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Having next sat next to Bush Sr. at the Seattle Morton's back in 2004, I have wondered many times how a son could be so giving and compassionate when he was fathered by such an ass. Yet Jr. stood for America first.
I don't really miss Jr. a whole bunch, until I ruminate on the fact that the boy king we got now was abandoned so many times, it's no wonder he abandons those who need him the most, so I guess I do miss fellers that care for others.
z - I did not see this on the news and I also think it's pretty nice.
I'm glad to see some coverage of what's he's doing. I read that he did go or is going to Haiti.
BTW - My husband is currently reading Laura's book. You know he's a staunch conseravtive!
It's nice to get a glimpse of the Bushes now and then. It reminds us of what decency means and I'll always appreciate that this former President and first lady, always exmemplified that.
I never get the feeling Obama cares, I think the Bushes do. Thanks President Bush.
Pris
jaded...Who's a REAL ass is John Boehner, whom I had the displeasure of talking to for half an hour....mostly ABOUT Bush, Sr. He liked Sr. and didn't paint too dignified a picture of him, I must say.
Sue, I think you're not a conservative because you think Republicans are hard hearted and don't care for the needy, etc etc...which shows you care very much but maybe don't understand Republican viewpoints because we have hearts, too, but the media and the leftwingers misrepresent all the time. Could I be right? :-)
Pris, I have never got the impression Obama cares at all, except for Black America and the illegals he's been told to cater to for their votes. He's the puppet; we have to figure out who's got his strings before he completely ruins America.
The Bush's are a class act.
I'll take GW as my CIC over this Chicago zoot suit anyday!
Major
Now that's what I am talking about! Don't ever expect to see any of these pictures on the MSM, not going to happen.
There's nothing in the pictures to blame him for.
God bless them, they really do care for our military personnel and their families.
I actually saw this story on FOX, but I wouldn't expect any of the other media outlets to highlight it in part because of their dislike of W. and Laura, but also because they aren't visiting the returning soldiers for a photo opportunity and, therefore, don't alert the press.
Z: I'd love to hear more about your visit with the tanned man himself, Boehner. Did he like Bush Sr. or was that a typo?
I did see some pictures of this on Fox News. I know those service men & women really appreciated the greetings for the Bushes. If it weren't for Fox we'd be up the well-known creek without a paddle!
Silvrlady
Z - That is not right. I am not conservative just because I am not. Kind of like other things about me are different than other people. I simply am not conservative.
I have told you that my family and friends are conservative, and I could not say that they are hardhearted.
I'm not sure where your remarks came from. I was just commenting on how I thought it was nice that the Bushes were greeting the returning troops. And that he went to Haiti. How can a simple comment like that end up with me thinking Republicans are hardhearted?
It is in my nature to be liberal.
And likewise others are conservative. Does it have to be such a big deal? :)
If this divisiveness is always just around the corner, how can our country be united. Isn't that what it's about - after all. Not how we are different, but how we are like.
sue, I'm sorry...I have a tendency to think most people would be conservative if they realized conservatives believed in helping others, in a free economy, in keeping up America's pride and greatness around the world..
I figured that you might fall into that media-hyped exaggeration that Republicans are all homophobic, racist and hate the poor. And I'm NOT being sarcastic here.
I'd love for you to tell me what you think is the biggest difference between Dems and Cons...this isn't a nasty dare, it's a sincere request that would help me better understand a Dem's thinking..I respect you and would like to know. That's all. I appreciate the openness and honesty of your comment and also appreciated your compliment to the Bushes.
And yes, it's important that we come more together than more divided, especially when we're faced with probably the biggest troubles America's ever had.
Silvrlady..if it weren't for FOX, nobody'd know ANYTHING. That's why so many people other than Republicans are watching. I even got wind that my liberal nyc cousin is watching FOX more and more.
