Thursday, October 30, 2008

Dear Mr and Mrs Liberal American


To Mr. and Mrs. Liberal American,

Conservatives are tired and a little scared of you, to be honest.

You see, we feel you’re about to finally change our great country beyond our recognition and way beyond the desire of our founding fathers and we don’t like that, but every time we try to speak out, we’re called RACIST, BIGOT, NONINCLUSIVE, OUT OF TOUCH…..you name it, we’re it.

Having said that, some of us still think that not all Democrats are Marxists. Some of us remember Pat Moynihan and Tip O’Neal. We didn’t much agree with them, but we felt that they loved America, hated Communism, and would fight hard to promote the success and well being of all of us. I believe they respected and loved the constitution. Some of you either don’t understand it or you resent it; it’s hard to believe that your viewpoints could possibly be taken as following the letter of the laws.

Conservatives are against illegal immigration and sanctuary cities. We feel our country is better served with people who want to come here and be Americans, not sneak in and go on the dole. We feel breaking the laws to come in isn’t a good start toward the goal of becoming a lawful American and we feel working lawfully to get into this country helps aliens feel more respect for us. By the way…we think they should have respect for us. But, then we have sanctuary cities, thanks to liberals. How much respect could law breakers possibly have when we ourselves break our own laws? (We do NOT HATE illegals or Hispanics or anyone else)

Conservatives don’t want you to take our guns away. Read the constitution, it’s right there and we like it. We want protection in case things go wrong. The British got rid of their guns and gun crime went up 24%. (We do NOT believe taking all the guns except those of criminals who’ll never give them up is going to make us safer; how could you?)

Conservatives cherish marriage between a man and a woman and would like to continue that tradition. Statistics (as if anyone needs a study for this?) show that children thrive when they have a mom and a dad who are committed to each other; they benefit from learning from and being nurtured by both. This plan has benefited societies for a couple of thousand years and we don’t see a need to change it. If you feel gay couples have no rights, consult your lawyer, he’ll show you how you’ve been lied to. (We do NOT hate gays) We also believe in the protection of unborn children. And we certainly don't believe babies born in spite of botched abortions shouldn't get medical care. (We believe a child has as many rights as its mother)

Conservatives feel that this country was founded on freedom OF religion, not FROM religion. Lately, we’re starting to feel our Judeo-Christian roots are more under fire than those extremist groups who’d like us dead. We think that’s a lousy idea and we think that Christianity and Judaism, which make up approximately 90% of this country, deserve to be respected and honored and that references to God should stay in the American lexicon. That tiny minorities of other religions are offended speaks volumes about how they feel as an invitee into this country. Some of us even think this society started going down hill precipitously as soon as we took prayer out of our schools, but we’re sorry others haven’t made that connection and we’ll stay quiet on this one for a while. (We do NOT hate all other religions)

Conservatives feel that there is an American culture, no matter how many ‘multicultural fairs’ our elementary schools regale our kids with. Think of a Norman Rockwell painting, that’s us, that’s America. We want to say the pledge of allegiance and leave God in it, we want to celebrate American foods and music and typical attire and not feel we’re being unkind to foreigners in our midst for doing so. We’re not, it’s our country, we let them in, and we feel they might want to make allowances for OUR customs, our feelings for a change. (We do NOT want to prohibit others from celebrating their heritage, but we would like ours respected and put in the forefront in this country. It’s AMERICA.)

Conservatives feel everyone in this country should be able to tell if coffee’s too hot to hold in a cup while we drive and we’d never sue anyone who poured us a good, hot cup. We’d be more careful and realize how stupid WE had been, not the POURER, if it spilled. We know law suit damages have to be reduced and people need to start taking responsibility for their own mistakes. Maybe it would be nice to make the person bringing suit to know that, if he loses, he’s paying the guy he sued’s costs, too. That might bring things back into reality. (We aren’t against someone being compensated for evils done to them, we just know we can handle suits better)

