Does it really matter how it went? The media's so in the bag for Obama that none of his character issues, none of his background, none of his terrible choices in acquaintances, none of his misrepresenations, none of the changing minds because the polls didn't like a statement, nothing really matters. It doesn't even matter that every answer seemed to be "depend on the government!" He even had the guts to say "Mr. McCain hasn't told us how he's going to pay for this." WHAT? And you did, Mr. Obama?
Synopsis: Neither of them did badly. Neither did much better than the other.
I was struck with the fact that Obama was still wearing the bracelet the mother of the dead soldier asked him not to exploit, not to continue to wear. There it was. Character issue? Yes, maybe it was another bracelet. I sincerely hope so.
When the woman in New Hampshire's question was "What don't you know?" McCain should have said "I don't know enough about Barack Obama. Nobody knows enough about his alliances, about his background, about so much..........."
What did you think?
z
44 comments:
One thing, these debates, short of something big, has rarely had a major effect on a campaign. Just ask Al Gore and John Kerry. McCain has work to do, I think he laid the base for it tonight. He now has to go out and actually campaign.
Good point, Chuck, McCain did lay a better foundation, better base, for the campaign. He needs to hit hard on the things he touched on tonight.
I'm still chuckling over the nerve of a man with Obama's plans to attack McCain for not knowing how he can pay for things!
One thread throughout all of Obama's plans was GO TO THE GOVERNMENT. I was waiting for him to talk about government-owned car factories, too...did you get that drift? It was such an obvious conclusion when he talked about jobs and cars made here.
Very scary. He's so different a leader than I'd have ever imagined for America. But, then, I never imagined entitlement lovers in America quite as many as there are, either. After all, suddenly, most feel healthcare is a RIGHT.
astonishing.
McCain needs to start talking tough. Quit being so mamby pamby. He's all soft and squishy, like he wants to appeal to everyone, right up the middle. WHO CARES??
He needs to point out how serious this is, that there are people in Obama's past that the public needs to know about, that he has connections with the Saudi's, that he wants to REDISTRIBUTE OUR INCOME!!
GOOD GOSH, PEOPLE!
sorry, Z.
The redistribution of income is enough to push me over the edge every time. I don't see why McCain doesn't jump all over that. He needs to flat out define it for the American public.
I agree. If Obama won't tell the American people who Obama is, then McCain needs to start doing it. I think Palin got the ball rolling last week and hopefully they will continue to inform Americans all the way up to Election Day.
I think there were several missed opportunities, but I'm not John McCain and he has his own style, his own personality. Reaganesque charisma is not one of his cards. But I do have an editorial up if you have time.
Even McCain is too much government; and this mortgage bail out really does fry my fritters.
I'm from New Hampshire. I was proud that one of "our own" up here got the last question. I was PISSED OFF at NOBAMA for not acknowledging it or answering it. At least McCain answered it. You are 100% right on what he should have said. My thought was, "I don't know how anybody could vote for 'that guy'"
I work, so haven't seen the debate yet.
I was struck with the fact that Obama was still wearing the bracelet the mother of the dead soldier asked him not to exploit, not to continue to wear. There it was. Character issue? Yes, maybe it was another bracelet. I sincerely hope so.
I don't think the mother minds him wearing it; it's him bringing it up to garner political points. She doesn't want her son's memory to be used as a political weapon.
Average American, I worry about McCain having referred to Obama as "THAT GUY"..it would have been fine if he'd followed up with "..but THIS GUY.." (point to himself..) I haven't watched one minute of the after debate chatter; anybody mentioned that?
Pinky, why 'sorry'? YES, McCain DEFINITELY should have mentioned the redistribution of wealth IN THAT TERM. He spoke around it, but not with that TERM.
How's about that big VOLUNTEER GROUP of young people he thinks'll join? Sure, if he promises them free cocaine for a month or something!? You watch those kids singing about Obama on that video, then watch those Black kids in fatigues practically swearing allegiance to the GREAT ONE and you do wonder about this 'big youth group'. yikes.
There were missed opportunities, no doubt, Mustang. Will get over to your place now and see your editorial! Thanks.
Every time McCain mentioned Obama and Freddie and Fannie, Obama whitewashed it pretty well.....people believe him. That's the problem. They are so enchanted they can't see the reality.
