Tuesday, July 12, 2011

Tuck in your shirt...it's the law

What do you think?

I know what too many might say:

It's their RIGHT to keep their shirttails out!
It's insulting and maybe even racist to suspect gang membership!
It's not allowing the kids to show their creativity!


Is all of that "open minded", "superior thinking" worth the safety of our kids?  Got any thoughts?
While most Conservatives don't feel we need a law for every single thing that might go bad, and I'm one of them, that's for sure (no "Nanny State Lover" here), does this seem to fall into that "Nanny State" category or is it a no-brainer that it's not much to ask to keep our kids safe? 
z

30 comments:

cube said...

I'm so sick of laws being passed for everything under the sun. Why don't girls just refuse to date boys dressed like this. The look would end next week. The Greeks knew that the Lysistrata treatment worked thousands of years ago.

Impertinent said...

Untucked shirts are a good sign that guns are being concealed....especially by those who carry illegally. Usually in the waistband or inside the belt holsters.

I'm told this by cop friends who... believe it or not, support Open Carry over Concealed Carry of pistols and revolvers.

The reasons are obvious. You better have a CCW or permit to carry if you've chosen to carry openly! And cops know this and know who they're dealing with too.

And legitimate citizen carrying openly wouldn't have any problem with showing their permits and allowing the cop to check the weapon.

Did you know that California is an Open Carry state?

Anyway...this past weekend 12 or 13 "youts" were shot with 3 killed, in Newark, New Jersey. And Jersey has some of the most stringent, draconian anti gun laws in America. Which is why I don't give a rats ass for Christie. He is definitely anti 2nd amendment...in a state that refuses to allow it's citizens to protect themselves from animals like in Newark....who could care less about illegal guns. Since 90% of them would never qualify for a permit.

Notice that it's the most "progressive" states that deny freedoms and rights guaranteed under the constitution. With New York being the least free.

Silverfiddle said...

This is just another bandaid that covers the symptom of societal symptom and not the root cause.

Impertinent said...

Cube...you jest right?

It's a "cultural" thing, ya know?

Z said...

Cube, excellent idea there...I"m sick of laws, too. The Left seems to think we can 'law' ourselves out of anything bad happening and it's so against human nature's inevitabilities.

Imp; is Christie anti gun or has he just had too much on the plate to address this yet?

Silverfiddle..I wish that was all society needed; to tell kids to tuck their shirts in, don't you?
I don't see kids turning into the type of people the past generations were, sadly. I don't see kids with part-time jobs like we used to have (Hispanics are doing all of them here), I don't see them caring much about studying (there are exceptions and I know many, but mostly, our schools are an academic MESS).......what else is there to DO but drugs and sex? And the kids I know whose parents keep them busy are TOO busy with that idiot term "PLAY DATE" or extra-curricular teams and classes till the kids are worn out...

Impertinent said...

As I looked over my comment, I realized that I had missed a point.

Yes....teens should damn well be required to "tuck em in" as a minimal "uniform" requirement.

Look...it's totally against the law for anyone under 18 / 21 to be carrying a concealed weapon. But we adults all know that this is something the bangers and hoods would never comply with.

It's "kool" to carry. It's Kool to have street "cred". It's kool to be a criminal wannabe and a bad ass.

A majority of these crimes are carried out by these infants with guns. Nothing will stop them from being 'kool".

Z said...

Imp..except death, sadly...that stops 'em.

Impertinent said...

"Imp; is Christie anti gun or has he just had too much on the plate to address this yet?"

Christie...is anti gun...anti 2nd amendment. Christie is a dyed in the wool RINO. He actually believes that restrictive, anti 2nd amendment gun laws...work!

I can't blame him totally...no matter what he claims to be...he's a product of New Jersey. A state that still requires that you need a PERMIT...for each and every weapon you want to buy!

New Jersey...is a "May issue" state. It all depends on the mood of the capo in the police department in the city you reside in...if you can PURCHASE a weapon.

As in all "progressive" restrictive hell holes that deny you your constitutional rights....NJ, NY, RI, CT, Mass, IL and California are among the worst. In other words...these states are POLICE states.

Impertinent said...

Z...in some of the most violent cities like in NJ, Louisiana, LA...etc....it's an acceptable risk.