Conservatives feel that America isn’t the only country causing whatever climate change liberals feel is caused by humans (regardless of the information to the contrary about cycles, etc.) and we’d rather not pay for cleaning up the entire world. We feel that an open and honest discussion would do us better than one agenda being rammed down our throats through AARP and other TV commercials and ads, Gore’s constant drone, etc. We are FOR a clean earth, it’s just that we think that not inviting the side we feel holds at least as much credence (US) as the alarmists side to international talks is silly and nonproductive. We don’t block out another point of view. Oh, and we’d never scare kids with the kind of gloom and doom they’re being taught in elementary schools around this country. We think that’s cruel and even a little sick. We don’t use kids to promote an agenda. (We do care about the environment, we’re just realistic about it and don’t hide from truths we don’t like).

Conservatives want FREEDOM We want to think for ourselves, we want the government to stay out of our business and we feel that might help us do better on our own. We believe welfare does a lot of us more damage than it does good. We also know lower taxes promote a successful society better than high taxes do. We want the freedom to spend our money like we’d like to. We want to help the sick and needy on our own, and we do. ( We are not bigots who hate the poor or think they should suffer) We want private union voting and feel anything other than that is Chicago bullying behavior...You know that, how could you not?

Conservatives feel ALL Americans are equal. We are sick of being made to feel guilty for sins of slavery we aren’t responsible for. We also resent minority communities keeping their own people down. We resent the Jesse Jacksons of the world who think they speak for Black America but do nothing but convince them they’re victims, unable to succeed. We side with minorities who feel affirmative action makes them look like they couldn’t do it alone. We encourage people to do well, we don’t admire dependency of any kind.. (We are not racists).

And then, there’s something that’s maybe more important than all of the above: Conservatives aren’t so quick to remind Americans that America’s not a fantastic super power. Why do you liberals do that in so many ways every single day? We don’t feel such guilt that we have to help the rest of the world before we help our own poor and sick.

Conservatives know there are exceptions to all of the above points, but we operate on the majority, not the minority.

We’re tired …The Left, and it's wholly-owned media, has painted us into a corner that’s unfair and even stupid. ANY party which paints any other major party with the mischaracterizations the left has should be ashamed, but you aren’t, are you. You keep pushing and insulting and demeaning and reveling in your media which supports you.....we’d like you to start putting OUR country first again. America was better when did and we just can’t see that in most of your platform.

Mr and Mrs. Liberal American, you’re about to vote for Mr. Barack Obama. Check out the points above, remember the TRUTH in how Obama regards these things (not what he says now for votes, but what he’s said for so many years in so many ways), and think twice.

We Conservatives are begging you. Save this country, stop falling for the lies.

Very Sincerely,

Mr. and Mrs. Conservative American

41 comments:

Ducky's here said...

Conservatives are tired and a little scared of you, to be honest.

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Why? I'm just some guy who wants the best for his extended family and his neighborhood.
I want a nation that encourages social mobility and prosperity.

I am not quick to violence and I'm tolerant.

I enjoy much of the same things you do except my taste in films runs to those with subtitles but how important is that.

I drink domestic beer and drive a small domestic car and I try to reduce my resource consumption and recycle.

I go to Mass on Sunday although you may consider that a disqualification.

Maybe the thing that should scare you most about us is that we expect you to open your mind a little and stop this belief that you have all the answers.

It's a big world out there and what liberals know that a lot of conservatives have apparently not figured out is that we don't have the answers to the problems and shouldn't stay stuck in 18th century dogma.

Yet we scare you. Better to ask why you are so easily scared.

Tony C said...

Good post...only one issue. There are far too many Republicans that don't fit into your definition either.

The wolf in sheep's clothing is far more dangerous than the wolf in plain sight.

Granny Annie said...

Here I have to disagree with both of you. I don't fit either of your descriptions of conservative or liberal. If I state one of my beliefs, someone assumes I'm a Democrat and if I state another of my beliefs, someone assumes I'm a Republican. I am very simply an American wanting the best for my country and for my family.

Z said...

