Monday, March 7, 2011

Peter King's "WITCH HUNT" REALLY?

AP: WASHINGTON – The White House is pushing a message of religious tolerance ahead of this week's congressional hearing on Islamic radicalism, which has sparked protests on grounds it unfairly singles out Muslims as potential terrorists.
President Barack Obama sent his deputy national security adviser, Denis McDonough, on Sunday to a Washington-area mosque known for its cooperation with the FBI and its rejection of the al-Qaida brand of Islam.
"Being religious is never un-American. Being religious is quintessentially American," McDonough said. (Z: Is being religious what's in question here?  really? And, while we're at it, my friend Mike just sent me THIS...!! What is going  ON?)

The speech came just four days before the congressional hearing, which has already given rise to protests on grounds it is unfairly targeting Muslims. In New York's Times Square on Sunday, about 300 people gathered to speak out against the planned congressional hearing, criticizing it as xenophobic and saying that singling out Muslims, rather than extremists, is unfair and divides the nation.  (Z: why would anybody single out non extremists except for help, which is exactly what King wants and one would think all Muslims would want)

Speaking to an interfaith forum of Muslims, Christians, Jews and other faiths, McDonough, the president's point-man on countering violent extremism, was clear: "We're all Americans." (Z: this counters violent extremism?)
The majority of the recent terror plots and attempts against the U.S. have involved people espousing a radical and violent view of Islam, making it difficult to ignore the role religion plays in this particular threat. But focusing too closely on Islam and the religious motives of these attempted terror attacks also threatens to alienate an entire community that has nothing to do with these violent beliefs.
New York Republican Peter King, chairman of the House Homeland Security Committee that is holding the hearings, thinks the Muslim community can and should do more to help law enforcement thwart these attacks.
"I don't believe there is sufficient cooperation" by American Muslims with law enforcement, King said Sunday on CNN. "Certainly my dealings with the police in New York and FBI and others say they do not believe they get the same — they do not give the level of cooperation that they need."   Z: THIS article goes on and ends with the following paragraphs:

King's critics, including the first Muslim elected to Congress, Minnesota Democrat Keith Ellison, say it is wrong to single out a religion.  "We're concerned about the breadth of this," Ellison said on CNN Sunday. "To say we're going to investigate ... a religious minority, and a particular one, I think is the wrong course of action to take."

Congressman King's hearings might be exactly what is needed to wake up good Muslims (and yes, I know many of my readers disagree with me that there are any good muslims) and show America that there are people (Muslims and non Muslims) trying to stop the Imams from creating terrorists in this country who threaten your family and mine.  Would anybody be targeting any particular religious minority if that particular religious minority wasn't quite so obviously worthy of investigation?  Should the hearings be including investigating Sikhs and Lutherans and Catholics so it looks a little less Muslim-specific :-)?  WHY?   Why not let Congressman King talk, have hearings, show what he's got?  TO SEE WHAT AMERICA NEEDS TO BE SAFE AGAIN?   I don't think that will ever happen, America's safety, but at least we can try.  And a White House which can't even mention the words "islamist terrorism" doesn't help.  Calling the hearings a WITCH HUNT doesn't help, either. I understand they want to be nice and can't inflame the nuts here but....STOP THE PRESSES!   ARE there 'nuts' here or aren't there?  And, since everybody seems to agree there are, let's DO something about it, let's TALK politely, with civility, with good information, and maybe some input from the Muslim community just as interested in keeping their children safe as we are.   Who can argue that.....(but the White House!)?   Maybe we'll see some excellent American Muslims who'll speak on America's side during the hearings, wouldn't that be a good thing?

Do you agree that King should hold these hearings and show America is at least trying to do something about terrorism?   And, do you think they'll actually happen on Thursday or be squelched?

z

34 comments:

Steve Finnell said...

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beamish said...

Islam is a religion of peace, and they'll kill you if you say otherwise.

Mark said...

"Being religious is never un-American. Being religious is quintessentially American."

Here, again, is yet more evidence of what I've been saying: Non-Christians don't make a distinction between religion and Christianity.

What they don't seem to understand is Christianity is religion, but religion isn't necessarily Christianity. So let's paraphrase him to make his statement more accurate:

Being Christian is never un-American. Some religion is un-American. Islam is one of the religions that is often anti-American.

Z said...

