So, you all hear about my city, LA, and how some guys in West Hollywood (our gay capital here) thought it was VERY cute and VERY Halloween to hang a mannequin of Sarah Palin in effigy from the eaves of their home?
Pretty awful, don't you think? Tonight, I find that, FINALLY, the mayor's admonished them for it (SHOCKING!). Woopdeedoo, as Archie Bunker would say.
Tuesday morning, after hearing about the 'hanging', I went to Mr. Z and said "You know, maybe we ought to hang an Obama effigy from OUR eaves.............THAT will show the Left here! We should DO it and call the LA TIMES with the scoop..." I MEANT it! I said "Nobody CARES about Palin hanging......but let us do that to an Obama DUMMY and people'd go NUTS and we could show the unfairness, the BIAS!" Right?
Then the cold awakening came..........RUH ROH...Hang Obama from a rope? I DON'T THIIIIIINK SO. I want you to know I SERIOUSLY hadn't immediately realized what I was saying. And I was disappointed because I wanted to do this and say "See? You love slamming the Right, but let ME slam a Leftie, and........" Then I remembered the color thing. NO CAN DO.
Is that right? Is that fair? Is that a metaphor for how this campaign's gone? The point is NOBODY ought to do this TO ANYONE, White, Black, or PURPLE..NO HUMAN BEING OUGHT TO HAVE THIS DONE TO THEM, EVEN IN EFFIGY..... This is NOT FREE SPEECH as the gay hangmen and their neighbors who found it SO cute said it is.
And, by the way, where are the women's rights groups? Could they LIKE that? Why aren't they up in ARMS? This is THE GAY part of LA and you can't even find a lesbian when you need one.
z
31 comments:
I wouldn't hesitate for a minute Z, if the Sarah effigy is still there, I'd do it.
I'm going to go buy a Nobama halloween mask and paint a big diagonal slash through it. That is what I will be wearing on November 4th as I spend the day at my ward's polling station.
I wonder, you can't bring advertising into the poll, but how about my mask? Can I wear that inside? HMMMM, I'll have to check on that.
The irony Z is that you woul,d go to jail for an Obama effigy. I work with a young man who is not real bright and is in my opinion a punk, this flashed on CNN yesterday and he laughed. I thought this speaks volumes.
You know why this is worse coming from them? because we are not the party who claims to be the party of open minds, tolerance and peace.
Liberal belief says there is no right or wrong only how you perceive it.. guess that all goes out the window when a republican is involved.
My dear friend Z, why would you even seek to sink to their level? Pretending murder or violence on any person, much less Presidential candidates, creates tremendous sadness in my heart. We'll turn into a clamoring mob if we're not careful.
No harm in hanging anyone in EFFIGY. It's a centuries-old way of expressing dislike, disapproval and contempt for a public figure. Only when the person targeted is ACTUALLY HANGED does it become a serious matter.
I know of at least one person (in New Hampshire) who is hanging Obama in effigy from her front porch this weekend.
I told him it was childish, but so what?
I don't care who's side you are on, when we start to prosecute people for exhibiting BAD TASTE, "inappropriate" FEELINGS, or for having "improper" THOUGHTS, we truly will have lost the right to freedom of speech and expression.
Political correctness already has sped us down this path alarmingly.
As a free people we should not tolerate the concept of "hate crimes," "hate speech" and especially not "thought crimes" which will be the next logical step in that progression.
We need to elect moral leaders, but we cannot allow them to LEGISLATE MORALITY.
Rush has often said that liberalism was the triumphant expression of symbolism over substance and style over content. When we start to care more about symbolism and style, and rhetoric than reality than we do about actual performance, we lost significance proportionately and become hopelessly shallow and jejune.
J.J.J. Schmidt
Then the cold awakening came..........RUH ROH...Hang Obama from a rope? I DON'T THIIIIIINK SO.
-----------------
No, you'll let the South's finest plan an assassination.
As has been said, the Left understood those freaks to be aberrations and didn't push it as representative of the right, although one of your sometimes posters to voice support for the skinheads on his blog, z.