Good, Ducky, and thanks, I really DO appreciate this rebuttal:

I'll take you one by one here:

Ducky: Why? I'm just some guy who wants the best for his extended family and his neighborhood.
I want a nation that encourages social mobility and prosperity.

Z: Who doesn't want the best for everyone? Taking more taxes from the people who HIRE will not encourage prosperity. I do not believe the Left even lets "social mobility" into their lexicon, so I'm surprised you use it...sounds a bit cultural snobbish to a leftist, I'd have thought. I like the sound of it, though. I do believe some people are better than others and the cream rises.

Ducky: I am not quick to violence and I'm tolerant.

Z: Good, that's excellent. Except I'm quick to violence if someone attacks me or my country and I refuse to be tolerant of things I think are not good for me or America. I pray for discernment on what I should be accepting of and what I should cast aside.

DUCKY: I enjoy much of the same things you do except my taste in films runs to those with subtitles but how important is that.

Z: I like subtitled movies, too. And I don't quite see the point here. No true conservative shuns a good foreign film or any intellectual pursuits. (beamish, I know, I KNOW)

Ducky: I drink domestic beer and drive a small domestic car and I try to reduce my resource consumption and recycle.

Z: All good. Except you'd like foreign beers more, try them. I didn't address this so, again, do you throw things like this in because the important things are difficult to be addressed by the Left without sounding character-less?

Ducky:I go to Mass on Sunday although you may consider that a disqualification.

Z: I find that splendid. I am not a Catholic basher.Far from it.

Ducky: Maybe the thing that should scare you most about us is that we expect you to open your mind a little and stop this belief that you have all the answers.

Z: And, because conservatives don't agree with YOU, WE should open our minds? WOW, who's less open minded now? We don't have all the answers, we have convictions. Big difference.

Ducky: It's a big world out there and what liberals know that a lot of conservatives have apparently not figured out is that we don't have the answers to the problems and shouldn't stay stuck in 18th century dogma.

Z: Which dogma is that, Ducky? Funny, you might say progressiveness is fabulous and, since America's become more 'progressive', she's been going to hell in a handbag in just about every way..notice that?
See what political correctness has bought us? See what lack of morality has done to our kids? etc etc

Ducky: Yet we scare you. Better to ask why you are so easily scared.

Z: I don't have to ask. I know why. Obama has a very good chance. That's not 'easily' scared, it's SERIOUSLY scared.

Be very careful what you vote for, Ducky. thanks.

Z said...

well, granny, we all have to pick a side when we vote and, hopefully, we all put America first in the polling boooth; above our PARTY.
This post is more to show the generalized differences; I don't believe (as Tony C has said here) that ALL Republicans are represented in everything I wrote.
I'm quite sure all Democrats are not represented by Ducky.

All I can do is make my own points at my blog and hope I get some good conversation and thinking from it.

So far, so good, guys...Thanks Ducky, Tony and Granny...you guys make it worth blogging. (Yes, EVEN YOU, Ducky! most of the time !)

Z said...

naaa.. .some of the time! :-)

Papa Frank said...

We are such birds of a feather Z. I absolutely LOVE this post and am in agreement with your well thought points here. As a conservative and a compassionate person it always grieves me when people view us as haters or racists. I love life and I love mankind. I help those who I encounter who are in need of help that I can offer. I have many friends at work that are at the other end of the spectrum politically that I give help to and receive help from. That is a large part of why it is GREAT to be an American. Our discourse and discord is accepted and even encouraged and it makes us stronger. In that vein I raise my glass to Ducky! We disagree on many levels but I hold him as a fellow American and a good person. Profoundly backward thinking but good. (just had to throw that in)

Misfit410 said...

Ducky: I am not quick to violence and I'm tolerant.

Misfit: You don't seem very tolerant when you talk about McCain and Palin to me.

Ducky: I enjoy much of the same things you do except my taste in films runs to those with subtitles but how important is that.

Misfit: for me, actually most of the movies I watch have subtitles as well, though the movies are usually Korean or Japanese.

Ducky: I drink domestic beer and drive a small domestic car and I try to reduce my resource consumption and recycle.