Well, STeve, thanks so much. I don't formally 'follow' but I may show up now and again. Please see my SUNDAY FAITH BLOGS every week...I can see you have a Christian blog and hope you enjoy my Sunday posts. THanks for the invite.

Beamish...imagine living in a country half of whose people don't want to do everything possible to protect its people??
What do you think of the idea of these hearings?

Mark....you do make a point!

Ducky's here said...

I'm waiting for the right wing to figure out that we depend on intelligence from Muslims. They have supplied tips which have led to arrests.

Letting clowns like King (R- Xenophobia) prance and put on a dog and pony show for the proles will not increase the level of cooperation and will quite possibly lower it.

Bad idea.

Ducky's here said...

And what makes King and the fringe right think that "good Muslims" need a waking up.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that Muslims have a much better idea of what's happening than Peter King does so he may want to lay back a bit.

Z said...

Ducky, as if anybody thinks no muslims have helped! Gee, thanks for the amazing news. Conservatives follow all of this closely; nothing you've got to add is anything new, believe me.

If muslims have a 'much better idea', I'd have thought they'd be so eager to testify at King's hearings. Except they could be killed..oops, forgot about the islamist extremists you don't believe exist.

Anonymous said...

As long as radical liberalism and its evil spawn, political correctness, are involved in policy making, that policy figures to be irrational and have a negative effect on the general welfare of the country. The idea that Islam is not directly involved in terror actions and terror plots in the United States, Europe, the Middle East, Scandinavia, Africa, the Far East, Russia, etc. is laughable. The idea that the Tuscon shooting of Giffords is a possible "terror attack" is even more laughable. By that standard the killing of Nicole Simpson and Ron Goldman where also possible terror attacks. In the liberal mentality, Nicole Simpson was probably terrorized by the attack so why isn't it terror? Most here know that "terrorism" is the use of violence to achieve a political end." But don't tell that to the main stream media or the Obama administration as that just might indict Islamic terrorists who do just that. And we can't have that truth be known because that would be a witch hunt according to the left. And speaking of truth, Christianity is not a religion at all. It is the only belief that is not a religion as religions are systems of belief that outline a means for mankind to reach God. On the contrary, Christianity is the truth that God came down to mankind in the Form Of Jesus Christ in order to form a relationship with His creation.

MGM in Anderson, Indiana USA

beamish said...

I'm waiting for the right wing to figure out that we depend on intelligence from Muslims. They have supplied tips which have led to arrests.

Of the terrorists' B-team, right Ducky?

Letting clowns like King (R- Xenophobia) prance and put on a dog and pony show for the proles will not increase the level of cooperation and will quite possibly lower it.

And then what'll happen? Anything worth pissing our diapers over?

Common Sense said...

I wonder whice Religion has killed the most innocent people in the name of their God?

Just wondering, does anybody know?

Anonymous said...

Ducky, the ACLU and the left have singled out Christians for years. Funny, I haven't heard any objections from you about that!

And you are a good Catholic? You must be very conflicted if you're honest. But then, honesty is not your policy is it?

Eventually push comes to shove whether you like it or not. It'll happen, and it's only a question of when.

Pris

Anonymous said...

A Muslim starts his daily first prayer before the sunrise,

if his thoughts goes to the people who sleep and lose their prayer, his own prayer is vanished.

If his look and his behavior anger the non-BLIEVERS, he dues excuse to those non-believers. And he should modify himself.

Other than that is the DIRT OF IGNORANCE and FENATISIM, and this kind of dirt can be washed and cleaned by two ways.

1 – SHORT TERM way = NAPALM
2 – LONGTERM way = ISOLATION of the lunatics AND EDUCATION.

Appeasement and acceptance of this dirt of Islamism is the complicity.

YOU the Americans, you have two different significations of terrorism.

First signification – American People who considers these lunatics of the Islamists a source of the proliferations of TERRORISM.

SECOND SIGNIFICATION – American Government who considers the people who react like me are the TERRORISTS.
BUT,
I’m a MUSLIM

SAM

Major said...

"Muslims have a much better idea of what's happening than Peter King does so he may want to lay back a bit."


On the contrary oh dim bulb. If they do have a much better idea then why has it not translated into a complete dismantling of the islamist nuts network ( of which 10% are all that's needed to wreak havoc, chaos and mayhem on a selective few ) into a class of degenerates that they'd be willing to turn over to the FBI?