However this restraint isn't as common on the right where you will take any anecdotal event and blow that up into some stereotyped "truth".
Tempest in a teapot. Although it's most representative of the climate of hate that continues to form in America. I believe the right, being lousy at developing a comic voice, brings an ineptitude that is more responsible for this division.
Ducky,
I wish I could get over this need to try to take you even slightly seriously. The right is responsible for this? let me put it to you this way. We stand against Obama because he has lied to our faces from the moment he stepped on Camera, we stand against Obama because he is hiding more skeletons in his closest than Ed Gein and he refused to let anyone know anything about his past at all. We stand against his because his policies are insane and he is running on a complete lie.
Liberals hated Sarah Palin before they even knew who she was, the first month or hate and leftward mudslinging were all based on lie, but finally they found some REAL reasons to hate her.. really big important things like.. keeping her child even though it was retarded, allowing the GOP to buy clothes for her that cost a lot of money, and having faith in god.
What a horrible character she is Ducky... that Caribou Barbie!! how dare she look good, she is setting women back 50 years!!!
Do you know what the problem is Ducky? every day new lies about Palin are told and the media jump in to turn it into truth, every day more truth is told about Obama and the media jumps to turn it into lies.
Truth- Obama is a Marxist who was planted where he is now, he has no experience except spending an entire career amongst the biggest scum this world has to offer..
Truth- Palin comes from humble beginnings and was fed up with corruption in politics, the kind of corruption found in every circle Obama has ever worked in.. She means what she says and she says what she means, it may not always be popular but you know it's not just what we want to hear.
When Obama can stop lying about what he stands for and come right out with it.. if he can slip it out like he did with Joe the Plumber and not later retract it and try to cover it up and refuse to answer questions related to Marxism.. we he can just be honest and not be elected on a complete bed of lies, then you might have a leg to stand on.. but he is a filthy liar and nothing more.. I can handle a socialist running for President, what I can't handle is a socialist lying about being one running for president.
Palin is a conservative.. and shes not once pretended to be anything but.
Z, If yu want to make a statement why not hang up a skeleton, with a sign hung around it's neck that says, "The Press".
Only thing, I'm not sure too many people would "get It".
Ducky - You are so blind. It's time you take a serious look at your own side, and stop passing the buck.
We all know that on leftist websites Tony Snow's death was celebrated, to name one example.
You think calling hate a "comic voice", excuses it? There's nothing funny about hanging a human being in effigy. It becomes tolerable if done enough. This sort of thing is a cancer on our society.
Pris
Well yes mifit, Palin is a conservative, not a very intelligent one but go where you want with that.
The question here is the issue of hanging her in effigy. Vulgar, bad taste but nothing a reasonable person would make an issue of. However, z will try to make it an issue and something representative of the left.
Now compare this to the left's response to the skinhead filth that planned to assassinate Obama. We didn't make them right wing poster boys even though Steve posted support for their cause we on the left continue to see them as aberrations.
The left thinks. The right reacts.
This was wrong.
For anyone not to see that is their business but I and my readers have every right to still believe it's wrong.
To suggest this is "Z's problem" is ridiculous and desperate.
To suggest this is just a timeworn habit and what the heck is just as sad.
No, I don't think we need to give in to people like this, nor do I think we give in to the TN people who supposedly wanted to kill Obama and other Blacks (Of course, it the 'OTHER BLACKS' hadn't been added to the threat, one MIGHT have thought this was just a hate crime against ANY candidate, throwing in the OTHER BLACKS made it more obvious that it's racist...I'm wondering who REALLY planned this...if it was planned at all)
Average: it depends on your state, I think most states don't allow any campaigning stuff in the precinct. But, I did hear that Obama people were registering voters within 100 ft of one precinct, blatantly against the law, and no officials were complaining. I'm sorry I didn't keep that article, it was from yesterday.
Yes, I would go to jail for an Obama effigy, Chuck. That is the WHOLE POINT and why I wrote this article.
Gee, I just hate to make an "issue" of typical media and leftist ignoring of anything the Left does and clamping down on the Right...but, hey, somebody's got to do it. it's about damned time.