Look at all the rapper POS's that revere the death, murder and gun culture to solve their...errr "disputes". And this is what these kids idolize and respect. DEATH.

Z said...

IMP: Who'd have thought we'd be raising a generation who honor a culture of DEATH?

I know from the years we've posted together that our kids matter a lot to you and that you know a lot about the horrid things they do, especially in Florida....it's heart breaking, isn't it.

I'm sorry Christie's drunk the Koolaid......Ya, in a different world, wouldn't having no guns be perfect? Heck, that perfect world was only about 25 years ago; our poor kids; they're a wreck

Impertinent said...

"Who'd have thought we'd be raising a generation who honor a culture of DEATH? "

The ME willingly sacrifices their young to be martyrs...how much different are we really from them? Do we see a unified effort to stop the violence in our urban areas?

Here's a little factoid Z...in states where there is "shall issue" permits...crime has hit rock bottom. In states where they deny permits...crime is over the top.

A gang banger walks into a store in Virginia...he sees a few guys with 45 ACP's on their belt....ya think he'll pull his pants down to get at his "special"?

Don't think so...and the stats prove it's true...the punk just moves on.

Guns, do save lives.

Leticia said...

It has nothing to do with racism. I live in "The Hood" and let me tell you that horrid look conceals more than just weapons, they carry drugs in those baggy pants hanging off their rumps.

It's about safety and quite frankly, the look is stupid and makes them waddle like ducks.

I have always that all schools should have strict dress codes or uniforms. I would be willing to pay for uniforms to keep my boys safe.

The Westside shootings here in Jonesboro still haunts her residents.

Major said...

God Bless another brave American soldier.

This is what we're made of:

"The second living recipient of the Medal of Honor since Vietnam, just nine months after Staff Sgt. Sal Giunta became the first. What kind of man are we talking about here? One who didn’t have to participate in the raid for which he was awarded the MOH but went voluntarily, had his hand blown off by a jihadi grenade during that raid after he picked it up and tried to toss it away before it detonated, thereby saving the lives of two of his men, and then reenlisted in the Army after being fitted with a robotic arm and went back to war. Total deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan: Eight and counting. He has four kids."

BZ.

Pris said...

Let's get real here. Dress codes in schools are nothing new. It doesn't have to be a law, it's a school rule.

My gosh, many years ago when I was in High School, we girls weren't allowed to wear sandals to school or low cut blouses.

We survived just fine. These were not laws, they were school rules.
There is a difference.

In recent years when I used to pick up my grandson from school, girls would be wearing low cut tops, and some wore bustieres.

I didn't approve, and would have welcomed a rule prohibiting this sort of dress.

Of course the boys could get in trouble for ogling the girls!
Ya think? What did the school expect? Boys will be boys.

I believe kids should supervised. This is totally different than banning of adults' dress. This is responsible oversight of minors, and for good reason.

Impertinent said...

"Ya think? What did the school expect? Boys will be boys."

Sorry...not anymore. Demasculinizing of young boys is the top priority of the NOW crowd. Boys are no longer boys....they're subject to arrest , jail time or a drug treatment program..for being boys. Look no further than the Sec 8, EEOC mandates from the likes of Harvard, Yale, Princeton and MIT.

Z said...

Imp, if you ever wanted to write a piece on gun ownership, with stats, etc., for geeeZ, I think we'd all like to see your information. If not, NO BIGGIE :-)
Pris is normally my 'star contributor' but I sure do like to have every good thinker's thoughts highlighted here at geeeZ.
You can expect a new one from Pris here in the next few days, by the way!.......

Leticia, you're the kind of Mom every American kid NEEDS. Seriously.

MAJOR..thanks for that. Imagine that kind of love of his pals and that kind of courage? Well, YOU can imagine that, but I have trouble.....HOLY COW.
Why'd you sign off with "BZ"?
And how's your leg doing??

Pris..'rules', 'laws'...sorry, I meant the word interchangeably but I probably shouldn't use them like that.
Ya, the girls at high schools today look like they're ready to pole dance at the beach, don't they? And ya, they can dress like that, but DON'T LET THE BOYS GET CAUGHT LOOKING!

