still, you have a point; decent Americans, I feel, do get that these are good Americans fighting to keep costs down and government open and honest..so, yes, maybe the media slamming the TPs is a good thing.

some libs seem to think the TPers ARE jihadists!! Compare them to anything the Unions have done in the last month and let's figure out who's more violent and destructive, right? :-)

Brooke said...

The left ALWAYS insults and denigrates when they cannot win an argument... Which is almost all of the time.

Leftists particularly enjoy degrading women. Just ask Ducky.

Elmers Brother said...

The TP should be looked at with a critical eye, as you say, certainly like any other group. I don't ever expect fairness from the media though. If they really wanted to rid themselves of it they could start by stopping the mischaracterizations.

Elmers Brother said...

Cynically as long as the TP continues to be marginalized by the media they can distract from asking Obama the hard questions.

beamish said...

it's people like you Beamish that are the real anti-Americans inflicting damage to this country and its foundational doctrine.

Really? From right here in my swivel chair and bunny slippers?

What's more, it seems, perhaps because you are clearly loosing the argument, that you've now turned your inquiries towards whether or not any American has been detained or prosecuted whereas my entire point was whether or not someone's Constitutional rights had been violated.

I can see where the idea that Americans have rights guaranteed by the Constitution comes from. Who other than Americans have US Constitutional guarantees?

Can you specifically name any Americans who have had their rights infringed upon by the Patriot Act?Bradly Manning

If you cared to be bothered with reality enough to even spell his name right, you'd find Bradley Manning is charged with violations of the Uniform Code of Military Justice, not the Patriot Act.

Can you specifically cite and quote the sections or clauses of the Patriot Act used to infringe on the rights of any Americans?Section 215 & 412

LOL! Section 215 requires a FISA court warrant application (do you know what that is?) showing probable cause that records to be searched document terrorist activities. Section 412 deals with the detention of alien terror suspects (no, dumbass, not Alf. Non-Americans) So, the FBI must show probable cause to obtain a FISA warrant for terrorism investigations, and the government can detain non-Americans suspected of terrorism. My God, the FBI can apply for a search warrant if they can show probable cause in a counter-terrorism investigation, and foreign terror suspects can be detained pending investigation and trial! What is this world coming to?

Can you specifically name any Americans who have had their papers and effects searched or seized without probable cause as a result of the Patriot Act?George Christian

Who's the terrorism suspect with library records in George Christian's stewardship that were searched and seized without probable cause?

Steven Hatfill, Ken Berry There was reasonable cause to investigate them in the anthrax letter attacks, as the anthrax used was from a strain they worked with.

And so on.

It would seem by consistently including "Americans" in each and every inquiry that you personally find it acceptable that American forces round up and detain anyone they want and that's fine by you so long as it meets two requirements: A) they can't be American; and B) the American stormtroopers have to think them a threat.

We are looking for violations of the American Constitution, are we not?

Perhaps my questions weren't clear.

Shall I translate them into Arabic for you? Farsi? Pig Latin?

beamish said...

And who are these "American stormtroopers?" Extras on the set of Star Wars?

beamish said...

Seriously...I feel like I'm conversing with toddlers.

Weird. I feel like I'm conversing with a blithering idiot. Or, a Ron Paul supporter, if you prefer the politically correct term.

I wasn't implying he was being detained for violating the Patriot Act (hell that doesn't even make sense anyways...).

I'm saying that his Constitutional rights are in direct violation and the Patriot Act is being invoked as a means to grant his handlers the authority to do so.


See, what I mean? Blithering idiocy.

Which of Manning's Constitutional rights are being violated?

Elmers Brother said...

Lets ask Wesley Clark and Gem
McChrystal.

Z said...

I want to know who "American stormtroopers" are, too, soapster.

beamish said...

There was kickin' thrash metal band called Stormtroopers of Death back in the 1980s (who were mostly the members of Anthrax being silly) whose debut single was the intro theme of MTV's Headbanger's Ball back when MTV used to play music videos, and they're from America...

But I don't think they ever really meant anything disdainful by their songs "F*ck the Middle East" and "Speak English or Die!!!"