Cube...I was at a Republican function in a bar about a year ago...Mr. Z was with me. I was having a blast talking with Breitbart and Pat Cadell (Is that cool, or WHAT?) and Andrew brought Boehner over..Well, he'd spoken at a luncheon they'd all been to that day and seemed like he hadn't quite dried out...a little tipsy and ICKY. He has the MOST gorgeous blue eyes and that's where the good stuff begins and ends (tho he talks pretty well on TV, I have to admit)......Anyway, he started in on Bush Sr and playing golf with him and how Bush gave the finger through a window at someone and how they played golf together and Boehner used such bad language I was stunned ..He also implied Bush was a "good old boy" because he swears a lot, too... I can take bad language and, sadly, can sling it pretty good myself when it's appropriate (heh) but to a lady he's never MET? Several times with the F bomb? REALLY? I was kind of ticked at Mr.Z, frankly...he wasn't too happy that he didn't speak up, either, but I guess when it's a guy that known you tend to 'let it go'... THAT is how bad Boehner got; I'd NEVER expect Mr. Z to say anything if it didn't get out of hand.
Z - First, I'll be honest and say that as soon as Pres. Bush left office I stopped having bad thoughts about him. To me, he became a private citizen and one whom I wished well. During the time he was in office I had picked up on how he loved his daughters, and of course Laura. I never thought about him as a 'bad' person. I just didn't like him as president. When I look at his face, I never see negative things.
There is a lot more I could say but I've said it before. And I don't recall ever thinking anything negative about Laura.
More later on your comment. I was up pretty late trying to catch a glimpse of the meteorite show so I need to think about what I want to say.
Sue, lovely...I'll look forward to it. And we're going to talk again like friends..Get some rest. xxx
z - It is rare when someone asks my opinion so I won't pass up the chance to give it now. I have a limited scope on conservatives and liberals. As far as conservatives go, it's mostly my family and two friends.
And their conservativism is based on the military and religion. And also your blog. So what you get from what I say may be based on something you are quite familiar with.
As far as liberals, I'm about the only one I know. There are two that I respect. One is Truth 101.
Sure, his blog is graphic. But when I read it his honest messages come through loud and clear.
The other is Bill Maher. I don't watch his show because I like the dirty jokes and the way he knocks religion. When I watch it I say to myself, here is someone who is not afraid to say what he thinks, and I say, 'Wow, I'm thinking that too.' He never influences my opinions - he reinforces them.
z - I told you once on my blog about what I think a liberal is and you didn't like it. But for me it means an inclusiveness that I don't see in conservatives. In my country, you don't have to fit in a neat, little package, you just have to want to be an American. Of course, it's not that simple, but it's the basic idea.
There are certain issues where red flags go up in my mind.
Abortion - I'm totally against it, but I don't think passing a law will prevent it. I have a conservative friend who said 'We just find the candidate who is against abortion and line up behind him.' I think there's more to a president and our country than that.
Gays - A big problem. I wish they didn't exist. But they do, and I'm for solving the problem in a realistic way. On your post about gay marriage, z, I found a lot of
negativism, rather than a solution for a human problem.
Illegal Immigrants - What about Ellis Island. Are we now not willing to welcome the hungry and the poor as we were then?
Religion - This is a country with a lot of Christians in it. But it is not a Christian country - so to speak. I'm always for a Christian president, but everyone needs to be represented. We shouldn't be afraid of the present and how things are, but rather deal with it.
Times have changed, haven't they. So we need to fight against a retrospective way of life.
My opinion about conservatives/Rep.
does not come from the media. I hardly notice anything like that.
My biggest opinion comes from Rush, Glenn and reading this blog.
I don't like Rush or Glenn, but I do like and respect some of the people that comment on your blog.
Although I must say that when I check the posts - several times a day - I ALWAYS know what they are going to say. That doesn't give it much credibility.
Z - This past week as we traded comments, I thought several times how much I liked the person(you) that comes through the politics.
I have this feeling that by saying these things I'm walking into a trap. Oh well, no one said I was that smart.
Sue, I hate to say this (smile) but I don't disagree with you on some of that. I have to go for a while but I'll be back and I do appreciate your comments. Most of them!
I will say that predictability doesn't mean one is wrong! see you later, Sue!! x
z - I was thinking about my remark that I always know what your posts will say. That wasn't entirely valid.
I would love to discuss my comments with you. I'll check back later.
Hi, Sue..I've been watching a series from England called FROM LARK RISE TO CANDLEFORE (I think it's called)..it's a slow, sweet story of English village life probably in the mid eighteen hundreds, JUST my cup of tea, a little slow but so charming!