Misfit410: The only Domestic I tend to like is Sam Adams, if I get can anything that is a clone of Belgian beer I'm much happier, Black Radish from the outer banks is my tops, I too drive a car that gets 38 MPG, I buy a bottle of water once in a while and reuse the bottler over and over because I have no issues with tap water.

Ducky: I go to Mass on Sunday although you may consider that a disqualification.

Misfit: I'm just a little shocked, that's all

Ducky: Maybe the thing that should scare you most about us is that we expect you to open your mind a little and stop this belief that you have all the answers.

Misfit: You have to see that you have the exact same flaws, the difference is your beliefs would be drastic changes that are forced on us, ours would be just returning things to their design

Ducky: It's a big world out there and what liberals know that a lot of conservatives have apparently not figured out is that we don't have the answers to the problems and shouldn't stay stuck in 18th century dogma.

Misfit: now this is just silly Duck, what do you want 21st century dogma where politicians bully science into seeing things one way or no way at all? Where people are not longer free to say what they think if it may offend someone else? You know it is the left that keeps going on about christians believing that man walked with Dinosaurs because it is the left, not the church that can not gather that swimming in the nile were plenty of large reptiles whose ancestors most certainly were among the dinosaurs.

Ducky: Yet we scare you. Better to ask why you are so easily scared.

Misfit: As a person you don't scare me a bit, but knowing your ideology is being slipped into our system without the publics knowledge does quite a bit.. I'm not trying to trash the lefts views of socialism, but you have to know just slapping it on top of a system not designed to work that way is like putting sugar in your gas tank hoping to run on it as a new alternative fuel.. and the results will be the same...

Chug chug chug.. crash.

Anonymous said...

I love this post, Z.

Nobody has all the answers. What's with this business of liking foreign films? Why does that make you any different, Ducky? I love indy films, art, music, fashion, many things that on the surface one would assume me to be a liberal. Those are personal preferences.

I'm hoping that as Z said, the cream will rise to the top after this election. There's been so much ugliness that it's getting me down. I am much less fundamental in many of my views than I used to be, but the ugliness shown by many up-front Obama supporters has, unfortuantely, stuck in my psyche and given me a nasty feeling inside. I want to believe the best about others. All we can do is treat each other with kindness, one on one.

Gayle said...

I love this post too, Z. You've done an outstanding job here. I also enjoyed your answers to Ducky, and the other answers to him that have been posted here. Especially since they save me the trouble of having to answer him. :)

The ugliness of some people during this campaign has been truly horrendous. For instance, the hanging of Sarah Palin in effigy. That's just one example. Ugly commentary on the internet is another, and I'm not aiming this comment at Ducky. He may not agree with our conservative values, but I've never read a comment of his that was not civil. The campaign ads have been very ugly too, and the way our campaigns are run in this country seriously need to be changed. There's got to be a way to run an election without voter fraud.

shoprat said...

Well said Z, well said indeed.

Z said...

misfit, don't let Mr. Z(from Germany) hear you like Belgian beer, okay? LOL!

Pinky: LESS FUNDAMENTAL? ARGH!!!! "Get BACK, LORETTA!!!" "Come home, Shane!"

Gayle, Pops...everybody.
I wrote this days ago, then was reminded of it, because I'd hesitated to post it. Thanks SO SO SO much for your kind words. I'm glad I did publish it. You know, sometimes you wonder....!

xxx

Z said...

thanks, Shoprat...from a writer like you, that's no small compliment.

elmers brother said...

We don't have all the answers, we have convictions. Big difference.

I love this line.

LA Sunset said...

//I drink domestic beer //

Therein lies your problem.

I don't drink domestic beer if I am buying. I also watch films with subtitles. I watch movies like Chocolat, Coup de Ville, The Freshman, as well as Saving Private Ryan, Shawshank Redemption, and Pleasantville. I do not give a damn about the Die Hards, Steven Seagal movies, or Bruce Lee karate movies.

I like concerts (rock, jazz, classical) plays (but not musicals), and festivals. I eat French, Italian, Greek, German, Spanish, Middle Eastern, and all kinds of Asian food, just to name a few. I cook many of these things myself.