Of course you'll scream about their 1st amendment "rights" like you would for illegal scum invading our borders...when advocating the overthrow of the US government through violent means would get a Christian militia thrown in jail...or a rancher trying to protect his property in any border state prosecuted...yet muslims are immune / sacred cows exempt form scrutiny? Or even question their loyalty to the US and our constitution?

There will be a tipping point in America soon.....just as sure as there was a Gettysburg...there will be an incredible backlash against moooslims for their lack of cooperation, let alone their continued attacks against us.

King is right. King needs to wear the mantle that all fed up Americans ( Once extremely passive and tolerant in matters of religion ) are about moooslim arrogance, ignorance and terrorism.

We who have faced these animals up close and personal and who have lived to tell about it....know far more about this ideology...this fanaticism....this fascistic than someone slurping a starbucks through a straw.

Murdering islamist and moooslims...have made us very very wary of any so called "good" intentions on their part.

If I were them....I'd be afraid...very afraid.

Z said...

Sam, this is what we hear and what we know.
If you're right, and I believe you probably are, SOMEONE or SOMETHING is proliferating the ideas we hear in our media. Without people straightening us out on what we hear to be true, what do you expect Americans to do?

Z said...

Major, there IS nobody more against islamist extremist terrorists than ME but I don't care WHAT you say about my blog or me for having said this, but I don't WANT people coming here and labeling all muslims like this.
We MUST do something about what's happened to our country since 9/11 but what are you going to do, go door to door killing every muslim? That's insane.

Maybe even more insane than leftists questioning the King Hearings.

Major said...

"We MUST do something about what's happened to our country since 9/11 but what are you going to do, go door to door killing every muslim? That's insane."


Really? And just how do you deter their insanity Ms. Z? Through ah.....great speeches....ahhhh religious tolerance? ( Putting aside their complete lack of any form of tolerance....we're assumed to be tolerant of their intolerance, right? )

Ummm.....a little more PC? Maybe like making excuses for CAIR, The MB and every other alphabet soup or terrorist organ the mooooslims have put in our path? All in the name of "brotherhood" right?

I'm sure that many folks some time ago knew Germans that weren't...NAZI's too....but as it turns out....they all knew what was going on and they didn't stop it.

What...NO...you tell me what has changed about this human condition since then? What has changed where any people can call for the demise and the death of America / Americans since then?

All I'm saying is...we need to take it to them. They kill Americans....we retaliate.

It's effective. I know.

Maybe you ought to leave these decisions to proven warriors...like Alan West...who essentially has said the same things as I have said.

And so far...that man has( and you love him dontcha? ) ignored PC crap to express his views that islam is a political ideology masquerading as a "religion" to overthrow this republic.

Do I need to supply CAIR quotes as well?

Face it...you don't like my message and yet you have no idea what these fanatics want and represent. Not discounting your need to...ahhh...trust in and believe that theres always some...good muslims, right?

Z said...

No, Alan West has NOT said the same things you have in the way you have said them.
HOW DARE you imply I'm not against Islamist extremism because I don't believe we need to go 'door to door' killing people.
I KNOW CAIR, I know their awful balking at EVERYTHING AMerican.

I have always said one of the best things that stinking CAIR ever did was shut the 'flying Imams' up...those horrible men who flew on an airline and did things which scared Americans to death. The muslims wanted to sue those Americans who complained and I said "BRING ON THE LAW SUIT, LET AMERICANS SEE THEM BRING GOOD AMERICANS TO COURT AND SEE HOW AMERICANS LIKE IT" but CAIR talked the imams out of it........
CAIR IS A NIGHTMARE...and I don't need YOU telling me how bad some Muslims are, TRUST ME.

I"ve also said "Where are the good Muslims...? Why aren't they marching against the terrorists amongst them, why are they fighting to keep the Feds out of their mosques if they have nothing to hide?" so be careful what you accuse me of, okay?

Ticker said...