It was rather tongue-in-cheek. You should hear the crowd in Tokyo go nuts on the live album when S.O.D. performed "Speak English or Die!!!"

"Sargent D," the band's cartoon mascot is a lovable military caricature, like Donald Duck.

But I don't think they're the Stormtroopers the droid is looking for.

Always On Watch said...

Z,
Thanks so much for that response at my site. I explained in my response to your comment there why this afternoon's blogging was a bit inconsistent on my part.

Z said...

Beam, in the 80's they had those lyrics? Man, what are they ROCK PROPHETS!?

AOW...I'm on my way!!

beamish said...

In fact, I dare go out on a limb to say that Ron Paul supporters might even disagree with the seemingly prescient geopolitics of the Stormtroopers of Death....

F*ck the Middle East
There's too many problems
They just get in the way
We could sure live without them
They hijack our planes
They raise our oil prices
We'll kill em all and have a ball
And end their f*ckin crisis

BEIRUT, LEBANON, won't exist once we're done
LIBYA, IRAN, we'll flush those bastards down the can
SYRIANS and SHIITES, we'll crush their faces with our might
Then Israel and Egypt can live in peace without these d*cks.


You might say S.O.D. were neoconservatives before neoconservatism was hip.

But I don't think ever Sargent D and the S.O.D. are the "Stormtroopers" Soapy is looking for.

Elmers Brother said...

"Storm troopers"? I'm smellin' a truther.

beamish said...

Metalhead nostalgia.... 1985... MTV's Headbanger's Ball... the intro theme with the videos of trains crashing into each other....

The REAL Headbanger's Ball...

With this Stormtroopers crowd pleaser...

Z said...

Am rearranging HUNDREDS of books here at my house and listening to the new Carol King/James Taylor CD.....he just talked about how wonderful it was to sing YOU'VE GOT A FRIEND when it was first written and added "..but I didn't think I'd sing this song every single night of the rest of my life!"

That cracked me up...the life of a popular, working singer!

I just Googled him because I wanted to know what illness he alluded to the other night on TV but can't find anything..but I DID find he fell off a motorcyle and broke both hands and both feet....imagine him breaking his guitar hands?

beamish said...

Only at Z's can Stormtroopers of Death and James Taylor be mentioned in the same thread. :D

I'm going to hang back for Soapy to respond.

I've been told I shouldn't be so aggressively insulting to imbecilic idiots and mindless morons, so I'm sorry I riffed on the "Stormtrooper" thing. The only Stormtroopers in my life are Star Wars references and thrash metal self-parody acts, so I'm interested in who else is an American Stormtrooper.

Elmers Brother said...

Ron Paul and storm troopers sound like 9/11 troofer material? I'll assume the next reference might be to the Masons, the Vatican or the Illuminati.

beamish said...

Don't forget the CIA PsyOps training program that has kidnapping people from trailer parks and hypnotizing them into believing they were abducted by UFOs as a final exam.

They're surprisingly good at it.

Craig said...

The money wasn't hidden or fraudulently slipped in. It was there for months before passage and scored by the CBO. It's been there for a year for any one to read. It took crafty Michele a year to "find" it. She's a liar.

Proper debunk

I'm not afraid of her but the people who believe her scare me a little. I'm praying to the God in Michele's head, the one that told her to run for Congress. I'm praying it tells her to run for Pres. She's what our beloved, beleaguered country needs right now, a good laugh.

Elmers Brother said...

Damn Craig its the same CBO that told us this.

CBO estimates that if the Medicare cuts were used to help shore up the effectively bankrupt Medicare trust fund instead, then the Democrats health care bill would run $260 billion in deficits over the next decade.

Elmers Brother said...

I also find it hilarious that after Mother Pelosi's comments about 'you'll have to pass the bill to find out what's in it'...and the Dems ramrodding the bill through Congress to try and prevent anyone reading the 2000 page monstrosity that the opinion writer is upset because she says it's hidden.

Z said...

