Did you hear that there is a new PACT that Iraq is making with 'us'?
Please read that link....I have a few comments to make about this incredible idea and I'm hoping you'll chime in:
IF PASSED:
-THE IRAQIS will be able to sue our soldiers and contractors for having gone there to save them from a mad dictator who killed people at his will, creating a society afraid to voice their opinions or do anything that might call attention to themselves which could warrant their entrance into shredders? We killed innocent civilians in our persuit to save Iraq and they're suing..US? Can WE find all those who used Iraqis as human shields and sue THEM now?
-WE have to leave by 2011 UNLESS THE IRAQIS feel they'd like US to stay to support and train them more? We have the pleasure of coming back at their bidding?
-THE IRAQIS will have greater control of our Green Zone?
How's about our suing Iraq for not having guarded the oil production we were supposed to be paid back with for having gone to the extent we have to save their country?
How about suing them for the deaths of all of our soldiers because they allowed insurgents in?
How about suing all Mus lims for the deaths of Daniel Pearl and the others who've been beheaded?
Do you think the French might sue us now for running the Germans out? Why NOT?
My answer to this PACT? We're leaving tomorrow and only leaving soldiers at the Iraqi border so we can still have boots near enough Iran, where the real problems lie. You're on your own, Iraq. Enjoy.
z
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Such perversions make me so sick this is why I can barely stand thinking about politics at all, and why I'm SO glad I know I'm not a citizen of this world. The only real comfort any more is knowing there is a Just Judge who rules it all and will make it all right at the very end.
I believe it's called a SOFA - Status of Forces Agreement and probably runs a lot like the ones we have with other countries Korea, Japan....etc.
I don't believe anyone should be able to sue another country for the deaths of innocents while there's a war going on, Elbro, do you??
This appears to be a standard “Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA).” Such agreements exist with every nation with whom we station US military forces. Many years ago, western nations forced extraterritoriality upon host nations; it was an agreement that if any of our military personnel committed crimes they would not be subject to foreign laws, courts, or incarceration. They would rather be charged, tried, and sentenced by American courts . . . mostly military or naval courts. One can imagine how unhappy “host nations” would be under such arrangements. In the late-1960s, a serviceman murdered and mutilated an Okinawan bargirl. He received seven years imprisonment for this offense, along with a dishonorable discharge. Under Japanese law, he would have received a much more severe punishment.
I don’t have a problem with SOFA agreements, and I do think it is fair that a military or civilian contractor who violates the sanctity of life or property in Iraq should answer to Iraqi justice. Conversely, if an Iraqi soldier committed a crime here in the US while attending a military school, he would answer to a US court.
As to an agreement to withdraw by 2011 . . . well, it is their country (now). We gave it back to them. I do suspect, however, that the liberal wording, “. . . unless the Baghdad government asks some of them to stay for training or security support, the officials said” enables two things: (1) It provides wiggle room for Iraqi politicians, and (2) It leaves the door open for further negotiations should Iran desire to create mischief within that area of the Middle East.
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A SOFA agreement is fine so long as it's not used as a cudgel by anti-American, anti-freedom forces in other countries. Sadly those who hate America all too often get their way.
Where does the billion in aide money we've already sent to Iraq figure into future lawsuits?
Do we get a credit balance to start?
So, Tony C writes one simple sentence and nails it better than my whole blog piece. Thanks, Tony.
I do not think that the same soldiers who've done the best they can should EVER be brought up in a court like this..the language is absolutely insulting and demeaning and America's bigger and so far, far better than that. Did you all READ it the article? the way it's put?
No, as much as I feel NO SOLDIER ought to be impervious to any kind of correction if he really erred, we know what will happen with this. Iraq will pick Jack Murtha to be the lynchman. I exaggerate but you get the point. How do we get soldiers to soldier when they're hand tied by things like this? How do we get police recruits in this country when they're under the scrutiny they're under....when people are SO eager to find THEM wrong??
The thought of an army going in to free a country and then that country taking to court those who might have been imperfect in securing that country to court is appalling to me. HUMAN SHIELDS have been used!!
I'm willing to listen. Help me see where this could be taken as a positive move and not another chance for America to be HUGELY and insultingly DUMPED ON IN THE ATMOSOPHERE WE"RE IN TODAY.
I really am paying attention to Mustang, Elbro, shoprat, as usual...but on this, I need BIG HELP.
eric..well done. We're on YOUR side here. How do you feel about this SOFA thing?
cj.yup.
Z, I agree with your lasat paragraph, tell 'em see ya.
o gosh Z..and now Obama has a lead..oiy!
I'mglad I read the article before I commented. This SOFA isn't terribly different than a lot of others we have. At first I thought the Iraqi courts would have jurisdiction over our people for anything they did over there. THAT would have opened a whole new can of worms. The 2011 part is fine, we'll be close to finished by then anyway. I'm sure they will still want us to train them, especially the Air Force, and whatever else they are still lacking in. I would be surprised if all of our combat brigades weren't home by then anyway.
IF PASSED:
-THE IRAQIS will be able to sue our soldiers and contractors for having gone there to save them from a mad dictator who killed people at his will, creating a society afraid to voice their opinions or do anything that might call attention to themselves which could warrant their entrance into shredders? We killed innocent civilians in our pursuit to save Iraq and they're suing..US? Can WE find all those who used Iraqis as human shields and sue THEM now?
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Actually the ones they want to sue are the mercenaries. A really fine group of men. At the moment these thugs can commit felony murder without recourse.
Sorry, that's not the type of thing decent people should allow.
read it again, Ducky. You're wrong.
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