We are in a war. In times of war we have investigated those who are the enemy or related to the enemy. We interned a host of Japanese during WW2, rightly or wrongly but in the long run it probably saved lives. We kept a close eye on Germans during that same era and yes some got arrested and a few were hanged. More were investigated and it saved lives.
Is King wrong? Absolutely not and in fact is way past time in doing what he is doing. Had such been done, the Idiot Muslim Ellison from Minnesota would not have been elected in all probablilty for folks would have known what he is up to. Destroy from the inside, infiltration , feeding the enemy with information only available to Congress and giving aid and comfort to the enemy as he did in his remarks. Kinda borders on treason now doesn't it. But then of course we have an Idiot in the WH and his band of merry socialist fools who will in all likelihood stop the investigation before it goes to any depth.

Z said...

Ticker, I think it's way past time, too........I just hope he's allowed to carry on.
The crazy left is now suggesting he's like McCarthy.

McCarthy, with his drinking and nasty behavior and demeanor, did America a LOT of harm. He was totally RIGHT in his doings...but ruined it with his demeanor.
So, now, every time the Left doesn't like something the Right's trying to do to protect our values and protect our country, we hear "MCCARTHYISM!"
very stupid...VERY VERY stupid on their part.

Major said...

Goddamn Ticker.....you have a brain.

"feeding the enemy with information only available to Congress and giving aid and comfort to the enemy as he did in his remarks. Kinda borders on treason now doesn't it."

You bet your Ticker it does.

This is why we need men who will do what they always have done for America...face the enemy and destroy them. And we all know....muslims are the ENEMY within.

I make no bones about my revulsion toward muslims. They have declared war on the US. We need to clear them out...once and for all.

Z said...

Major, really?
You think there's ANYBODY who loves this country and doesn't agree that Ellison is a traitor, Major?
Because I don't feel we need to go house to house blowing muslims out of their homes, I don't think Ellison is a traitor?

Major said...

"I"ve also said "Where are the good Muslims...? Why aren't they marching against the terrorists amongst them, why are they fighting to keep the Feds out of their mosques if they have nothing to hide?"


With all due respect Ms. Z..we are of the same mind. I may feel a bit more proactive than you I think.

I care not...what they MAY believe or desire...I only know that they have NOT done squat to squash these mutts and animals among them. I believe with all my heart and experience....that they ALL, desire sharia and the overthrow of America.

We have not seen evidence to the contrary. They are always...ALWAYS on the offensive.

Therefore in my experience...they are all complicent in their desire to kill America.

Hey....I too know a few muslims...I buy donuts and cigs from them every day.

Z said...

okay, Major, truce :-)

I just wish there was some easy way and it really makes me curious that all of this got so inflamed by 9/11....I mean, heck, what muslim do YOU know who complained about going to college without foot-washing basins BEFORE 9/11? (none) Or what muslim turned cab fares away if there was a dog or booze ? (none) What muslim butcher said he wouldn't cut pork before 9/11? (none)
what is UP?

Major said...

"Because I don't feel we need to go house to house blowing muslims out of their homes"


You're a decent human being Ms.Z...as a former combat Marine...I have a different view. One that we've meticulously maintained to keep our sensitive citizens sensibilities from the realities of war / combat. As you can see from the muslim attacks...it ain't very pretty.

Never was and never will be.

Now we're considering implementing a "No fly Zone" in Libya. Think we should? Do you also think it'll be sanitary killing Libyans from 40,000 feet?

Or is is obscene on a one to one basis?

Once more we doofus dopes are willing to go into an ass backwards muslim shit hole...to save them from what? A islamist takeover?

Z said...

Major, I hate to admit I don't quite understand the implications of a NO FLY ZONE nor how to do it.
I just don't want our boys killed doing anything over there anymore, if you want the truth.
Let's put them at airports and on the borders...and that's IT.
DID I SAY THAT? :-)

Major said...

"Or what muslim turned cab fares away if there was a dog or booze ? (none) What muslim butcher said he wouldn't cut pork before 9/11? (none)
what is UP?"



You're beginning to comprehend the scope and intentions of the muslims desire of conquest...a caliphate...sharia law....and the ultimate demise of America. PERIOD.

Thedy are no different than the commies of the 50's....the commies of the 60's....the radicals too of the 60's.

Same enemy...different name...not commies / reds.....now it's islam / muslims.

Z said...

Seems to me that they'd lay low rather than make such new demands right after some of their own killed 3000 Americans.
There's something huge going on and it's WAY beyond mere fear of terrorism or even Sharia Law...
I think.

Major said...