Granny, my point is fairness. I would definitely 'go to their level' if I could have made this city finally wake up and realize the bias; I'd go to jail for that to shake people up to the truth.
I would not have put that awful thing up with Obama's image hanging for any other reason but to show the hypocrisy. The LA Times would have gone NUTS...their normal editorial frontpage (which is losing readers by the millions) would have condemned ME, they had no editorial comment on the W Hollywood house owners.
That Ducky is starting to get obnoxious. Really obnoxious. Maybe he could get up with that psychopath that used to haunt Brookes blog, Dora. They could go to counseling sessions together.
I wonder how much time he has spent in the South. Not much, clearly. Gets his information from the Talking Heads, no doubt.
Firstly Daffy Duck,
What is right wing about Skinheads? Skinheads are Anarchist Nazis.
Hitler was a Socialist who felt that certain classes of people were holding back others, he fought to insure they had "planned parenthood" options so they could abort those they deemed inferior (Hey Daffy, sounds a lot like Palins critics who bash her for bringing a Mongoloid into this world does it not?), like many Liberals Hitler was a Vegetarian (and like most of these liberals, including my ex girlfriend who was a Liberal vegetarian.. they cared more about Animals than they did people).
Conservatism means to give the greatest amount of freedom while still keeping social order. Liberalism means- full freedom regardless of social order.
Now which one sounds closer to Anarchist to you?
Skinheads do this because they have no affiliation, no moral backbone, nothing but hate and rage for everyone who is not like them, and there is nothing right wing or republican about that.
Republicans- Treat Everyone the Same
Democrats- have to make special cases for every race, because they feel they are not capable enough to do anything on their own..
Thanks Hermit and misfit...excellent points.
I do struggle with the fact that any time an American is a terrible guy, they're called NAZIS. but.....it's done a LOT.
Americans should get our own word for scummy, murderous behavior of our OWN.
Ducky's good at hanging labels on people just trying to live their lives (here, he's frequently calling Republican politicans gay, etc etc.), maybe he can come up with a good term for the Tim McVeigh types amongst us?
Not only that, hermit, the two fine young men were from SMALL TOWNS. The REAL AMERICA.
What are you folks growing down there?
Well in the case of the Obama assassination plot, it turns out they were Nazi's. Ducky, do you know what Nazism means? it's a short name for National Socialism (Nationalsozialismus). It was the political platform of the National German Socialist Worker's Party.
A Nazi is of it's own Political platform, but which American Party best stands as a National Workers Socialist Party?
misfit? My opinion? Not Germans=not NAZIS.
BAD, HORRID, but not NAZIS.
You're absolutely right about which party most emulates the NAZIS in German of old, though.....The party that wants to CONTROL us, have HUGE messianic gatherings honoring the Fuhrer (leader), tell us what WE NEED, take CARE of us....sound familiar?
Ducky...Al Capone was Chicago...Son of Sam was in New York. The South has nothing to do with it.
Seriously Duck,
The South Also used to vote Democrat, they formed the KKK as Democrats, passed Jim Crow laws as Democrats.. but you know... the party became so corrupt and evil even the KKK could hardly stand to vote for them anymore...
The left thinks. The right reacts.
No, the left are mentally retarded, like you, Duck. The right just want to put people like you in the boiler room.
Comic voice?
The question here is the issue of hanging her in effigy. Vulgar, bad taste but nothing a reasonable person would make an issue of. However, z will try to make it an issue and something representative of the left.
So answer me this, Ducky: If an effigy of Barry were hung in a conservative strong-hold, would you still consider it simply vulgar and in bad taste, but nothing to make an issue of?
Or would your keister be in such a tight knot, you'd need Preparation H to pass wind?