Word, I thought she asked him not to wear it?
The point is you'd have thought that even the small amount of scandal the media allowed itself to mention for three seconds should have made him remove it...maybe he felt it would be perceived like when he scrubbed the American flag off the plane he flies in to make sure for the Obama seal. Oh, wait..the media didn't even MENTION that, did it.
no, of course not.
.....watch those Black kids in fatigues practically swearing allegiance to the GREAT ONE.....
Have you heard the latest Z, those kids made that clip in a charter school. Their teacher has been suspended for putting it on YouTube. The kids should have been expelled with him. That kind of shit is scary.
McCain supported the bailout, and now he wants to spend an extra three-hundred billion or so of your dollars buying up bad mortgages, changing the terms to reflect deflated values so people can stay in their homes.
He's also a full supporter of a Combatting Climate Change Agenda.
Yet he's against out-of-control government spending.
He' almost as much a socialist as Obama.
Obama came across as cocky, arrogant, "Look, Ma, I'm Winning" was written all over his body language and that overworked, sickeningly sweet, "A'int I cute?" grin he uses whenever McCain is trying to say something serious.
And of course Brokenjaw let Obama talk as long as he wanted and make verbose "rebuttals" while McCain politely kept within the designated time frame.
And by the way, does ANYBODY really TALK the way Brokenjaw does? All those old anchor boys always sounded as though they had a mouth full of hot potatoes. Brkenjaw's diction seem ponderous, overbearing and out of date.
Anyone besides me notice that while he was spectacularly glib, Obama's beautifully modulated, sonorous, well-produced baritone became very TEDIOUS as it droned on and on and on?
Too bad glib, shallow and aloof too easily pass for "serious" and "competent!"
All in all it was a yucky evening.
BAAAAAAAAWRING! Is the ultimate verdict.
J.J.J. Schmidt
AA....I'm not sure if the kids should be expelled. That teacher made them do that, or at least indoctrinated them INTO it.
Suspended for putting it on YouTube? Or for having done this at ALL? I think he was suspended for the illegal indoctrination.
Some lawyer on FOX was fighting for the teacher's "FREE SPEECH!" .... it was just stunning to see her stick up for this. She kept saying how the kids were saying such positive things abuot their futures because Obama would give them pride in themselves, etc etc.
It's SO illegal, SO against the constitution, but AA, these people have actually found something they WILL fight to the death for........OBummah.
Brokaw always sounds like a drunk to me.
As for mcCain's liberal plans? I'd vote for him against Obama ANY day. Sad he's gone so squishy, but........ anything's better.
I was just thinking I wish mcCain hadn't mentioned WARREN BUFFET to help with the economic situation...MITT ROMNEY might have been a name with more gravitas and much more conservative approval......sad chance he missed there.
I haven't digested the contents of the debate in full, but what I seen of the highlight reel impressed me with McCain's performance. The "town hall debate" format is his forte. I'll catch a late night rebroadcast of it later.
In other news, Sarah Palin's on the stump making Obama's terrorist pal Bill Ayers famous, just in time for an ACORN vote fraud ring in the state of Nevada to get busted by state investigators.
It's beginning to look like Obama's last wisp will be "I'm the true candidate of change! What other Presidential candidate would pick a babbling brain aneurysm with hairplugs to be his running mate?"
z i think if mccain was more of an ideologue he could have buried obama. he missed another chance.
I don't like his economics, his foreign policy goals, his progressive positions, his past alliances, his wife and his pastor; and that's without thinking...
Keep up the good work z...
I'm pretty much just following the economy. The comrades are nationalizing some good size banks in England today.
That said I thought Obama helped himself. They can go back and forth on the economy but, right or wrong, McCain owns this mess.
Obama came off as much more focused and firm on foreign policy. He has consistently matched McCain in an area which is supposed to be (and in fact clearly is not) McCain's one area of strength.
Advantage Obama.
My opinion on the Presidential debate? I believe we may have discovered the cure for insomnia last nigh.
beamish, I'll be eager for you to see the whole thing and report!
ai...imagine anyone believing this man? He speaks haltingly and they call him 'intellectual'. Funny, when Bush spoke haltingly, they called him ineloquent.
JM: Good point. I did sleep better last night!