I just don't like socialism, because I don't believe it works. It hasn't worked yet, it isn't about to start now.

Z said...

LA SUNSETT..you said "I don't drink domestic beer if I am buying."

THAT is character, my friend. Very telling about you. I like that.

Elbro, thanks..for a minute, I asked "WHO WROTE THAT?" I'm glad I DID! (Smile)

LA Sunset said...

Z,

Would you believe that our very own Mustang has ridiculed me and has tried to give me a complex about drinking St. Pauli Girl beer? That is, until he saw THE St. Pauli Girl? Now even he is ready to jump on the bandwagon.

Go figure.

Chuck said...

Z, keep talking although I'm afraid they're not listening.

Anonymous said...

Z...Wow! Really....Wow! That pretty much sums up everything I feel about being a Conservative. I couldn't have said it better myself....literally!

We call it tradition, they call it no tolerance. I don't understand the big issue with tolerance. If I don't like it why should I have to tolerate it. To please the masses? I don't think so.

Great post Z!!!!

Law and Order Teacher said...

RE: Ducky "I want a nation that encourages social mobility and prosperity."

This guy's whole deal is the same as most of the liberal creedo. Smugness (I watch movies with subtitles), after all, conservatives only like movies in which people die bloody deaths and we like to watch TV in our underwear while we drink domestic beer. If you truly want a nation the encourages social mobility and prosperity, congratulations, you live in one. I want a nation like that too, only our difference may be that I don't want my nation to punish me when I work hard and work smart and succeed. Don't take from me to spread to others who haven't worked hard and work smart. That's not encouraging social mobility and prosperity, that's punishing it. I go to Mass too, what's wrong with that and what difference does it make. Oh, I get it, conservatives must hate everyone but Evangelicals. Finally, I don't know any conservatives who think they have all the answers. One point we do agree on, you don't have the answers, nor do your liberal friends. It's certainly time you admitted it.

Z said...

"social mobility" is the thing that slayed me....DUCKY! SOCIAL MOBILITY?

How can you be SOCIALLY MOBILE when those people who want to succeed know they'll be taxed so high they'd better quit?

You know how we have tax brackets? So, we've got people, sort of justifiably, saying to themselves "Well, hell, I'd better NOT get that raise because it'll put me in the next tax bracket! I'll have nothing LEFT!" You've all heard that, right?

SO, who the heck's going to work hard to get that if they know they'll be MUCH higher taxed if they do well?

Socially mobile, Ducky? Is that when someone can eat Brie on a cracker with their little finger higher in the air than the others?

THAT 'upwardly' mobile?

Or, come to think of it, maybe you don't mean UPWARDLY mobile? You only said MOBILE....maybe you mean going here and there in mediocrity?

Anonymous said...

A LITTLE scared?

You've got to be KIDDING.

The Obama campaign is The New Face of Domestic TERRORISM.

This man and all those who stand behind him TERRIFY me.

Do you realize thatGod Damn, America is the National Anthem of THESE people?

Go ahead and love your enemies, but only because --- eventually --- it WILL kill them.

"Be not overcome by evil, but instead overcome evil with good."

FreeThinke

FreeThinke

Anonymous said...

Z, you made me laugh!

My conservative values are solid. I'm just less judgemental than I used to be. Fundamentalism, taken too far, leads to personal bondage.

I've decided to leave the judging for the Lord and try harder to love others. EWww, I sound like a hippy! ;-)

I have a very liberal friend who has recently started reading my blog. I've had to make decisions about whether or not to have political discussions with her or not. Sometimes, when we don't share a strong foundation (spiritually), it's best to preserve the friendship and let the rest slide.

Sorry if this is too off-topic.

(((Thought Criminal))) said...

The only thing that scares me about leftists is that for inexplicable reasons they all seem oblivious to the fact that they can't complete a sentence without actively trying to convince the world that all leftists are imbeciles.