Elbro, so true.
Funny, if FOX or any conservative paper says anything, it's CRAP to the leftwingers but let the Post give Bachmann FOUR PINOCCHIOS(OH, NO!!:-) and it's GOSPEL (if Craig doesn't mind my using that word, of course)

Imagine a conservative having told people to sign a bill they hadn't read ? Imagine FOX pulling what NPR pulls? Imagine anything rightwing getting guite the passes the left does?
Gee, this Post article really put me in the dumps. Bachmann must be SO stupid she went into this with no facts and to hurt her reputation. :-)

April said...

I mean if you seriously want to discuss lies or mischaracterizations one only has to start a sentence with

a politician said..."...."

Z said...

Good point, April.

Somebody said Obama has definitely quit smoking... I said "How do you know?" She said "because he said he stopped!" :-)

On the other hand, do you think Bachmann would go to this much trouble if the Post's information is given without a hopeful anti-right slant?

April said...

Kessler also debunked Harry Reid's 'lie' about the repealing of healthcare adding a trillion dollars to the deficit.

Elmers Brother said...

of course if you're a fan of cowboy poetry this wouldn't mean much to you

Elmers Brother said...

What I think Z is that each side is trying to make political hay out of something that clearly the American people don't want and until we throw out all the bums we'll be nothing but frustrated

Elmers Brother said...

Hey at least Bachmann is so much easier on the eyes.

Funny how we focus on the word hidden and totally ignore the $105 BILLION.

Anonymous said...

The problem with The Patriot Act is not what it HAS done, but what i COULD do in the "wrong" hands.

So far our civil rights as normal American cjtizens ["normal" meaning not American-born Black Muslims, other Muslims, Muslim, or "naturalized" Middle Eastern and African peoples, Mafiosi, other gangsters, illegal aliens and other "trouble" groups] so far the civil rights of "normal" Americans have not been violated. But the POTENTIAL for tyrannical abuse is written into the Patriot Act.

As everyone ought to know by now, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

Thomas Jefferson would HATE The Patriot Act.

But i has many precedents in the immoral and unconstitutional activities of Andrew Jackson, Lincoln, TR, Wilson, FDR and others no doubt.

Elmers Brother said...
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Elmers Brother said...

How long have you known Jefferson?

Ducky's here said...

Mustang, a dirty bomb is going to wipe out the entire population of greater Boston?

Are you insane? That kind of mindless mongering is why the fringe right is held in such low regard. Well, one of the reasons anyway.

Would the dirty bomb also take out Cambridge, that would really make your day.

Ducky's here said...

There was kickin' thrash metal band called Stormtroopers of Death back in the 1980s (who were mostly the members of Anthrax being silly)

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The mind boggles. Next thing we know Beamish will produce the Polaroids to prove Bachmann is a head banger.

Music with no harmony, melody, dynamics or developed counterpoint is probably simple enough for her to handle.

Elmers Brother said...

Actually duhkkky Pelosi is the head banger, she just used her face instead.

Major said...

"The fact remains that people living in Boston are a small percentage of our national population of 320 million. America won’t collapse because we happened to lose 800,000 leftists."

Matter of fact...I think we'd be better off. So there...libbie loonies of the Gay State. Just my opinion.

I know treasonous, seditious, commie frauds when I see them.

Unfortunately for them...a distressful turn around from the 1700's when they used to be...patriots and Americans.

Rather than followers of Frank, Kerry, Kenndy's and their ilk. It was the Teddy...the drunk and murderer that gave us the looniedom. RIP.

Boston...the "cradle of liberty"....nah...a cradle of liberal porn and treason.

We can do without the Boston insurance bankers and pin stripe wannabes of the "Ivy League" whores.

Anonymous said...

Beamish,
I think Anthrax should've made a song called Caught in a Mosque (cf Among the Living).

Ducky,
You seem to be on a personal mission to prove Ann Coulter's point--the one about how liberals' idea of refuting a point is to call the other person dumb.

tio

Major said...

BTW...watch out when you call 911...you'll get a functionally illiterate, stupid totally unqualified moron ( AA ) to answer to your distress. AA...where failure translates to a passing grade.