Ducky..nobody expects anything rational or real from you. Right off the bat, you say something so silly it negates everything else.
"McCain OWNS THE MESS" but, because you've never seen the video of Daniel Mudd telling Obama as he stands on a stage with the Black National Caucus that "We will do anything you need to do to get home loans to minoriites, just let us know if we can do MORE because YOU are the 'conscience of congress'. WOW. Then to deny Obama's taking so much money from Fanny and Freddie! By the way, Obama never 'corrected' that point, either.
Ya, McCain OWNS it. Because he tried to warn about it. Obama didn't even sign the letter from the senate asking for safeguards. but "McCain wants DEREGULATION!"
But, style beats substance anymore: You memorize and spew and look intellectual and YOU WIN! America loses......SO big time.
i, too, couldn't sleep last night...Mccain needs to step up.
Regarding Fanny and Freddie campaign
contributions:
And other current McCain campaign staffers were the lobbyists receiving shares of that money. According to the Senate Lobbying Database, the lobbying firm of Charlie Black, one of McCain's top aides, made at least $820,000 working for Freddie Mac from 1999 to 2004. The McCain campaign's vice-chair Wayne Berman and its congressional liaison John Green made $1.14 million working on behalf of Fannie Mae for lobbying firm Ogilvy Government Relations. Green made an additional $180,000 from Freddie Mac. Arther B. Culvahouse Jr., the VP vetter who helped John McCain select Sarah Palin, earned $80,000 from Fannie Mae in 2003 and 2004, while working for lobbying and law firm O'Melveny & Myers LLP. In addition, Politico reports that at least 20 McCain fundraisers have lobbied for Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, pocketing at least $12.3 million over the last nine years.
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That comes from Mother Jones so I won't bother to post a link. Site would make you folks glow.
However, it does give you some insight into why you should check into who backs McCain and realize that huge institutions like Fannie hedge their bets and give big money to both sides.
um. Obama took money, not his people. Oh, except his advisors who created this mess with him; Raines, Johnson..etc. and the whole NBCaucus, which strongarmed Mudd into starting the downfall.
Mother Jones, Free Republic...I don't read much of the fear mongering, ultra biased stuff.
You shouldn't, either.
See the post I just added to my blog.
"Archives prove Obama was a New Party member!"
I wonder if that might change anyones mind?
Some comment on McCain's proposal to stabilize housing should be in order. Most all reasonable people believe that housing stabilization is critical to resolving the current mess so what does John want to do.
McCain's plan is for the government to buy up $300 billion of distressed mortgages not at current market value but at full face value. Got that? Full face value, that's important:
We would in fact be taking the negative equity position and putting it on the taxpayers books instead of putting it on the private lenders books or the homeowners books.
The McCain plan is:
* Take $300 billion.
* Pay double current market value to banks that have troubled mortgages on their books, thus:
o Give a present of $100 billion to the bankers who made the loans.
o Acquire and regularize the mortgages of only two-thirds as many homeowners as could have been accomplished if the $300 billion were invested wisely.
There's a big difference here: Democrats want to prevent depression and support the financial markets by investing taxpayer money in banks with troubled assets. Republicans want to give taxpayers money away to the shareholders and managers of banks with troubled assets.
I would say that this is unbelievable, but I do believe it.
I invite responses from those who say I don't speak to issues.
This is my blog. I have to hear and read enough smug mischaracterizations from people like you in the papers, on the internet, all the networks, CNN, etc etc.
You are SO CERTAINLY not doing this HERE, TRUST ME.
Thanks.
Now, you yell censorship (I couldn't care LESS), and then you remind yourself that Obama's censored his past, his alliances, his actions in Chicago and many other things.
I'm leaving this last ridiculous comment here. then you're done.
Ducky,
There's a big difference here: Democrats want to prevent depression and support the financial markets by investing taxpayer money in banks with troubled assets.
Uh huh.
And that can't happen if on1y 2/3rds of the bad mortgages are bailed out if McCain gets his way.
That would be 2/3rds of the 1% of mortgages in default that on other days you argue have nothing to do with the credit crisis.
You're a leftist, Ducky. Stick to critiquing turd sculptures. Economics aren't a leftist's forte.
Oh the irony. The Democrats opposed regulation concerning the GSEs for years and denied there was any problem with them.