Anyway, here goes...I'll write in CAPS!
z - It is rare when someone asks my opinion so I won't pass up the chance to give it now.
I KNOW THE FEELING, BELIEVE ME!
I have a limited scope on conservatives and liberals. As far as conservatives go, it's mostly my family and two friends.
And their conservativism is based on the military and religion. And also your blog. So what you get from what I say may be based on something you are quite familiar with.
I DON'T QUITE GET THE 'CONSERVATISM BASED ON RELIGION AND MILITARY'?
As far as liberals, I'm about the only one I know. There are two that I respect. One is Truth 101.
Sure, his blog is graphic. But when I read it his honest messages come through loud and clear.
I DID TRY TO READ HIS BLOG BUT FOUND IT DISTASTEFUL BUT I THINK HE ARGUES FAIRLY AT 'CHUCK THINKS RIGHT', ETC (I THINK THAT'S THE BLOG I SEE HIM AT!)
The other is Bill Maher. I don't watch his show because I like the dirty jokes and the way he knocks religion. When I watch it I say to myself, here is someone who is not afraid to say what he thinks, and I say, 'Wow, I'm thinking that too.' He never influences my opinions - he reinforces them.
I LOOK AT BILL MAHER WITH SAD EYES NOW BECAUSE I USED TO ADORE HIS HUMOR. I CAN'T GET PAST HIS SMUGNESS ANYMORE...OR HIS SLAMS ON CHRISTIANITY. HE CERTAINLY ISN'T AFRAID TO SAY WHAT HE THINKS ..IF THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE THINKING, TOO, WE'RE FARTHER APART THAN I THOUGHT. PERHAPS YOU REMEMBER SOMETHING BOTH OF YOU AGREE ON THAT YOU COULD SHARE?
z - I told you once on my blog about what I think a liberal is and you didn't like it. But for me it means an inclusiveness that I don't see in conservatives. In my country, you don't have to fit in a neat, little package, you just have to want to be an American. Of course, it's not that simple, but it's the basic idea.
I IMAGINE THAT YOU MIGHT MEAN SOMETHING LIKE ILLEGAL ALIENS AND HOW CONSERVATIVES DON'T WELCOME THEM QUITE AS MUCH AS SOME LIBERALS DO (NOT ALL....AND NOT ALL HISPANICS, MY MEXICAN FRIENDS ARE MUCH MORE AGAINST THEM THAN I AM) I HAVE RARELY MET A SWEETER PEOPLE THAN THE MEXICANS I KNOW IN LA IN THE SERVICE INDUSTRY (MY CLEANING GIRL AND OUR BLDG'S GARDENERS, FOR INSTANCE..AND JUST THE OTHER DAY A MEXICAN YOUNG MAN JUMPED OUT OF HIS CAR TO HELP ME CARRY GROCERIES INTO MY HOME, IMAGINE? JUST SWEET, SWEET, SWEET) BUT IF FEELING THEY SHOULD COME LEGALLY ISN'T INCLUSIVE, THEN I DESERVE THAT MONIKER!
I ALSO AM ABOUT THE ONLY CONSERVATIVE WHO FEELS ALL MUSLIMS AREN'T BAD, AS YOU KNOW! I WELCOME ALL RELIGIONS, I JUST DON'T WANT TO WORRY THAT THEY WANT ME AND MY LOVED ONES DEAD, RIGHT!?
There are certain issues where red flags go up in my mind.
Abortion - I'm totally against it, but I don't think passing a law will prevent it. I have a conservative friend who said 'We just find the candidate who is against abortion and line up behind him.' I think there's more to a president and our country than that.
I AGREE WITH YOU ON THIS. WE CAN'T STEM THE TIDE OF ABORTION ON DEMAND (THO I HOPE OUR COUNTRY NEVER PAYS FOR IT) AND WE CAN'T LET ABORTION DECIDE WHO OUR PRESIDENT WILL BE, ABSOLUTELY NOT. THAT'S NUTS.
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Gays - A big problem. I wish they didn't exist. But they do, and I'm for solving the problem in a realistic way. On your post about gay marriage, z, I found a lot of
negativism, rather than a solution for a human problem.