They say..."maybe African American ( dumbells " might not be able to qualify as police officers" due to the difficulty of the test.

Yet...whites can pass the test with no problems. It can't get any more disgusting than this....Reminds me of the so called "Doctors" who couldn't pass the Medical SAT's.


Lucas Sullivan, Dayton Daily News, March 10, 2011

Justice have agreed on a lower passing score for the police recruit exam after it was rejected because not enough blacks passed the exam.

The city lowered both written exams a combined 15 points that resulted in 258 more people passing the exam, according to a statement released Thursday by Civil Service officials. The agreement allows the city to immediately resume its plans to hire police and firefighters.

The original passing scores determined by Civil Service required candidates to answer 57 of 86 (66 percent) questions correctly on one portion and 73 of 102 (72 percent) on the other. The lowered benchmark requires candidates to answer 50 of 86 (58 percent) questions correctly and 64 of 102 (63 percent) of questions on the other.

"A total of 748 people passed the exam under the new benchmarks. It is unclear the demographics of those who passed.

As opposed to the initial test takers who passed.

Great.....multicultural bovine excrement at it's best.

Totally unqualified morons now allowed to carry guns.

This, is in California....paradise lost and completely dumb to the peril they have been put in by asshole, progressive loons. With pensions too.

Louis H. said...

@ Ducky ... I'm sure Mustang was only using a hypothetical to make a point about certain dangers imposed on our society by Islamic terrorists.

@ Terrorists: if you need directions to Boston, leave a note here with your email address and I'll send you a Google map.

Cao ...

Ducky's here said...

Guess who:

-- The Founding Fathers "worked tirelessly until slavery was no more in the United States."
-- There are "hundreds and hundreds of scientists, many of them holding Nobel Prizes, who believe in intelligent design."
-- The United States might "move off the dollar" onto a "global currency."
-- Democratic presidents cause influenza outbreaks.
-- The "Hoot-Smalley Tariff" caused the Great Depression.

Z said...

Ducky...read Sam Hungtington's comment on the Lexington deal.

I don't have time or I'd love to give you a list of Biden or John Kerry gaffes, Ducky.
Heck, there's a Dem congressman who thinks Guantanamo's going to sink from the weight of prisoners!
Just stop. I know you hate Bachmann..... so does Huffington POst, where you got the information....


Louis H, you're absolutely right...but DUcky has to grasp at any straw he can to criticize when the facts are irrefutable. Thanks for coming by.


Common Sense, I just saw your comment. THat's a very different situation. David Gregory skips the most important revelation of the wknd to ask her questions? Just completely ignores the biggest news of the day because he's got an agenda? No...I'm no Palin OR O'Reilly fan, trust me, but that's not a fair comparison in interview styles at all.
Yes, they cut in ON THE SAME SUBJECT..>Bachmann mentions something multiple times and Gregory just ignores her? Not good and really stupid on Gregory's part; he could have had a great story but he obviously didn't have the facts with which to fight her.

Anonymous said...

NEW YORK TIMES on RON PAUL (truncated)

http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/p/ron_paul/index.html?offset=10&s=newest


Ron Paul


Ron Paul, the Republican Congressman for the 14th congressional district of Texas, is an outspoken critic of American foreign and monetary policy, widely known for his libertarian positions on a host of political and social issues.


During his 20 years in Congress, Mr. Paul has staked out the lonely end of 434-to-1 votes against legislation that he considers unconstitutional, even on issues as ceremonial as granting Mother Teresa a Congressional Gold Medal. His colleagues have dubbed him “Dr. No,” but his wife will insist that they have the spelling wrong: he is really Dr. Know.


He has been called the “intellectual godfather of the Tea Party,” but Mr. Paul is also is the real father of the Tea Party movement’s most high-profile winner, Senator-elect Rand Paul of Kentucky.K


In December 2010, after years of blocking him from a leadership position, Mr. Paul’s fellow Republicans named him chairman of the House subcommittee on domestic monetary policy, which oversees the Federal Reserve as well as the currency and the valuation of the dollar.