It is an utter waste of time to consider the possibility that the leftist you are speaking to might be the first leftist in the universe that isn't trying to convince you that all leftists are imbeciles.

Anonymous said...

Great post Z.


"I want a nation that encourages social mobility and prosperity."

A nation which encourages social mobility and prosperity, trusts individuals, it's people, to seek their own destinies, and stays out of their way. We have the freedom to succeed or fail on our own merits.


"I am not quick to violence and I'm tolerant."

Violence? Like pies thrown at lecturers. I assume Ducky, you've never done that and don't condone it, right?
Tolerance, it seems, is in the "eye of the beholder". Those things of which liberals are not tolerant, are explained away as offensive, unenlightened, or ignorant, thereby for them, not intolerant, but a misplaced sense of superiority. Convenient.


"I enjoy much of the same things you do except my taste in films runs to those with subtitles but how important is that."

That's nice. Who doesn't enjoy a good movie regardless of it's origin? Big deal.



"I drink domestic beer and drive a small domestic car and I try to reduce my resource consumption and recycle."

OK. So?


"I go to Mass on Sunday although you may consider that a disqualification."

Well, it can't hurt.



"Maybe the thing that should scare you most about us is that we expect you to open your mind a little and stop this belief that you have all the answers."

Here's that misplaced sense of superiority I was talking about. Actually what's scary is that you think you're open minded.
I know we don't have all the answers. Speaking for myself, I have just enough answers not to expect perfection, knowing I'll never achieve it myself.


"It's a big world out there and what liberals know that a lot of conservatives have apparently not figured out is that we don't have the answers to the problems and shouldn't stay stuck in 18th century dogma."

If you don't think you know the answers why are you poised to elect a man who wants to revisit LBJ's War on Poverty" which has failed miserably?
As long as there are humans there will be no answers to all the problems. Of one thing I'm certain big coercive government and freedom cannot co-exist.

And finally what's scary is not you per se, but that those who today call themselves "progressive" seem ready to regress to the tried and failed socialism which has cost so many in the world the treasure of freedom to be in control of their own lives.

Pris

Misfit410 said...

haha Z, I am third generation German Immigrant, German Beer is the best, it just happens that the one particular beer that I put over all others is Belgian.

Every beer I love is either German or a Wanna-be German.

Ducky's here said...

Well let's see where we are substantively:

Conservatives are against illegal immigration and sanctuary cities.

Really, it was Saint Ronald Raygun himself who first started the mess with his amnesty declaration. Bush and McCain are also big on amnesty and limited border control.
Republicans are in serious denial about who has a sensible approach to this issue.

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Conservatives don’t want you to take our guns away.

A lot of leftists own guns (including myself, a very big one). We have no interest in taking them by and large and generally support some point of sale controls and state level decisions.
What galls us about conservatives is that you won't admit you own handguns because you are "afraid of the dark" (think Obama).
But largely your firearms bore us.
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Conservatives cherish marriage between a man and a woman and would like to continue that tradition.

This is an interesting one. I've been involved in mounting an exhibit at the Gardner museum locally on Renaissance cassoni (painted hope chest panels).
It involves the actual exhibit and lectures on Renaissance marriage along with period music etc.
What we learn is that marriage has always changed throughout history and frankly served different social purposes.
Allowing two people who want to share a committed life in no way threatens you. You wan to "continue tradition" which is at odds with the history of marriage itself.

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Conservatives feel that this country was founded on freedom OF religion, not FROM religion.

Sorry, I would not want my nieces to be forced to recite a Protestant prayer in school nor have the Old Testament read. That is not consistent with my religious beliefs. That conflict of interest cannot be solved without taking religion from the state sphere completely.

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Conservatives feel that there is an American culture

This is why I made my original comment about subtitles (and misfit let me know he's a martial arts film fan, not a surprise)
You want to celebrate American food and music. Fine (although the food angle is a little tough).
What stops you from listening to American music? Does the fact that I love Indian classical music and Italian jazz mean you can't listen to whatever musical artist you like?
I picked up an album recently of two Italian guys playing Kurt Weill, a German, in an American jazz form. Seems that's what it's about to me.
Seems like pure paranoia.
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Conservatives feel everyone in this country should be able to tell if coffee’s too hot to cold

That award was vastly reduced on judicial review (as most are) and McDonalds had been warned several times previously that the coffee was TOO hot.
Conservatives often to like to look at the gestalt once they have a detail to fit preconceived notions.