I've seen pictures of pretty young girls at fraternity parties, outside in broad daylight, lifting their blouses up and showing their breasts for pictures...faces showing. HOw the heck much sex must they have had that they feel that comfortable showing the 50 frat members around them their bodies? makes me so sad for them...there will be no sexy sanctity of that special man in their life later, not for them. what a society:-(

Thersites said...

If the teachers were packing heat, it wouldn't matter what the kids brought to school.

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beamish said...

This is retarded.

For one, the right to keep and bear arms should never be infringed. If a kid wants to bring a .357 Magnum to school he should be allowed to do so, concealed or not, as long as he's not disrupting class with it.

For two, you CAN'T keep weapons out of schools. Anyone can stab someone in the throat with a sharpened pencil or drop their ring of keys into a sock and have a nice bludgeoning implement. The chemicals in science class can be made into improvised weapons.

If schools spent more time trying to educate children and less time trying to press them into cookie cutter conformity, we might have had colonies on other planets rather than a useless space shuttle.

christian soldier said...

I believe in dress codes for schools-but - not because of possible concealed weapons-
this ad is just a foil against the Second Amendment-
don't see any toy guns -remember the young boy expelled for bringing a toy...
BTW-some schools now allow weapons-
C-CS

Z said...

Beamish "If a kid wants to bring a .357 Magnum to school he should be allowed to do so, concealed or not, as long as he's not disrupting class with it."

No offense, but that's insane.
And I never thought it would be you who'd echo what I thought the left would say about 'cookie cutter conformity'! GeeeeZ!

Well, every opinion is welcome as long as it comes with civility, and you're civil :=)

What possible healthy reason could a kid have to bring a Magnum to school?

Carol, I think it's more about making sure the 2nd Amendment stands and our rules become sane enough to support it.

beamish said...

I never thought it would be you who'd echo what I thought the left would say about 'cookie cutter conformity'! GeeeeZ!

It's not really left or right. We wouldn't have arguments over what class of weaponry is appropriate to bring to public school, if there were no public schools. As I said, you can NOT Nerf the planet to "make it safe." What's next, counting the silverware after lunch because some kid might smuggle a fork out of the cafeteria and stab out someone's eyes with it. Of course it is "cookie cutter conformity." Go here, go there, stand up, sit down, do this, don't do that, wear this, pass through this metal detector and that x-ray machine, submit your urine for testing... the only life public school is preparing kids for is life in prison. We're actually having a debate about how to interfere with a child's right to defend themselves with the most effective weapons possible. We curb their speech, their expression, subject them to searches and seizures, collectively punish all of them with ex post facto rules, and now they can't even exercise the one right that keeps everything in check from violent criminals to tyrannical governments. No wonder schools are churning out weak-minded drones that count on government planners to rule their lives as adults. You take away the God-given right to keep and bear arms at the earliest age possible, and next thing you know, absolute retards have Ph.D's.

Well, every opinion is welcome as long as it comes with civility, and you're civil :=)

An armed society is a polite society.

What possible healthy reason could a kid have to bring a Magnum to school?

It's an effective counterpoint to the liberal "bully deserves your lunch money" argument.

Pris said...

Beamish, kids are not adults, they require discipline, supervision, and to learn to obey rules.

To allow kids to bring guns to school is crazy. It's obvious you don't have children, for if you did, I believe you'd think differently about this.

To hear you talk, you'd think the 2nd amendment applied to children. Don't you see a difference between children and adults?

There's nothing wrong with a young person having a shotgun and going hunting with his Dad, it's another thing to allow that kid to bring a gun to school.

There have always been rules which apply to children that don't apply to adults. Believe it or not, children are not advanced enough to handle adult behavior, or adult decisions.

beamish said...

Beamish, kids are not adults, they require discipline, supervision, and to learn to obey rules.

The natural rights of humanity are not age-dependent. Discipline, supervision, and learning to obey rules have absolutely nothing to do with the intrinsic right to keep and bear arms.

To allow kids to bring guns to school is crazy. It's obvious you don't have children, for if you did, I believe you'd think differently about this.

If I had kids, I wouldn't let them enter a government-run indoctrination facility without a gun.

To hear you talk, you'd think the 2nd amendment applied to children. Don't you see a difference between children and adults?

Again, it's not about age. Alexander took over his father's (Phillip II of Macedon) empire and expanded it from Greece to India from the time he was 20 years old until he died at age 32. He was a general in his father's armies at age 12.