SOME OF US PILE IT ON TO MAKE A POINT AND THAT PILING IT ON UNATTRACTIVE AND PROBABLY MISREPRESENTATIVE OF OUR HEARTS. BUT I BELIEVE NOBODY SAID THEY HATE GAYS OR ANYTHING. I DON'T LIKE HOMOSEXUALITY, EITHER, BUT IT'S BEEN HERE SINCE THE AGES AND ISN'T GOING AWAY. I JUST WISH WE DIDN'T CELEBRATE IT IN TV, FILM, ETC.........
MY PROBLEM IS I HAVE GAY FRIENDS (I WAS AN INTERIOR DESIGNER FOR MOST OF MY WORKING YEARS AND HAD TONS OF GAY FRIENDS THEN) WHO NEVER WANTED TO MARRY AND DON'T WANT TO KNOW, SO I THINK THIS IS MORE AN AGENDA THING THAN A HEART THING. I REMEMBER WHEN SAN FRANCISCO ALLOWED GAY MARRIAGE AND THEY HAD A SPATE OF THEM AND THEN, SUDDENLY, THEY DIDN'T WANT THAT ANYMORE AND HAD A TOUGH TIME GETTING A DIVORCE (NO PRECEDENT)..IT HAD ALL BEEN FOR AGENDA...THE GAY AGENDA WROUGHT ONLY BY VERY RADICAL GAYS, NOT THE MAINSTREAM (IN GENERAL)
WE HAVE TO FIND A SOLUTION BUT I WONDER IF IT'S EVEN A VALID CONCERN, JUDGING BY THE AGENDA THING I FEEL FAIRLY CERTAIN OF. BUT, WE'RE IN IT NOW, AND I DON'T LIKE THAT THE COURTS RULED AGAINST THE PEOPLE.
Illegal Immigrants - What about Ellis Island. Are we now not willing to welcome the hungry and the poor as we were then?
WE WERE WILLING TO WELCOME THEM BECAUSE THEY SO BADLY WANTED TO COME AND LEARN OUR LANGUAGE AND LIVE IN OUR CULTURE. MY PEOPLE CAME THROUGH ELLIS ISLAND ONLY A GENERATION AGO (I'M FIRST AND SECOND GENERATION) AND WERE SO EAGER TO BE AN AMERICAN! I DON'T SEE THAT ANYMORE, SO THAT ELLIS ISLAND THING ISN'T REALLY A FAIR COMPARISON, THO I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT. TODAY, EVEN AMERICAN KIDS AND SOME ON THE FAR LEFT DON'T EVEN WANT TO BE AMERICANS!
Religion - This is a country with a lot of Christians in it. But it is not a Christian country - so to speak. I'm always for a Christian president, but everyone needs to be represented. We shouldn't be afraid of the present and how things are, but rather deal with it.
I AGREE WITH ALL YOU SAID ABOVE. EXCEPT I AM AFRAID OF ISLAM THESE DAYS...SOMETHING WEIRD'S HAPPENING THERE AND IT'S TOO OBVIOUS TO IGNORE.
Times have changed, haven't they. So we need to fight against a retrospective way of life.
YES, AND I HAVE TO ADMIT I WANT TO DIVE BACK INTO THAT RETRO LIFE WE HAD! AND I DON'T BELIEVE WE NEED TO CHANGE OUR MORALS OR OUR OBJECTIVES BECAUSE 'TIMES HAVE CHANGED'...MOSTLY, IT'S NOT FOR THE BETTER. I WANT TO MAKE THINGS LOVELY AGAIN AND I THINK WE COULD. BUT NOT MUCH.
My opinion about conservatives/Rep.
does not come from the media. I hardly notice anything like that.
My biggest opinion comes from Rush, Glenn and reading this blog.
I don't like Rush or Glenn, but I do like and respect some of the people that comment on your blog.
Although I must say that when I check the posts - several times a day - I ALWAYS know what they are going to say. That doesn't give it much credibility.
"i ALWAYS KNOW".. I SEE IN YOUR SHORTER, LATER COMMENT YOU DIDN'T MEAN THAT. THANKS.
