Saturday, June 30, 2012

Coulter....like her or not....

 ......please link contradictions to ANY of what she's said here before criticizing ("I hate Coulter" doesn't work here).  Thanks!:

"Forget executive privilege, contempt of Congress, "fast and furious," how many documents the government has produced and who said what to whom on which date.
The Obama administration has almost certainly engaged in the most shockingly vile corruption scandal in the history of the country, not counting the results of Season Eight on "American Idol."
Administration officials intentionally put guns into the hands of Mexican drug cartels, so that when the guns taken from Mexican crime scenes turned out to be American guns, Democrats would have a reason to crack down on gun sellers in the United States.
Democrats will never stop trying to take our guns away. They see something more lethal than a salad shooter and wet themselves.
But since their party was thrown out of Congress for the first time in nearly half a century as a result of passing the 1994 "assault weapons ban," even liberals know they're going to need a really good argument to pass any limitation on guns ever again.
So it's curious that Democrats all started telling the same lie about guns as soon as Obama became president. In March 2009, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton announced to reporters on a trip to Mexico: "Since we know that the vast majority, 90 percent of that weaponry (used by Mexican drug cartels), comes from our country, we are going to try to stop it from getting there in the first place."
As she sentimentally elaborated on Fox News' Greta Van Susteren show: "The guns sold in the United States, which are illegal in Mexico, get smuggled and shipped across our border and arm these terrible drug-dealing criminals so that they can outgun these poor police officers along the border and elsewhere in Mexico."
Suddenly that 90 percent statistic was everywhere. It was like the statistic on women beaten by their husbands on Super Bowl Sunday.
CBS' Bob Schieffer asked Obama on "Face the Nation": "It's my understanding that 90 percent of the guns that they're getting down in Mexico are coming from the United States. We don't seem to be doing a very good job of cutting off the gun flow. Do you need any kind of legislative help on that front? Have you, for example, thought about asking Congress to reinstate the ban on assault weapons?"
At a Senate hearing, Sen. Dianne Feinstein, D-Calif., said: "It is unacceptable to have 90 percent of the guns that are picked up in Mexico and used to shoot judges, police officers and mayors ... come from the United States."
And then, thanks to Fox News -- the first network to report it -- we found out the 90 percent figure was complete bunkum. It was a fabrication told by William Hoover, of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATF), and then spread like wildfire by Democrats and the media.
Mexican law enforcement authorities send only a fraction of the guns they recover from criminals back to the U.S. for tracing. Which guns do they send? The guns that have U.S. serial numbers on them. It would be like asking a library to produce all their Mark Twain books and then concluding that 90 percent of the books in that library are by Mark Twain.
You begin to see why the left hates Fox News so much.
Obama backed away from the preposterous 90 percent claim. His National Security Council spokesman explained to Fox News that by "recovered," they meant "guns traceable to the United States." So, in other words, Democrats were frantically citing the amazing fact that almost all the guns traceable to the U.S. were ... traceable to the U.S.
Attorney General Eric Holder told reporters that even if the percentage is inaccurate, the "vast majority" of guns seized in crimes in Mexico come from the United States. And he should know, because it turns out he was sending them there!
Apart from the guns Holder was giving them, this was an absurd claim. Most of the guns used by drug cartels are automatic weapons -- not to mention shoulder-fired rockets -- that can't be sold to most Americans. They are acquired from places like Russia, China and Guatemala.
Right about the time the 90 percent lie was unraveling, the Obama administration decided to directly hand thousands of American guns over to Mexican criminals. Apart from the fact that tracking thousands of guns into Mexico is not feasible or rational, the dumped guns didn't have GPS tracing devices on them, anyway. There is no conceivable law enforcement objective to such a program.
This is what we know:
(1) Liberals thought it would be a great argument for gun control if American guns were ending up in the hands of Mexican criminals;
(2) They wanted that to be true so badly, Democrats lied about it;
(3) After they were busted on their lie, the Obama administration began dumping thousands of guns in the hands of Mexican criminals.