As for hanging BO in effigy, that would as you figured out, be a "hate crime." Not that I would like to see it done, I am vehemently against hate crimes legislation. If someone commits a murder a person dies. If it falls into the so-called hate crime category the person isn't deader because it was a hate crime. It should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. Hate crimes criminalize thoughts. Thoughts, no matter how repugnant, are just that, thoughts. The motive for the murder is inconsequential. Murder it murder. Prosecute the criminal. It makes no sense to add time to the jail sentence because of what the criminal thought while committing the crime. Hate crime legislation is a "feel good" law. It deters nothing. Your thought to hang someone in effigy should be protected speech. My final thought, is who sets the agenda for who is protected by hate crime legislation. Can you actually place, oh I don't know, politicians in the protected class? The Alien and Sedition Acts were rightfully vilified. Speech should be protected, after all you can do any number of disgusting things to the American flag, can't you?
Ducky, it's really easy for you to insult Southerners on someone's blog. No consequences. You don't have to worry about being called to account for your insults, because you are safe in the ether. Here, we consider it cowardly to insult someone as you have in any manner other than face to face. So be obnoxious as you like, if that's your style. I don't know why Z lets you troll here, but it's her blog. As far as I'm concerned, I'm engaging my twit filter and you're history.
hermit, I don't have a filter, and I choose not to go on moderation again, but I might.
Sorry for the insults; Ducky never addresses the points he just attacks. I'm surprised you weren't called Gay, frankly.
Yea, Ducky is pretty much like that crazy old man who walks around town with his underwear on the outside of his pants that digs through your garbage cans.. occasionally he wanders into the bar you and your buddies are sitting at talking over world events over a cold beer. He just buts into the conversation with rants that have little relevance to the topic at hand and really don't make much sense to anyone but him.
you can be wet behind the ears at this and argue with him fruitlessly like me, or be a seasoned pro and ignore him and let him go back to doing something odd like collecting toenails in a jar.
He's not your fault, Z. I shouldn't let people like that get my goat, and I usually don't. It's not like I haven't heard it before.
he's a kind of comic relief?
That's right , always say it is the deep southern states hicks who want to hang them thar darkies.
Oh yes.
I love how enlightened people such as the quacker enthall all with their superior knowledge and understanding of events and humans.
As for the two dumb jerk crack heads who were supposedly planning on eventually hunting down Mr. Obama...now they are saying it was not such a hard plot to kill him off, after all.
Yes. Every day down south people run out with their swords and machetes , waiting for their marching orders to hunt down all those uppity black men and women.
By the way, today there was a story about an effigy found of Obama hanging around at a campus in Kentucky.
Oh, what's that ??? A hate thought crime?
The double , triple standards some exude here are an affront to my delicate disposition.
Goodness, I am getting the vapors.
Ever go to England boys and girls and hear of a fellow called Guy Fawkes? That was a fellow who plotted to over throw the English government. Anyhow, every year around early November, ( oh, about the time we have elections) there are these big bon fires and an effigy is made of Guy Fawkes, and he is hung and burned.
WVDOTTR
I am reporting hearing that the effigy of Sarah Palin has now been taken down.
WVDOTTR
Yes, I heard the effigy came down. Actually, someone said they're COVERED.
Disgusting.........what civility.
But, folks...you can't expect much from West Hollywood..trust me. Some nice guys there, but, well....it's VERY heavily one 'persuasion', shall we say. AGENDA
I think it's all about accountability. When you know that the courts are in your favor, you'll get away with anything.
It's all about political correctness.
JJJ Schnmidt's comments made perfect sense to me, though.
Yes, it's distasteful and vulgar, but it's legal. And since it's legal, it should be legal for everyone. Even for Z! :-) Z, please don't do this. I don't want you getting death threats.
Look, if it is ok to hang an effigy of Sarah Palin, then it is ok to hang an effigy of Barack Obama.
Either there is one law for all the people of this country or not.
Which is it?
If this is not the case, then everything else the Left says is all lies.
And that is just simple logic and truth.
WVDOTTR
thanks, Pinky. I'm not doing it.
Los Angelenos (and the country?) saw the hate in the Left. That's enough for me, honey.
Right, WV...there are laws for the left and laws for us. Wait till the left rules the WH and the Congress and the SCOTUS.
We'll be finished. Think Fairness Doctrine. Blogs. We won't even have a voice.
Post a Comment