Have we, in modern times, "advanced" so much that children have to wait to become "great?"

There's nothing wrong with a young person having a shotgun and going hunting with his Dad, it's another thing to allow that kid to bring a gun to school.

What if the people the child needs to defend himself from are at this school?

There have always been rules which apply to children that don't apply to adults. Believe it or not, children are not advanced enough to handle adult behavior, or adult decisions.

Actually the idea that children don't have equality under the law until they reach a certain age is a relatively recent, and left-wing contrivance.

beamish said...

Sorry... typo... Alexander was a general at age 16.

beamish said...

If you can't trust your own kids with a rocket-propelled grenade launcher, who can you trust?

Lisa said...

I believe in school uniforms so kids can concentrate on learning instead of who's in style and who isn't,plus it's easier on the pocketbook.
The HS I attended had some racial tensions and when I left a 14 year old boy got stabbed for wearing red because it was a gang color. Since then they implemented uniforms.
Where I live now the HS kids had let out when I was driving by and I could not believe what some of the girls were wearing and that it is even allowed. Midriff tops,skirt so short they may has well been wearing just underwear(that's if they even had those on).
They looked like they were dressed to entice.

Scotty said...

OLD FART STATEMENT ALERT!!!

Those of us that drove to school, in my day, more times than not had some type of fire arm in our vehicles, often openly displayed. Even more so when certain hunting seasons came about. All on school grounds.

I taught my kids hunting and proper gun handling. They could both take apart, clean, reassemble and knew how to fire, every weapon I had in my house by the age of 10 or 11.

It was the same as I grew up in my "you't"

My daughter is in a bank branch manager and has a concealed weapon carry permit. She lives in the south.

My son has a few rifles of differing configuration but not a carry permit, because of that hassle New York state puts one through to get one.

My how times have changes....

Pris said...

"Actually the idea that children don't have equality under the law until they reach a certain age is a relatively recent, and left-wing contrivance"

Actually Beamish, permissive child rearing is a left wing contrivance. Children are not adult peers.

In fact, they are not seen as having equality under the law, they're seen as juveniles, who, when they commit a crime, are many times given a pass, and when they aren't, they're doing time in a juvenile detention center.

They know if they're a minor their punishment won't be as severe as an adult's would.

"What if the people the child needs to defend himself from are at this school?"

Oh, by all means Beamish, a nice old fashioned gunfight would be great at school, huh?

Please, get real!

beamish said...

Actually Beamish, permissive child rearing is a left wing contrivance. Children are not adult peers.

But they are humans. The right to keep and bear arms in one's own self-defense is a fundamental human right that pre-exists the Constitution. Note that the 2nd Amendment says this right shall not be infringed. Only something that exists can be infringed upon.

Which simply means ALL laws concerning weaponry of any kind are unconstitutional and all agents seeking to enforce these laws are domestic enemies of the US Constitution and should be treated and dealt with as such.

If Junior wants to pull into the schoolyard lugging a 20 megaton nuclear intercontinental ballistic missile behind his truck, as long as he's not leaking radiation and contaminating the neighborhoods he drove through, it is his God-given right to keep and bear that nuclear weapon, as well as use it in self-defense.

In fact, they are not seen as having equality under the law, they're seen as juveniles, who, when they commit a crime, are many times given a pass, and when they aren't, they're doing time in a juvenile detention center.

That's what I was saying earlier. I have absolutely no problem whatsoever sending a 5 year old to prison for life, or even the electric chair if they commit a capital offense. (Well, I do have a problem with executions not being televised...)

They know if they're a minor their punishment won't be as severe as an adult's would.

And thusly, they are encouraged by society to commit their crimes at a younger age.

Oh, by all means Beamish, a nice old fashioned gunfight would be great at school, huh?

A simple pistol duel or sword fight would do. "Old fashioned gunfights" are the stuff of dimestore pulp novels and Hollywood movie westerns glamourizing death and murder, same as ever. The "Old West" was historically no where near as violent as even a John Wayne movie.

The reason for that is that responsible use of one's natural right to keep and bear arms was engendered back then.

Nowadays, people are so eager to give up their liberty for illusionary security that they don't even rate as Americans in my book.