We also know that hundreds of people were murdered with these U.S.-government-supplied guns, including at least one American, U.S. Border Patrol agent Brian Terry.
But let's look on the bright side. The BATF was originally going to ship warheads to Iran until realizing the explosions might disable the tracking devices.
(Contrary to more Democrat lies, there was no such program to dump thousands of guns in Mexico under George W. Bush. The Bush administration did have a program that put GPS trackers on about 100 guns in order to actually trace them. That operation was ended almost as soon as it began because of the lack of cooperation from Mexican officials. You may as well say Holder's program was "started" by the first cop who ever put tracer dye on contraband.)
No one has explained what putting 2,500 untraceable guns in the hands of Mexican drug dealers was supposed to accomplish.
But you know what that might have accomplished? It would make the Democrats' lie retroactively true -- allowing them to push for the same gun restrictions they were planning when they first concocted it. A majority of guns recovered from Mexican criminals would, at last, be American guns, because Eric Holder had put them there.
Unfortunately for the Democrats, some brave whistleblower inside the government leaked details of this monstrous scheme. As soon as Congress and the public demanded answers, Holder clammed up. He just says "oops" -- and accuses Republicans of racism."   Ann Coulter

Then there's this:  "Scott Thomasson
– then the chief of the ATF’s Public Affairs Division – said, according to an eyewitness account: “We need to get whatever dirt we can on these guys [the whistleblowers] and take them down.”
Thomasson also allegedly said that: “All these whistleblowers have axes to grind. ATF needs to f—k these guys.”

"Oooops!  the left will say:  "allegedly"  "according to an eyewitness account?"  Really?   Z: Ya, well,  ATF men involved in F&F testified to CONGRESS the truth as they know it, Eric Holder hasn't produced the papers requested by Republicans and many Democrats, and his department's not prosecuting for contempt regardless of a letter from Congress, and... and............ but, we have to write "allegedly?"
z

30 comments:

Right Wing Theocrat said...

The bastardry of the obama administration and the left has no bounds.

Not surprising though, given this lot are happy to kill off defenseless unborn babies and some even want to murder new born ones so I guess giving guns to criminals to prove a lie is just breaking a few eggs to make an omelet.

Anonymous said...

Coulter is right on here.
Obama and Holder are professional thugs and she is simply calling them on it. Our country has been turned so upside down by leftist indoctrination and our subsequent falling, away as a nation, from faith in God, that we now have these kinds of people as our supposed "leaders." It is particularly ironic that the chief law enforcement officer in the land is responsible for the murder of hundreds and is being protected by the self described President of "the most transparent" governemnt in our history. Pity that it is no surprise. They are fallen individuals therefore they act in a fallen manner.
MGM in Indiana

Big Fat Tio Mike said...

While you're at Coulter's site, you might as well check out her column she wrote when John Roberts was nominated to SCOTUS. Coulter predicted he may well turn out to be a David Souter.

bftm

Ducky's here said...

A Comprehensive Article

It's pretty good in that it contains actual reporting and research, something that is missing in (m)Ann Coulter's piece which is more a screed about the nasty administration trying to seize gun loon weapons.

I wish she were on the radar so that Taibbi could do a take down like he did on Tom Friedman recently. As an aside he's reporting on the LIBOR rate rigging which is being avoided by the press.

Z said...

Libmann already linked that, Ducky, he found it faster than you did when he had to go on the rampage here...

So this guy is believable, but the ATF agents are liars, right?

RWT....all good points.

MGM....I agree.

BFTM....actually, I don't spend time at Coulter's, MGM sent this to me (you remember Mike from PLC)... interesting that she got that right, too.

Z said...

honestly, the bias in that article is almost laughable.
They hit on EVERYBODY libs hate!
And, if it's true, why not have Holder present his information? SIMPLE! :-)

CnC said...

The first time I heard this I wasnt too sure if anyone could be that evil. But the more Holder and Obama try to hide the truth, the more I believe they are hiding something truly horrible and jailable.

