Wednesday, August 25, 2010

Tax Dollars for Minarets? .."money well spent"?...and some new information

WASHINGTON - The good will tour of the Middle East by the imam behind the proposed mosque near "Ground Zero" is just part of the U.S. government's outreach to the Muslim world.
This year, the Obama administration will spend nearly $6 million to restore 63 historic and cultural sites, including mosques and minarets, in 55 nations, according to State Department documents.
That includes $76,000 for a 16th century mosque in China, $67,000 for a mosque in Pakistan, $77,000 to restore minarets in Nigeria and Mauritania, and $50,000 for an Islamic Monument in India.
But that's a fraction of the total in the 2010 Ambassadors Fund for Cultural Preservation, which also will fund projects to restore Christian and Buddhist sites as well as museums, forts and palaces.
Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton says the U.S. program to restore Islamic and other cultural sites abroad is money well spent.
As my buddy Mike added sarcastically in an email..."Of course there is no "separation of church and state" issue here."

Think that we should be spending money on things like this in these economic times, or ANY times?

NEW INFORMATION: Let me add that I'm hearing now on FOX THIS INFORMATION: a waiter in 2002 plunked down $4.8 million dollars in CASH for the Burlington Coat Factory which will become the infamous muslim cultural center and mosque. I took notes as I listened, but Googled and the information is in my won't want to miss this.
Is this the kind of man who won't crack when questioned? Or do you think the truth will now come out about who's backing this thing?


Ducky's here said...

Sounds like money well spent. A world that loses its cultural history is poor indeed.

Z said...

we have problems here where that money's needed. in better times, I have no problem with this.
WHEN will the left understand there's a limit to spending?

Ducky's here said...

The list is available online. Some very worthy projects.

The amount spent on distinctly Muslim artifacts is dwarfed by the amount spent on restoration of the Church of the Holy Redeemer in Turkey.

6 million well spent in all.

Ducky's here said...

An example of hat they are trying to preserve

Anonymous said...

I have a problem with this at any time. Tax payer money should not be used for the preservation of any religious or cultural endeavor. Forgetting the hypocrisy for the moment (now, all of a sudden, after disallowing manger scene's and Merry Christmas greeting in public places) the same government is not only endorsing a religious group (or groups) but using public money to do so, there is absolutely no Constitutional justification for this activity. Whereas I am well aware that they spend much, much more in foreign aid and other dubious outreach programs under the banner of "Foreign Policy," keep out money away from the muslims who have a considerable record of using it for all the wrong things. In the process, keep it away from everyone else to.


Speedy G said...

Meanwhile, another underprotected American shrine gets defunded by the Democrats...

Z said...

Ducky, STOP! When you get your own blog, do whatever you want.
HINT: Some people don't agree with you.
And they're not WRONG :-)
When we're rolling in dough again, GREAT! In the meantime, Saudi Arabia IS rolling in dough, let THEM fund the repair or rebuilding of CULTURAL PLACES, especially ISLAMIC...and, hey, while they're at it, maybe they can fix some CHURCHES around the world, too, YA THINK? Ya, RIGHT. How funny, come to think of it.
You just don't get it..again.

MGM..exactly. "Merry Christmas" is noninclusive, but REPAIR A MOSQUE in Turkey?...GREAT! (ugh)

Speedy, I was hoping you had something there that we could show that's NOT being funded that SHOULD be funded :-( What the heck is THAT that you linked, anyway? (But good to see you)

Speedy G said...

...THAT was just a little lost liberty half-buried in accumulated congressional debt.

Leticia said...

Right now we cannot afford these expenditures. People are out of work and struggling to survive. I fail to comprehend why this is so difficult for our government to grasp?

It is a worthwhile cause, but not now! People come first.

Z said...

Thanks, Speedy :-)

Leticia (I always want to say Letty because a dear friend has your name!)
THIS is the point...ONE of the points, anyway; We're paying for muslim cultural centers (and, admittedly, other things) but why can't RICH ARABS DO THAT?

Think THEY'LL be paying for broken down churches, too? NO. But, we're repairing minarets!

Ducky's here said...

Several of the sites are in Turkey, but are clearly Armenian in origin, z.

I'm curious that it is the preservation of Islamic history that seems to offend you most.

Six million dollars is not going to make any difference anyhow but the loss of world culture will.

Does anyone really believe that the shift of six million dollars would make any difference in America? You should probably talk about the end of the housing tax credit which has contributed to some incredibly poor housing numbers this week.

christian soldier said...

tax $$ for our troops well being -CUT--
tax-$$$$$$$ for mosque renovation world -wide -increased!!!

Does anyone see that something is wrong here?!!

Speedy G said...

Why not pass a hat and take up a collection for a good charity cause, mr. ducky, instead of reaching into my wallet w/o asking and taking a contribution?

I know, I know, it's easier for you to reach into my wallet.

They say that charity begins at home... unless of course, you're a Democrat.

Anonymous said...

"Sounds like money well spent. A world that loses its cultural history is poor indeed."

I'm glad to see Ducky, that you finally realize a country's cultural history is important.

I never thought I'd see the day, when you realzed that America's cultural history should be preserved. Or, did you lose your moorings for a moment?

The US economy is in the tank, and may be tanking even further. We're in real trouble. We have nothing to be charitable with.