I WISH YOU'D WATCH FIVE GLENN BECK'S ONLY FOR THE INFORMATION...IT'S STAGGERING AND FACTUAL...NIGHT AFTER NIGHT. IGNORE HIS DEMEANOR...IT'S LIKE ME TRYING TO SIT THROUGH THAT PURSE-LIPPED OLBERMANN OR THE GRIMACING MADDOW...I DO, AND IT'S TOUGH. BUT I DON'T LEARN ANYTHING. I THINK YOU'D BE SURPRISED AT THE INFORMATION BECK GETS DOWN TO WITHIN 10 MINUTES OF HIS SHOW.
Z - This past week as we traded comments, I thought several times how much I liked the person(you) that comes through the politics.
ME, TOO, THANKS, SUE.
I have this feeling that by saying these things I'm walking into a trap. Oh well, no one said I was that smart.
YOU'RE SURELY SMART..AND I'M GLAD WE HAD THIS TALK.
BIG HUGS TO YOU. XXX
Z - As I read the comments you made in response to my comments, I kept thinking: Why are you doing this. Why do you care what I think. Does it bother you that I even comment on your blog.
I just don't see where this is going. Can you help me out there
before I answer some of your questions?
Sue, I'm curious about your thoughts, why wouldn't I be? It's why I blog; I like to understand differing viewpoints, etc.
Did I come off abrasively in my comments back? I hope not.
Of course I like you here...this is only 'going' toward better understanding, I hope. ?
z - My last comments come from the fact that I am a 'different' person. A liberal among conservatives - even in my family.
As I said, no one is ever interested in my opinion and I just wondered why you are. But I'll go ahead and try to answer a couple of the questions you have.
When you asked why I said I see conservatism based on religion and the military - that is exactaly the impression I get from those around me. My husband was in the army and he still holds on to this, maintaining that the troops are above us all, and his political views are primarily from that standpoint. My daughters and my friends are what I call 'Bible Beaters'(for lack of a better name.) I mentioned the abortion issue and I am appalled that people place it higher on the list than so many other ones. I don't think of it as 'murder', but I do think it is a moral issue and that it is wrong. I think it needs to be approached outside of politics, with more emphasis on helping women see the alteratives and especially involvement by the father of the baby. Also, I said that I perfer a Christian president, but that I do not consider this a Christian country,
in spite of the number of Christians that live here. I consider religion a personal thing
and do not believe it should dominate one party or the other or be a part of politics.
Truth 101: You consider his blog distasteful, yet that is the whole point I made. I read it and sift through the distasteful part and find the truth there.
Bill Maher: I cannot give you specific instances of why I like what he says. I simply do. When he says something I don't like I throw it out, but he also speaks a lot of truth. I don't have to agree on everything someone says to respect them. But they have to be honest and I think he is. I don't think he is smug. I think he likes himself and knows who he is. I'd like to have that quality.
Furthermore,I think he comes across as a nice guy. I know some people here in town that know him personally and they think a lot of him.
Gays - I thought Beamish had a real good time with the distasteful descriptions he used.
Sometimes I think he likes to entertain himself when he writes - but don't we all.
I guess that's it, z. I'm not sure if anything was accomplished here, but I did like hearing what you had to say and especially when we agreed.
I wanted to ask you how you are getting along without Mr. Z.
z - Those last two deleted comments were just repetitions of
my comment.
I think I missed a couple of things.
I didn't mean that Republicans don't want illegal aliens around.
But from comments I've read in the last couple of years I get the feeling that Conservatives want their own special kind of country and I don't believe that is how America was founded. We are a special country, yes, but one that has to grow and change with the times. That doesn't mean buring the flag or stomping on the Constitution - I am not in favor of a lot of constitutional changes.
But, z, you made my point when you said you wanted to 'dive back into that retro life.' That is exactly what we can't do, and we can't let ourselves think that way. We have to deal with what we have now. It may not be lovely now and it may not ever be lovely again, but it's what we have and we need to work with it - and work together.
As far as Islam, I'm not sure about that and can't say much about it - because I just don't know.
I notice that you didn't encourage me to listen to Rush. Glenn Beck may have facts, but so does Joe and he really doesn't leave breathing room for anything but negativity.
Thanks, Sue...I have to admit I only went once to Truth101...and no, you don't have to agree with anybody on everything to respect them.
I believe Maher might be a very nice guy, he just turns me off personally with so many things; mostly I think he's smug and I'm not big on smug. But, many like him, so what the heck? I'm no arbiter of perfection, trust me!