Then all of a sudden they flip flopped when they couldnt keep up the lies any longer.
Who is the authentic McCain?
My friends, that one , John McCain, shows himself to be of sordid character by unleashing his self-described lipsticked pitbull to smear Obama before her fan club of Joe Six-Packs and hockey mums, pandering to the worst elements in the crowd, eliciting from them cries of “Terrorist!” and “Kill him!”
thank GOD someone's pointing the perils of Obama out. I'm so proud of her, aren't you all? WHAT a relief to hear a truth teller and how crazed the liars are these days!
NO problem about Obama..NOTHING sticks, but let someone tell the truth and Palin is like a cross to vampires.
Despite his promise to conduct a clean campaign, that one, McCain, who is having his surrogates do his sleazy campaigning for him (cynically painting Obama as a terrorist for an association that was not close with an ex-radical professor of education), should not be casting the first stone, as fundamentalists say. For, among other things, McCain sat on a board that promoted eugenics to ensure white supremacy, and gave his support to a woman (most recently a McCain delegate) who was praising as a fine lady another woman who had shot an abortion doctor.
Palin is like a cross to McCain, if one reads polls. She is proving to be a drag on the ticket. Most Americans don't believe she is prepared to be president if need be.
As McCain's odds shrink, his supporters will get meaner. Watch for it.
It's funny that leftards call TRUTH a sleaze campaign.
It's also funny that YOUR candidate is the one going around bumming cigarettes on the campaign trail, which is a step down from the marijuana and cocaine of yesterday in the history of Obama. And what did you idiots say about Bush's drinking?
Innuendoes and smears are not truth.
Sleazy campaigning, to rational people, is distracting from the real issues with innuendoes and smears.
papa: It's also funny that YOUR candidate is the one going around bumming cigarettes on the campaign trail, which is a step down from the marijuana and cocaine of yesterday in the history of Obama. And what did you idiots say about Bush's drinking?
They said Bush had an arrest on his record for driving under the influence that Papa Bush had squashed. He refused to talk about his use of marijuana and cocaine.
I don’t think smoking on the campaign trail is a crime.
average American: PSI, you are a friggin idiot! If Sarah Palin is not qualified(and she is only running for the number 2 slot), then what in Hell does NOBAMA bring to the table? He has ABSOLUTELY NO experience! He has never been an executive. He has never been the only one to decide what goes on.
No, Joe, the truth is there are more average Americans who believe Obama will make a better president than there are those who think McCain will. They don’t think executive experience is an indispensable qualifying factor. If it were, then Palin would be at the top of the ticket and McCain at the bottom. However, it should be noted that Obama, who was chairman of the board of several community improvement funds, is running a phenomenally successful campaign organization for his first national race.
But Joe, you don’t have to worry about not being civil to me. Z loves that.
Yeah the general consensus is that both didn't do much. From my point, like you said about the media, Obama can afford to let some slide on by and not score many points. McCain cannot.
He may yet open the can on Obama, but i wonder if it's too late now.
So Obama is ready to be president because he has a presidential campaign?
Utterly ridiculous.
No wonder the Obama cult clapped when Obama stopped a speech to blow his nose.
When you are blindly looking for a reason to believe, your standards can be lowered beyond reason.
Um, pSi Bond, Obama does NOT smoke on the campaign trail...not with cameras around. Do you get the difference? no, probably not.
As for being uncivil? There's nobody I am uncivil with but you. That should tell you something.
I'm sorry for you, you like to consider yourself intelligent then you vote for someone every air head celebrity, every despot around the world, and Farrakhan and Wright are going to vote for. Make you feel good?
you just like to fight, psi bond, it's clear to everyone who's seen you at FPM and here...late into the night, looking for a scrap.
And, for some reason, you come here for it now. Fire away, I'd be uptight believing in the things you do, too. Maybe it's guilt, maybe it's frustration that you know you're making a huge mistake but just can't bring yourself to see the goodness and pro-American-ness of the other ticket? I don't care.
Freedom Now, I've actually heard "the way he's run this campaign!" as a reason to vote for Obama. People honestly don't know that his handlers are running this campaign. Of course, I have my reasons for believing it's FAR FAR FAR more than just 'handlers' running his campaign. Just consider the list of people Americans used to be rightfully AFRAID of and how they're right in there working for him.
imagine.