"Major, I hate to admit I don't quite understand the implications of a NO FLY ZONE nor how to do it."


It's the same lame program we tried against Saddam prior to the first Gulf War....one that I know of. We lost some of our finest aviators / airmen.

Mostly...brother naval aviators. Not ONE...ONE treasured Aviator is worth a camels aas or a barrel of oil from a shit hole like Libya.

I was on skype tonight with a naval aviator in the Med tonight. A hero I've know for over 15 years....he's a CDR now...An O5 ( as I was just an O4 since he's still on active duty...which is the equivalent of an LT Colonel! ). He's not happy with the possibility of another mission that is for naught. Meaning...WTF do we get from this?

Americans wil die for Libyan terrorists. Obama haasn't a fooking clue.

Z said...

I mean, I literally don't know what it means.......
are we trying to prevent other planes for flying over Libya? WHY? Who cares if other planes do?
What's NO FLY ZONE mean exactly?

Z said...

and wait till you see my video tomorrow which I'd readied for posting jyesterday...
let's keep the remarks civil but you will be SO TICKED OFF when you see what's happening in Minnesota with Somalis there...it's astonishing what they're getting away with.

Major said...

"What's NO FLY ZONE mean exactly?"

In essence it means that we launch combat aircraft from our carriers to prevent Libyan Mig21's( and more ) with our F18 / Hornets
to prevent them from launching air attacks against "rebel" forces".

In other words....we use our sledge hammer F18's to crush Libyan's from defending themselves from an islamist / terrorist takeover.

I've been in Libya...in the ME...they're considered progressive and modern.

Even though they're murdering bastards.

They're our murdering bastards.

Major said...

"it's astonishing what they're getting away with."


Do You mean the same shit eating bastard savages that caused BlackHawk Down...or the same shit eating pirates that just killed 4 innocent Americans at sea?

Do you mean the same animal savages that hold dozens of ships for ransom and that have with their row boats....killed trade in the Gulf?

The asshole worthless savages with guns who have faced off navay destroyers because of ....PC?

Holding off the most powerful Naval forces in the history of mankind...cause we don't want to "offend" islamist POS's.?

Mustang said...

Religion isn’t the problem; it is what idiots do with religion that makes it dangerous. Let me demonstrate this point: when people blow themselves up in the name of their religion, that’s a good thing —but when people blow themselves up in the name of their religion, taking innocent people along with them, that’s a very bad thing. This whole topic causes me to think there is no justice in the world —for so many innocent and good people have been utterly destroy by whacko religionists and yet Ducky is still breathing. What’s up with that?

beamish said...

A no fly zone is essentially flying into Libya, taking out their anti-aircraft defenses and planes and helicopters (either in the air or on the ground) and maintaining air superiority over the country.

In the case of Libya, it's a stupid idea:

1.) Europe. They wouldn't let America fly fighter-bombers over Europe to get to Libya to make punitive airstrikes back in the 1980s, out of fear of a terrorist backlash from their Muslim populations. The Muslim population in Europe are still there, even larger, and far more radicalized than in the 1980s.

2.) Because of the difficulties listed above in #1, airstrikes and staging for a continued no fly zone likely won't be permitted to launch from European soil. We'd have to commit carrier battle groups into the Mediterranean specifically for the endeavor. Also because of #1, Europe's not going to man up and conduct the airstrikes and patrol the no fly zone themselves. Imagining Obama trying to convince Europe to rally up some balls is comedy gold. I don't even think even the insane idea of offering to bailout Portugal, Italy, Greece, and Spain's debts would win us basing rights there.

3.) Quadafi's got guerilla mercenaries from central and southern African nations on the ground, all over. In Libya. And Europe. Surgical airstrikes on fixed positions is one thing. Trying to bomb guerillas moving and hiding among civilians without inflicting collateral damage is unrealistic if not impossible.

Should we try to stop Quadafi's assualts on his own people? Yes.

Should we try to stop Quadafi's assualts on his own people without Europe's cooperation and assistance? If need be.

BUT... it should be a deal-breaker. If we have to go it alone against Quadafi's massacres, we should withdraw from the United Nations, and ask them to move their headquarters off of our soil.

Which means, we're going to watch Obama watch a genocide in Libya like Clinton watched a genocide in Rwanda and Bush watched a genocide in the Sudan.

But at least our UN dues are paid.