Dr. Paul, an obstetrician with the manner of acountry doctor, has strong views on those issues. He has written a book called “End the Fed”; he embraces Austrian economic thought, which holds that the government has no role in regulating the economy; and he advocates a return to the gold standard.


Dr. Paul has said he will use his chairmanship to renew his push for a full audit of the Fed and to hold a series of hearings on monetary policy.


Many Republicans elected to Congress in November 2010 campaigned on precisely the issues that Mr. Paul has been talking about for 40 years: forbidding Congress from any action not explicitly authorized in the Constitution, eliminating entire federal departments as unconstitutional and checking the power of the Fed.


Republicans had blocked Dr. Paul from leading the monetary policy panel once before, and banking executives reportedly urged them to do so again. But Republicans on Capitol Hill increasingly recognize that Mr. Paul has a following — among his supporters from 2008 and within the Tea Party, which helped the Republicans recapture the House majority by picking up Mr. Paul’s longstanding and highly vocal opposition to the federal debt ...


Mr. Paul acknowledged the sometimes competing interests among Tea Party supporters and his fans. “What brings them together is this acceptance that there’s something really wrong, that we’ve spent too much money and government’s too big,” he said.

beamish said...

The mind boggles. Next thing we know Beamish will produce the Polaroids to prove Bachmann is a head banger.

Why don't you show us how sophisticated you are, Ducky, and go listen to NPR for an obscure symphony and composer no one remembers anything about except that it was never appreciated by anyone with music training for anything in its lifetime so you can impress your friends when you too find your own never used copy in a dusty bargain bin.

If Bachmann was a headbanger, that just makes her that much cooler, more so if she were a headbanger back when Al Gore was trying to save the world from rock and roll.

beamish said...

Tio,

I think Anthrax should've made a song called Caught in a Mosque (cf Among the Living).

ROFLMAO!

beamish said...

During his 20 years in Congress, Mr. Paul has staked out the lonely end of 434-to-1 votes against legislation that he considers unconstitutional, even on issues as ceremonial as granting Mother Teresa a Congressional Gold Medal. His colleagues have dubbed him “Dr. No,” but his wife will insist that they have the spelling wrong: he is really Dr. Know.

Golly. Next she'll insist that Ron Paul's less than 1% draw in the Presidential elections doesn't count his widespead support among al Qaeda and people who can't read.

Honor Mother Teresa? NO!

Honor Lu Xiaobo? NO!

Honor Chi Chi Rodriguez? Yes!

Z said...

FT, here we go again.
Some don't like Ron Paul...and that's OKAY! You've gone through this countless times with Beamish, must you start it again?

beamish said...

I guess the Stormtroopers got to Soapy before he could reply again?

beamish said...

FT, here we go again.
Some don't like Ron Paul...and that's OKAY! You've gone through this countless times with Beamish, must you start it again?


He can't help himself, Z. Part of being a member of the Ron Paul cult is never having to say anything coherent or relevant.

I think it's a part of their manifesto - "Any mention of Ron Paul's ties to neo-Nazis and 9/11 Troofers must be buried with masturbatory and reflexive copy and pastes of quotes from the Dear Leader's wife"

Seriously, when even Alan Keyes and Tommy Thompson can handily crush your candidate in a Presidential primary debate, it's time to pack it up and go back to Obscurityville.

Mark said...

Anything Soapster has to say is nullified by his obvious ignorance of the English language.

Soapy, go ask Mr. Webster the difference between "loose" and "lose", and then lecture us.

Loser.

Mark said...

Sorry. Z. One of my pet peeves is people who get simple English language wrong while pretending to be erudite.

beamish said...

Mark,

I did offer to translate my questions to Soapy into another language.

Anonymous said...

Must Beamish dominate this blog with his incessant denunciations every time someone mentions something Beamy Boy has decided not to like, so he has yet another excuse to vent his hyperactive spleen?

It is certainly okay not to like any public figure past or present -- even St. Abraham Lincoln -- but it is NOT all right to spread lies and viciously inaccurate assertions with charged rhetoric, and expect them to sit uncorrected.

Once again we present classic characteristics of bullying. If the shoe fits ...