Of course Z. That is a rather long topic, but just the idea that someone is qualified to be president only because they have a presidential campaign is silly enough.
freedomnow: So Obama is ready to be president because he has a presidential campaign?
No, Obama shows impressive executive skills in picking good people to manage a presidential campaign that, under his control, has the capability of beating seasoned politicos like Hillary and McCain.
Utterly ridiculous.
It’s utterly ridiculous, freedomnow, to believe that that is what I said –––namely, that he is ready to president because he has a presidential campaign. In that case, any Joe Six-pack or Alaska hockey mum could be ready.
No wonder the Obama cult clapped when Obama stopped a speech to blow his nose.
When you are blindly looking for a reason to believe, your standards can be lowered beyond reason
When members of the McCain cult who’re really mad are looking for a cause for denigrating Obama they don’t trouble with reasonable standards. I am hearing Karl-Rove-style rumors that Obama fathered a black baby. Come on! That can’t be true.
What it tells me, Z–––your encouragement of your cronies to be uncivil to me–––is that you are fundamentally intolerant of the political opinions of others who are, for whatever perverse reasons, not like-minded. Since you evidently think you enjoy certain knowledge of the Absolute Truth, anyone who disagrees must be in the tank with the Devil, in your modest view.
I am ashamed that some of my fellow Americans insist I should be ashamed because of whom I decide to vote for. In my humble view, no voter should shamelessly belittle other voters for not being “pro-American” or for supposedly favoring evil in their choice of candidate. I have to wonder what they call that one who has no doubt she is in possession of The Truth, and is forever trying to instruct others who think differently how to think "correctly".
I don't care.
For someone currently professing indifference, you have given a very credible performance of being really mad. You may have vast powers of indifference, but they are not in evidence here.
Imagine, TOM–––I mean Z (I was thinking of Tom Brokaw unable to read his script at Endtime), what the world would be like if no one who can vote dissented, if everyone totally agreed with you. Utopia?
psi bond. you're not banned.
draw your own conclusions. And please stop whining.
How many times will I have to tell you that my blog is like the others on my blogroll..the blog is MY BLOG, you are a guest here.
If you can't stop misrepresenting and mischaracterizing the truth, or at least stop insulting, you're not welcome. It's just manners.
pure and simple. I do not work hard on MY BLOG to encourage people who spew nothing but what all of us are subjected to daily; CNN, the networks, the big city liberal papers, etc etc.
You should be ashamed of your liberal media but you come here instead and repeat it. Not here. TRUST me.
We blog to get the truth, to get information your media won't tell us, is hiding. CNN still hasn't mentioned the guts of the ACORN/OBAMA connection, for just one example. This is frightening.
You are not welcome here to do the same ridiculous obfuscation.
Thank you.
Tenaciously trying, in conjunction with the Palin campaign, to create an image of Obama as a scary guy who pals around with a domestic terrorist, rightwing media and blogs simply do not recommend themselves to rational people as credible news sources. Many Americans do not believe the rightwing blogs are the repositories of incontrovertible truth that they claim to be. Nor do they believe the New York Times is only trustworthy when it prints a news story that can be misrepresented so as to bolster a rightwing talking point (which Sarah Palin recently did). The majority in America are not buying the smears of Obama as a heinous traitor that rightwingers aggressively propagate as unquestionable dogma.
Perhaps aware that the scare tactics are backfiring or recognizing that inciting the mob to screams of decapitation is extreme, McCain said today at a rally in Minnesota, despite Palin-McCain ads saying the opposite, “I have to tell you: Sen. Obama is a decent person and a person you don't have to be scared of as president of the United States.” (You can’t make that up.) Rightwingers devoted to smear mongering and other disreputable types will need to whine that McCain is lying.
To decent folk, the mainstream media are not to blame for not making anything major of the fact that Obama said “TOM or John” in the first debate. There’s no newsworthy substance in that one. Both Barack and John said TOM several times in their second debate. However, I’m sure none of that will satisfy you, just as CNN won’t satisfy you no matter how much time they devote to the ACORN story unless they closely link Obama to it
If you cannot tolerate any challenges to your devout belief in what you trustingly consider “The Truth about Obama”, I am not ashamed to say I do not feel sorry for you, Z.
You're welcome.
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