More later

Ducky's here said...

Conservatives feel that America isn’t the only country causing whatever climate change liberals feel is caused by humans (regardless of the information to the contrary about cycles, etc.) and we’d rather not pay for cleaning up the entire world.

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Neither do liberals. We do represent an extremely large source however and there is no reason not to make what reductions we can.
Liberals generally believe the cost of doing nothing is much higher.
True we are split on nuclear. Myself, I think pebble reactors with recycled fuel is necessary, at least in the immediate future.

Ducky's here said...

Conservatives aren’t so quick to remind Americans that America’s not a fantastic super power. Why do you liberals do that in so many ways every single day?

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Because most on the left believe that the right wing response to any PERCEIVED or real threat is massive military response. John McCain, who is probably mentally ill, is an example of this limited mentality.

Well, it doesn't work particularly well and it can create more problems than it solves (look at the sorry history of Afghanistan since the early 80's).

It's not so much that we don't think America has massive military capability as it is that we don't believe the right understands the limited offense value of that capability. It functions well as a deterrence.

To be blunt, we get real tired of the jingoistic militaristic tap dance about "our freedoms" and "they hate our freedoms". It's silly.

elmers brother said...

Because most on the left believe that the right wing response to any PERCEIVED or real threat is massive military response.

Deterrence? Worked well on Saddam Hussein eh Duhkkky? 12 whole years of more pillaging of his own country? That's hardly a rush to war.

Besides Duhkkky do you think I wanted to fight in Iraq or lose three friends there because I was in a rush to use military force?

elmers brother said...

It's not so much that we don't think America has massive military capability as it is that we don't believe the right understands the limited offense value of that capability. It functions well as a deterrence.

So now you're willing to give some credit to Reagan? Don't make me laugh duhkkky.

That limited offense would have worked well during WWII...bwahahaha

Z said...

Ducky, marriage was never sanctioned between two men or two women since just before Noah's ark. Thanks. I have never heard a person with traditional values EVER suggest that their marriage was threatened by gay marriage. That has never been used: it's the left's 'best defense is a good offense'..

No, most liberal politicians are voer strict gun control; i.e. "we take your guns away but can't do much about the crooks'"

No, more liberals still believe man has a larger part in global warming than MANY scientists do, but those scientists who disagree weren't invited to Bali or other global warming conferences. That's the left..SHUT THEM OUT IF THEY DISAGREE.

As obvious, the hot coffee is a metaphor for which I blame the leftist lawyers groups who are so against any kind of change in litigation. Anyone who drives with hot coffee and blames another for it having spilled does not deserve a suit I don't care how many times McD's was warned.
Some of us just enjoy being self reliant and smart.

It's too bad some Americans can't get past a Protestant prayer; of course, you obfuscate the truth that the prayer in school was not a religious prayer, but..
Yes, American culture IS CHRISTIAN, based on Judeo Christian principles. As our Jewish buddy, Morgan, frequently says "I shudder to think of an America without Christians" You ought to too, Ducky. It's funny, I won't argue your faith in Catholicism, but I have yet to hear you uphold ONE of its tenets...odd. And I don't know other Catholics who slam Protestantism like you feel the need to.

No, it is NOT paranoia to suggest that OUR CUSTOMS should be MORE honored and celebrated and taught than those from Bangladesh. Thanks.
Immigrants come here to be Americans. (or they did until the Left made it a part of the deal that we'll support them, even if they come in illegally..and I blame Conservatives, too)

We don't want America changed as much as you do. Enough said.

but, of course, it won't be.

elmers brother said...

hey duhkkky hear the latest from Biden:

on the debate he and Barrack are against same sex marriage

then he goes on Ellen and says he's against Prop. 8

it makes your head spin...perhaps it's just too nuanced for us Conservatives to understanding having two different positions in less than a month

what a maroon

Ducky's here said...