I responded re the Christian president and abortion as much as you or I need, right!? I think we're in pretty much agreement on those things.
Yes, Beamish went a little overboard in the graphics and, as you saw, I tried to rein him in. I adore Beamish because he's SO darned smart and comes off with one-liners that blow my mind.
As for getting along without Mr. Z? Sue, it's about impossible, I swear...but, you move on.....you have to just keep going. I miss him every single day SO MUCH. He was very loving, VERY supportive, totally unconditional in his love for me and he always said "I'm the president of her fan club"..imagine? How do you lose that and get over it any time soon, or ever? I always said "If he wasn't so nice, we'd be divorced!" He had a great mind and a big heart and was handsome, to boot!! :-) About the only times I REALLY feel full and happy lately is when someone says "I sure miss Mr. Z" (he DOES have a name, but I like anonymity here, of course!!!) or "Mr Z would know this, he was SO smart" , or "your husband was handsome...or so nice!" It makes me feel good he's so well remembered. and so missed.
I'll never get over this, Sue. never.
Sue.."JOE"? Who's Joe?
I don't listen to RUSH but 10 minutes a year if another talk radio show's on commercial and I push the buttons on my car radio! I think Rush is usually right, or at least agrees with my thinking, but his style turns me off. So did Beck until I could turn off the style in my head and listen to HIS WORDS and the FACTS he puts on those chalk boards...mind blowing.
I hate to admit you're right about the RETRO LIFE...I fight being the way I am because I LOVE the America we should be, that Norman Rockwell, Thomas Kincaid, beautiful church-steepled America.......
I think it's only those of us who love that America and are old enough to remember it (although I have to admit I'm on the fringe age-wise there..my Dad would remember it better) who are keeping that wonderful part of it alive. I fear for the next generation.
We not only have to follow the constitution (and we haven't lately with buying companies and forcing the huge change in our health care, etc.) but we should at least strive to get foreigners who come here legally to learn English!, to learn our customs...this isn't a big dirty doormat, it's AMERICA!!! xxx
Jo-jo Politico - Joe's Blog.
Z - That was a heartfelt answer about Mr. Z. It kills me to hear you talking about him that way yet I didn't know him, or even what he looked like or his first name. I agree with you that it is good when people mention him. It helps you, and it is a healing thing. I know you have so many friends to get you through and the many things that you do. But no one but you knows how it feels.
I'm turning in early tonight....goodnight, Sue.
See you tomorrow and thanks for the conversation.xx
I saw your comment about Mr. Z after saying goodnight..
Thanks, Sue...I appreciate your words; and yes, it's impossible to understand without having gone through this (thanks for that, you'd be surprised how much advice you get from people who don't have a clue about it) and yes, I wish you could have known him, too.
'I LOVE the America we should be, that Norman Rockwell, Thomas Kincaid, beautiful, church-steepled America.'
Z - Stop and think. Who ever said that the above words describe the America we should be. Yes, that's a prettty picture you paint, but it's just a painted picture. The real America is made up of its people, the Constitution, and the ideals that go with it. Not a N. Rockwell painting. The important part of America is how the people are being treated, if they have their rights, if we are going in the right direction. We can't allow a pretty picture to influence our thinking. And the way we are all getting along now is not a pretty picture either.
We are approaching an election in a couple of years. Is it going to get ugly, or are we going to work together.
I'm sure you are right about many of the problems we face, and what the issues are. I just hope we can do the right things when we vote.
Z - It's getting late for me. I'm sure you've heard that the jury is having trouble deciding if
Blajoevich is guilty. Talk about smug - we'll never hear the last of it if he gets off.
Goodnight, z.
You must be doing something right Z 'cause Sue is still commenting on your site. She quit mine long ago.
BTW Breitbart and Pat Caudell! I would've loved to hear that discussion.
Thanks for the insight on "Blue eyes" Boehner. Mr. Cube is in construction so cussing is a big part of our lives. I don't know if I would've find that so off-putting, but we're all different.
cube, as I said, I'm not against swearing! I can get goin' pretty well, too...but from JOHN BOEHNER in front of a woman he's JUST MET? I'd have thought a politician, at least, might know better! See what I mean? I'm not a prude,I just thought it was surprising...