Redistributing our wealth is the left's agenda, while destroying this country. Notice how quickly wealth is becoming a disappearing commodity.

We, and our children, are being held up, as surely as if a gun is pointed at our heads in a dark alley.

For what? To build or repair buildings in other countries? But the elitists of the world, who have never cared about the poor, will build places of worship, oh, and palaces, so the poor will have someplace nice to go and beg for sustenance they will not receive.

The idea for the left is not what they do with our money, it's the taking of it they're interested in.

We don't matter. How many times does this have to be said? We are fodder in this mad plan influenced by hate for this country. And that's all it is.


Major said...

Duckster....what type of kufi do you wear? The stretch type or the fitted type with fancy embroidery? Do you like to wear the colorful ones...or the dark drab types to match your personality?

Actually I think you've earned the right to be awarded one by Cair, Mas or the MB...complete with custom duck crap on the beak.

Readers want to know.

Z said...

Ducky, I have never put aside my principles because of my nationality or anything else. By the way, it would be astonishing if Turkey would allow any work on Armenian relics. They took Mt. Ararat and forbade climbing anymore just when scientists/archeologists were pretty close to saying what that big ark-shaped dark thing in the mountain they'd Xrayed was. Slammed shut after that.
Six million could feed a LOT of Americans who really have need, or pay a lot of mortgages.

Karen Howes said...

Well, so much for separation of church and state.

Oh wait... in Eeslaam, there is no such thing.


Major said...

"Hope"....never a way to govern a country, was it?

"Change"? It's coming finally in November. That'll be real change.

MAJOR said...


"The mosque will come to symbolize in the radical Muslim world the triumph of Bin Laden’s attack, and provide a kind of heavenly validation for his approach to spreading radical ideology. For what other reason could the tenth anniversary have been chosen for the groundbreaking?.

It is not hard to see that this will only inspire more attacks. The logic will be: “If Allah gave us one miracle, maybe He’ll give us more.”

If some Americans are suspicious and fearful of Muslims, it’s not without good reason, and nothing their self-appointed leadership has done or said in the nine years following 9/11 has allayed those fears. Non-Muslim Americans have yet to see any clean line of demarcation between radical and moderate Muslims. Everywhere around the globe Muslims are the cause of so much bloodshed and turmoil, making life on this planet a living hell.

What are people to think when they see a group of World Cup fans blown up in Uganda by Somali Muslim psychopaths? Closer to home, a U.S. Army Major shoots his fellow soldiers! What are they to make of a Pakistani national given U.S. citizenship just last year attempting to set off a car bomb in Times Square? And the self-taught “American” sheikh, Anwar al-Awlaki, who from his cave somewhere in Yemen calls on Muslims to murder Americans, and they listen?

The underlying problem in this bitter controversy is that Muslims in America suffer a deserved trust deficit, wherein they are seen as a foreign and dangerous element. Perhaps if the $100 million being spent on this mosque were used to build, say, a hospital, this perception would begin to change.


MK said...

"This year, the Obama administration will spend nearly $6 million to restore 63 historic and cultural sites, including mosques and minarets, in 55 nations..."

Be it obama or any other president that does this, you can be certain, they'll still hate you and they'll still be plotting your murder and subjugation.

"As my buddy Mike added sarcastically in an email..."Of course there is no "separation of church and state" issue here.""

Off course, where's the aclu, not interested, can't stand up to their islamist pimps i suppose.

P.S. that story about the terrorism school assignment is true, the teacher was shamed into backing off after the pupils and parents cried foul and the media got wind of it.

Z said...

MK..Is she a muslim teacher?

FrogBurger said...

I see Ducky's non sense and intellectual dishonesty and my reading of this blog is ruined.

Z said...

FrogBurger, please hang in there...I've heard this before from other bloggers and I may just start deleting him when he gets that way, too, not just when he's so belittling...

FrogBurger said...

I'm staying but I was taking a break from my long hours of working and the bastard ruined it.

beamish said...
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beamish said...

What is this culture Ducky seeks to throw money at? Does it grow in petri dishes?

Look at Ducky. His culture's failing from its insustainability and he wants us to throw money down to prop it up.

We'll make a capitalist of you yet, Ducko.

cube said...

I don't approve of this expense until there is some clarification of the separation of church and state statute. It's OK to defund
Christianity, but OK to fund mosques? That doesn't compute no matter how much money we have to spend.

DrCameronJackson said...

Please post the complete list of buildings, where and what, for which tax dollars are spent. Or tell us where to find?

U.S. Agency for International Development (AID) had a logo showing 2 hand shaking. We helped do part and the host country did part. Hence the handshake. Not a bow.

Are the host countries doing their part? or is this an Obama "hand-shake" -- the kind where Obama bows to the waist when greeting Islamic rulers?

cameron jackson said...

This is not something to get excited about.

The amount spent on Islamic treasure restoration in 2010 is peanuts compared to other expenditioures.

In 2010 about 133 K was spent by the US state department on 3 Islamic minerats or similair treasures. In contrast 625 K was spent on the Church of the Holy Redemer and $575 K on a monastary.

Keep a perspective!
Go read the numbers for yourself.

As a tax payer -- if we are going to restore national artifacts then why not give us a map and addresses so we can visit? Seems appropriate to let American tax payers know clearly how to go see these beautiful treasures.

Cameron Jackson
Monterey Bay Forum