That's right elmo, it's still not safe at the national level to say you support it.

However, certainly as a good Federalist and someone who respects the Constitution (as the right is always going on about) you clearly understand that what the people of Massachusetts chose is none of your business, right?

Ducky's here said...

It's funny, I won't argue your faith in Catholicism, but I have yet to hear you uphold ONE of its tenets...odd.

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I assume you say that simply because I am not an rabid opponent of abortion and understand that I live in a secular society that I cannot shape to my beliefs.

For your information, my wife separated from me twenty years ago. I am still married in the eyes of the church because I do not have an annulment.
It's a complicated situation, I do date but I follow the Church's teaching and while I can't claim I've been completely celibate I have certainly tried and I demonstrate more commitment to the institution of marriage than Protestant thumpers who have one of the highest divorce rates in the country.

Do you get tired, ever, of being so self righteous? Remember the whitened sepulcher?

elmers brother said...

However, certainly as a good Federalist and someone who respects the Constitution (as the right is always going on about) you clearly understand that what the people of Massachusetts chose is none of your business, right?

Sure duhkkky now it you could just get the judges in California to agree (with the will of the people) and we'd be all set.

That's right elmo, it's still not safe at the national level to say you support it.

NO it means Biden lacks conviction, (he's spongy on abortion too )

It's what Z said

We have convictions that don't change to please a crowd...

oy!

Duhkkky you want to be treated like an individual...your Catholicism etc...

than try not to generalize about Protestants...I'll give you the benefit of the doubt

that is unless you'd like to do some expository teaching about the Sermon on the Mount...

elmers brother said...

...while I can't claim I've been completely celibate I have certainly tried and I demonstrate more commitment to the institution of marriage than Protestant thumpers who have one of the highest divorce rates in the country.

While one can certainly appreciate you not remainng "completely celibate" but somehow also demonstrating more committment to marriage is a WHITE SEPULCHRE DUHKKKY!

Ducky's here said...

than try not to generalize about Protestants...I'll give you the benefit of the doubt

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See, there it is in a nutshell, elmo. It is not your place to judge. When the self righteous evangelicals get going on about giving the benefit of the doubt should they be surprised when they get the digit in response?

Who are you to be the final judge?

The Vegas Art Guy said...

Z, Remember your comment about the symbol for the democratic party?

Pretty much says it all...

Z said...

Ducky; the church believes Jesus Christ is the Son of God. They believe Mary was immaculately conceived, they believe the only way to heaven is through faith in Jesus Christ (and good works, in the case of Catholicism).

I'm very impressed you are living the LAWS of the church in not breaking your marriage, I wonder if you have any faith in the above, that's all.

WHY is it that you can be as insulting as you like about Protestants and then judge US for being judgmental?

I have NEVER EVER judged Catholicism here..NO WAY, NEVER HAPPEN. NEVER.

And, please, some of you Protestant friends, you and I differ here.........I do have questions about the nonBiblicality of some of the LAWS of Catholicism, but I will not say they are not Christians. NEVER HAPPEN. It's not anyone's place to judge.


Also, Ducky, I'm truly sorry about the failure of your marriage. Truly.

AS ANYBODY PAYING ATTENTION KNOWS: Barack and Joe have BOTH said they believe marriage should be between a man and a woman; Yesterday, on Degeneris' show, ol' Joe said he'd vote NO on 8 (for gay marriage, in essence)

I guess he stuck his finger in the wind. I think I'll blog it. People NEED TO KNOW THE TRUTH BEFORE VOTING.

elmers brother said...

you started with the Protestant thing Duhkkky and it's not me judging you it's the Bible

try reading it sometime

the white washed sepulchre refers to living a lie on the outside

"Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you are like whitewashed tombs which on the outside appear beautiful, but inside they are full of dead men's bones and all uncleanness.

You can follow the letter of the law on the outside and still be dead on the inside