Z said...

CnC, when they try to blame Bush for this, it's the most fun because his program had so many safeguards and he'd closed it down, anyway.
When blaming Bush is all you've got, you go nowhere.
well, most administrations wouldn't ; this one's lies seem to take flight.

Bunkerville said...

Thanks for going down memory lane. How quickly we forget this nasty early history.

Mark said...

"Democrats will never stop trying to take our guns away. They see something more lethal than a salad shooter and wet themselves."

I love that line. I'm going to go post it on Facebook right now!

conservativesonfire said...

Nobody in the Obama administrations goves a damn abouth the families of those that died as a result of F&F.

Mark said...

So, Ducky, if there is no scandal here, why are Holder and Obama spending so much time and energy to cover it up? Hmmmm? Why don't they just turn over the documents Congress has asked for?

"Methinks something's rotten in the state of Denmark." ~ William Shakespeare

Big Fat Tio Mike said...

Ducky,
No shame in getting out cut-n-pasted by Liberalman. That's his thing; that's what he does.

Z,
I never met MGM but have heard you talk about him.

Ed Bonderenka said...

I was talking to Bill Bennett the other day, and we agreed that it's hilarious that nobody will believe that the President Of The United States (and his AG) are socialists or would do anything as stupid as F&F or lie repeatedly.
I am hammering this stuff on FB everyday to the annoyance of some, but finally I'm seeing my brother and nieces and nephews wake up and start posting anti-Obama comments themselves.
I got a chance to explain a lot of this to my sister-in-law (who just moved here)the other night.
She had no understanding, but does now.
Some here may not realize that to get Fox News, you have to pay for cable and there are a lot of people who can't afford cable, but check FB at the library.

Pris said...

I think Ann Coulter is terrific. She usually sees the big picture. This operation (Fast and Furious) fits with "the Chicago Way" doesn't it? Yep!

Pris Jr. had this thought which I'll share. "funny how those American guns were left at the crime scenes, isn't it"?

So tell me, who would leave the murder weapon they used at the scene unless there was a reason to do so?

I read the testimony by some of those agents, and they told the truth, which was basically for them to "go home" (let the guns "walk").

So, here we have the President pandering to the hispanic community, while the F&F guns were involved in the killing of over 200 Mexicans in Mexico, women and children as well.

Where was Obama's or Holder's compassion for those poor people?

And of course they thought nothing of blaming Americans, and gun dealers here in the US. We're just the usual fodder for whatever they think they have to do to satisfy their agenda!

Let's not forget either, that the whistle blower is going to be a victim in this coverup. I guess he was expected to lie, which is par for the course in this administration.

This whole abomination smells to high heaven!!

Law and Order Teacher said...

Z,
Unfortunately as a veteran of 26years in law enforcement, I've seen this type of mentality. There is a closing of the ranks against outsiders when the L/E community is under attack. That said, I've never seen something of this magnitude covered up. Mostly, it's about punching the wrong guy.

When real criminality occurs, most guys I know jump ship. Something of this magnitude is rare and I wasn't surprised that when one of their own was killed by this insidious crime, the whistleblowers came out.

This is an impeachable offense for Holder and Obama is engaging a cover-up that is much worse than Watergate. Breaking into the Dem HQ and covering it up, pales in comparison to covering up for an operation that has resulted in the death of a police officer. BO has crossed the line from his normal thuggery to the realm of actual criminality.

This begs the question, how are there people who would protect this guy? As the saying goes, "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely."

Pris said...

"This is an impeachable offense for Holder and Obama is engaging a cover-up that is much worse than Watergate."

L&O, yes, this bunch make Nixon look like a babe in the woods!

Z said...

Ed.."BILL BENNETT"?? Are you buddies or did you call his radio show? Or..??

L&O, I love your input and even wish you'd write an elongated piece on your comment here if you find the time (I hope your family's doing well?)...I think we all MUST know from your viewpoint what's going on here...this is a terrific start.