What is bullying? (Selected)

constant nit-picking, fault-finding and criticism of a trivial nature - the triviality, regularity and frequency betray bullying; often there is a grain of truth (but only a grain) in the criticism to fool you into believing the criticism has validity, which it does not; often, the criticism is based on distortion, misrepresentation or fabrication


• simultaneous with the criticism, a constant refusal to acknowledge you and your contributions and achievements or to recognise your existence and value


• constant attempts to undermine you and your position, status, worth, value and potential


where you are in a group ... being singled out and treated differently; for instance, everyone else can get away with murder but the moment you put a foot wrong - however trivial - action is taken against you


• being isolated and separated from colleagues, excluded from what's going on, marginalized, overruled, ignored, sidelined, frozen out, sent to Coventry


• being belittled, demeaned and patronised, especially in front of others


• being humiliated, shouted at and threatened, often in front of others


• having your responsibility increased but your authority taken away


• having unrealistic goals set, which change as you approach them



• finding that everything you say and do is twisted, distorted and misrepresented


• being subjected to disciplinary procedures with verbal or written warnings imposed for trivial or fabricated reasons ...


• being coerced into leaving through no fault of your own ...

The TRUTH is often so painful we project it onto others instead of dealing with it in our selves. Not liking anyone is, indeed, okay, but DECEPTION is not. SELF-deception is the worst kind of all. If you want to be nasty, that's fine -- be nasty -- but don't pretend you're doing it in service to a righteous cause.

Z said...

Oh, NO...another lengthy definition of something we all know the definition of. Please STOP, FT.
Really..start a blog of your own and do ANYTHING you please, that would be just fantastic for you!

You throw red meat about Ron Paul, who you very well know Beamish doesn't admire, and then you post this comment!??!!

You're obviously feeling quite the victim and I'm sorry you feel that way; you certainly had the chance not to say horrid things to me (Beamish never has), or to stop throwing red meat to get arguments built here like the vile ones you participated in at FPM, or to stop posting very off-topic posts, or continually augment my posts with information you found so necessary.......Nobody's ever treated me here like you have and so I'd call my remarks to you less bullying than self-defense. I do have a blog I have worked hard to build and preserve and that's not changing.
Nobody wishes anybody any harm, I just want a peaceful blog.
Beamish goes half-cocked and nuts on things but he doesn't go off-topic, he is ALWAYS respectful to me (ALWAYS, and I appreciate it), he is PROTECTIVE of me, and has a lot of great information to add here.
You do, too, I'm sorry that just can't work.

all the best.

beamish said...

It occurs to me that someone who has been asked repeatedly not to post here, and who is 100% decidedly not welcome here wouldn't notice a thing I post here, whatever I post here, because they're not here to read or comment on it.

Sheesh. How stupid does a loser have to be to need directions on how to go away and fuck off?

Call the ACLU, I'm bullying!

beamish said...

The problem with The Patriot Act is not what it HAS done, but what i COULD do in the "wrong" hands.

Isn't this true of ANY law?

As an example, I was skeptical of the "Puppy Mill Cruelty Prevention Act" law [recently struck down] here in Missouri because its draconian provisions would put legitimate dog breeders out of business, and under obtuse interpretations of the law would have even gone after people who keep hamsters as pets or grazing animals (like cattle or goats) while really doing nothing about unsanitary, cruel, unlicensed "puppy mills" and pet hoarders at all. AND... if you own pets, the state would have a right to search your home on mere suspicion that you're running an illegal animal breeding operation. The more vague a law is written, the more ripe for abuse it can be.

There's nothing vague about the Patriot Act. ALL of its search and wiretap provisions must pass muster in a FISA court, which has even stricter criteria than just getting a criminal search warrant from the local judge.

As everyone ought to know by now, power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

And hyperventilating histrionics based on unquantifiable paranoid fears and over-exerted buffoonish demogoguery isn't a legal argument, it's a delusional tirade.

MK said...

The media and the left don't care that obama lied and hid money. they simply don't give a damn. obamas sins are nothing when they think of the imaginary horror of republicans.

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