Ya, I was pretty surprised at that odd bedfellows thing, too..but you can see that Cadell is really a VERY fair Democrat and HIGHLY ticked off at Obama and that whole crew. I admire Doug Schoen, too...a Democrat who sees that what's going on today is so bad for America. They humble me when they go 'off the plantation'...
Andrew and Cadell spoke in private, (a little 'scoop' for you!) more than an hour after they left our little bunch at the bar... I think Cadell's interested in stopping some of the more far leftwing stuff coming from the WH
Sue, for goodness sake, I thought I answered you and I see now that I hadn't...I'm so sorry!
I can't help the PRETTY PICTURE, it's just a part of me..the easier, sweeter days of America .
You're right, they'll never be again, but I'll do all I can to fight for those things you mention ( particularly the constitution) and to try to bring people to the realization that those kinder days of better character and morality did make America a stronger country in hopes that they'll try to be better people, me included!
Z - Think about what year or years you think of America as a pretty picture. Then think about what was going on for some people in this country.
It is not the pretty picture that is important, but what was being done to correct the mistakes and problems. To make life right for everyone. The people who were working hard to make this country better are the important ones. The 'pretty picture country' is just one of the perks of living here, but it's not what America is all about.
Sue, I don't think the people who were striving to make this country great were excluded from my pretty picture; they had good values and good morals, too.
The rich and successful also helped make this country great...
my pretty picture is an American that wasn't so divided, which still loved and lived up to the constitution, whose gov't wasn't so big it squelched the small businesses and stifled big businesses...
It's all one beautiful woven web, one big pretty picture......there will always be poor and always be mighty and we need to work so that everyone still has a part in that pretty picture.
Z - When you talk about a country that's divided - aren't you (and I) among the ones doing the dividing?
Z - When you say 'there will always be poor,' that's one of the things that I should have included in my comments last night when you asked me what I thought the difference between L & C were. I don't accept just saying 'there will always be poor' - without trying to do something about it.
sue, as far as a country divided, that's the whole point, isn't it? Left v Right? Yes, we are part of that; no doubt about it.
Do I put my beliefs aside to accomodate? no way. Do we try to come to some happy medium? I don't think that can happen anymore, the divisions are far too separate and, for the first time in American history, we're fighting for two different things, we don't all see America the same anymore. That's problematic more than anything.
No, I don't feel we should let the poor flounder, and I know that bringing the richer down isn't the answer, sue, and that's all anybody's got right now and that infuriates and should shame Americans.
Z - When you say that we can no longer come to a happy medium, it sounds like we should give up - or we are ready for a fight.
Wouldn't you feel better if there were a Republican in office. Shouldn't that be what you must strive for, instead of just
talking about it? Surely that is the plan somewhere. If there isn't a stong candidate to run against Obama, he will win just like he did against McCain.
Z - I'm more in favor of helping the poor than I am in helping the rich get richer. I don't like that way of saying it - 'bring the rich down' - but you only need so much money.
Sue, I meant I don't see both sides striving to come to a happy medium...it appears that won't work.
I don't want to argue here about this, but this last year has been an infuriating shove of Republicans out of decision making and the media not talking about it. That's not right.
I want EVERYONE's ideas on the table, and I don't want anybody calling any party "the party of NO"..that's a good campaign soundbite but it is unseemly and blatantly untrue. That's what I meant.
Yes, I am hoping we have a Republican president next time but, with registering voters now at Welfare Offices and working toward allowing illegals amnesty, that probably won't ever happen again. People vote for handouts now, not handUPS, and one party knows that. I'm sorry, but that's how I feel.
I wish either side would come up with someone who loves this country, puts the faith of 85% of us above minority faiths at least in phrases which remind us like all past presidents have, someone who goes carefully by the constitution, who speaks his mind TRUTHFULLY even if all of what he says doesn't suit all of us, who never apologizes for America but walks a finer line of showing our greatness by helping others and reminding them of all we've done around the world, who never hires people who are avowed communists or socialists or other types of radical community organizers, and who doesn't lie as much as some..
but, alas...I'm not sure either side has the goods. We can TRY!, yes we have to try.
Z - For a president, that's a tall order. But there has got to be someone coming along - maybe not just yet - who will fill the bill.
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