My question is how this can escape the public? FOX and talk radio is trying SO HARD to get out this information but the mainstream media's pretty much ignoring it and that's as unAmerican as it gets.

Do you remember hearing, when some of the whistle blowers finally came out, that the ATF agents were actually asking their superiors "Hey, you want us now to leave the guns and GO HOME?" They were stunned because the guns had been used previously as a kind of lure to force people out in the open// the agents followed the guns and saw what was going on...they were apparently STUNNED to be told to drop off the guns and leave..

I WISH somebody would mention that!

Pris, they certainly do...it's a very sad situation when our DoJ covers for their boss...and about as frightening in America as it can get. Let's face it, this sets a LOUSY precedent.

Ed Bonderenka said...

Z:
https://dl.dropbox.com/u/41339180/Bill%20Bennet%201c.mp3

Bob said...

Coulter is right, as she usually is when she talks about something. Fast and furious is a conspiracy against the American people by a racist regime in Washington.

Liberalmann said...

She lies and has never been right. That's the fact of the matter.

http://slannder.homestead.com/

http://conservatives4palin.com/2011/10/ann-coulter-lies-yet-the-conservative-media-is-silent.html

http://www.amazon.com/Brainless-The-Lies-Lunacy-Coulter/dp/0061243507

Ed Bonderenka said...

Has never been right?
Never?
Pretty absolutist.
what's your opinion of Obama or Pelosi's veracity, by the way?

Z said...

Libmann "She lies and has never been right. That's the fact of the matter."

You are HILARIOUS :-)

Z said...

Ed, how cool is THAT! Congratulations! How the HECK do you get an Mp3 of the radio of just when you were on? You did great but you didn't REALLY touch on socialism and Obama till the last second and I'm not sure Mr B was agreeing with you, right?! :-)
He certainly agreed that Obama was complicit in F&F and how NUTS it is that he's now joined in a cover up.

Bob...you're absolutely right. But,the Left's clinging to one article about one witness in FORBES and ignoring all the facts....in other words, the ATF agents who testified and whistle blew are LYING but the one guy who says that's not true isn't :-)
You can't make this up

Kid said...

The libs I see posting on the net I can best describe as supporting anything they perceive the 'right' to be against with virtually no thought or forsight into how it will affect them.

You can't have any more dysfunctional of a brain than that.

What would be happening in the media and with the rabid monkeys(libs) if this were a Republican AG. yea..

You can't cut the hypocrisy of the left with a chain saw, though it would be fun to try ! ;-)

Z said...

Kid, my gosh, it's hard to fathom what the left would be doing about this....it'd be MUCH more fast and much more FURIOUS if it was republican AG who'd done anything like this, that is FOR SURE.
Hey, and maybe CNN might even cover the story then? :-)

The problem Conservatives have is the media because we believe in free and open media, and we're not getting it. Thank GOD for the blogs or we'd never know, for example, that Valerie Jarrett just told the largest Black Journalist group in America that one of the main things Obama's done for Blacks is lower the time a black person has to serve for a powdered cocaine bust over crack possession. Did YOU know that's considered a plus by the administration, and don't YOU think that's a TAD RACIST? !!!

When Lib"mann" denies this, I'll post the link :-)

Ed Bonderenka said...

Bill agrees about O being a socialist, we've discussed it before, but he doesn't think it advances the argument as socialism is not the negative it once was. That's why I brought it up last there.

Kid said...

Z, it's all day every day.

Somehow, I think I'm going to be laughing a lot when these morons really have to live in the world they've created for themselves. Seriously, when you see someone splitting their sides open as the libtards protest, that'll be me.

Joe said...

No, you don't have to write "allegedly."

"Allegedly" is a legal term and applies to court proceedings.

Anybody not involved directly in a case may say, "He killed..." He does not have to say, "He allegedly killed..."

Given that, there could, in some circumstances, be lawsuit implications.

That is where good judgement comes in.

Z said...

Joe, I'd not have written it...the article does.
I can't stand WND and resent their either being too pushy and extreme or wimping out like that.
you're right.