MONDAY'S GREGALOGUE: MY NEW GAY BAR (next to the NYC MOSQUE!)
So, the Muslim investors championing the construction of the new mosque near Ground Zero claim it's all about strengthening the relationship between the Muslim and non-Muslim world.
As an American, I believe they have every right to build the mosque - after all, if they buy the land and they follow the law - who can stop them?
Which is, why, in the spirit of outreach, I've decided to do the same thing.
I'm announcing tonight, that I am planning to build and open the first gay bar that caters not only to the west, but also Islamic gay men. To best express my sincere desire for dialogue, the bar will be situated next to the mosque Park51, in an available commercial space.
This is not a joke. I've already spoken to a number of investors, who have pledged their support in this bipartisan bid for understanding and tolerance.
As you know, the Muslim faith doesn't look kindly upon homosexuality, which is why I'm building this bar. It is an effort to break down barriers and reduce deadly homophobia in the Islamic world.
The goal, however, is not simply to open a typical gay bar, but one friendly to men of Islamic faith. An entire floor, for example, will feature non-alcoholic drinks, since booze is forbidden by the faith. The bar will be open all day and night, to accommodate men who would rather keep their sexuality under wraps - but still want to dance.
Bottom line: I hope that the mosque owners will be as open to the bar, as I am to the new mosque. After all, the belief driving them to open up their center near Ground Zero, is no different than mine.
My place, however, will have better music.
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46 comments:
I think this is a good idea. We could literally surround the mosque with all sorts of opportunities for Moslems to build bridges of tolerance: pork sausage retailer, Jewish bookseller, doggie motel. After all, all of these interests have a constitutional right to have stores near ground zero.
Hilarious, brilliant. I was trying to think of other businesses too but Mustang did it best.
I'm also voting for a "charcuterie."
I'm laughing here...didn't think it COULD get funnier, Mustang!!
LIQUOR STORE!?
STRIP JOINTS?
A BIKINI SHOP?
I think a synagogue is a REALLY important addition there, too, don't you!? :-) Oh, and about six new churches?
FB.."charcturie"..I thought you were referring to the gay club and REALLY had a dirty little laugh to myself until I realized you meant PORK SAUSAGES..well, I mean...anyway.........(oops, sorry!!)
Faith...it is brilliant, isn't it? Gutfeld is fabulous!
excellent Z!..see what they have to say about that eh! I'm bacccck! sorta kinda..lol
Two wrongs don't make a right, it takes 3 lefts.
I think a prayer rug concession could be a very practical addition as well.
Pris
Pris, sure, if you want to make a profit, but to tick them off, I'm for Mustang's ideas! :-)
Woman..good to have you back!
Anonymous..3 lefts..like Obama, Pelosi and Reid? Na..they'll never make it right!
Definitely need a pork rendering plant next to the place.
I want to stop this monstrosity before it is built, but barraing that, I say bring on the strip joints, the gay bars, the pork processing plant, the synogogue... everything and anything to test the tolerance of the moslems.
http://www.blogtalkradio.com/the-gathering-storm
Always On Watch had ANDY SULLIVAN, the blue collar worker who's fighting the mosque on today on the radio show. You MUST listen to it.
I didn't hear the first guest, but please listen to about the last 20 minutes...he made a bunch of us on the chat room weepy with patriotism and excitement. the guy is a GEM!
http://www.bluecollarcorner.com/aboutus.html
That's his website but darned if I can find a mention of his work re the mosque..help me out, please, someone!? !!
Without joking, do you know how the vietnamese and chinese kicked out the arabic immigrants from their neighborhoods in my hometown?
By putting bacon in mailboxes and cooking plenty of pork-based delicacies in building.
I find it sad and funny at the same time.
Z, I wasn't exactly thinking about prayers.
Can you think of a bigger insult?
Btw, Mustang's are great.
Pris
http://www.bluecollarcorner.com/blog/
there's a better address for Sullivan..
Pris, I don't get you!!
I find Gutfeld and the Red Eye crew very funny and entertaining, but I find it interesting that in a group largely characterized as conservative Christians, we're advocating putting up a gay bar. I realize it's a joke--and a pretty funny one--but it has me thinking: Do we (human beings) spend too much time defining ourselves by what we are against than what we are for? Is there a temptation to focus on being more anti-Islam than pro-Christ and then come to the conclusion that a gay bar would be a good thing even though it opposes Christian morals?
My mind kind of got on this topic after reading a piece (I think by Michael Medved) about Jews' tendency toward liberalism. The arguement was largely that Jews often define themselves as "not Christians" and since Christians tend to be conservative, Jews support liberals. It got me to thinking about other examples of how people define themselves as a refutation of the negative rather than an affirmation of the positive.
Furthermore, I've been looking at some stuff about St. Augustine's view of evil. He sees evil not as a force opposing a good force. He sees evil as the lacking of good--not a thing in itself, but the absence of something.
Now that I've ruined the joke, maybe someone else can run with the theme of something being a thing of just a lack of some other thing.
tio
tio "a group largely characterized as conservative Christians"
REALLY? WHO?
How might you affirm the positive of Christ in this situation?
Z,
Do I remember correctly that the 9-11 terrorists spent a lot of their time prior to the terrorist attack at strip clubs?
Tio, can't you laugh at or tell an off color joke, without going to hell? I mean, we're not without a sense of irony or humor. Even capable of being a little mean spirited at times.
This is the same thing. I don't know about you but, I haven't achieved perfection and never will. I have never known anyone who has.
How about you cut folks some slack. This does not make us bad people, let alone evil. Good grief!
Pris
How might one affirm the positive of Christ in this situation...
Matthew 12:34a, "You brood of vipers, how can you, being evil, speak what is good?" Jesus was no light touch.
I suspect Jesus would address this remark to the Imans today. They lightly esteem his teaching and say Muhammed is replacement prophet for Jesus.
Therefore a Christian following the teaching of Christ could oppose the mosque as much as he feels comfortable and that would be consistent with Christianity. The civil authorities might object to that. The civil authorities are trained to be intolerant of Christians.
Pris, I know tio personally and I know his dad via emails and they are smart and funny....
but today? notsomuch! :-)
BobQat..welcome to geeeZ...
Now THAT is 'affirming the positive of Christ' if I ever heard one..thanks for that! I hope you come back for my regular columns and my Sunday Faith Blog.
Law and Order, I think you're right on that!!
Z-I think if you asked your readers/commenters, "Are you a Christian?" and "Are you a conservative?" most would answer yes to both--that's my impression anyway.
Pris-I didn't say anything about going to hell or call you bad people or try to suggest that I'm perfect. Rarely will you find endorsements (even in jest) on this blog for putting up strip clubs and gay bars. Again, I found the joke to be pretty good, but I think it's an interesting question: How do you get people to do things they normally would not?
Let me know if there are any other jokes you'd like me to ruin for you.
tio
Less Ducky and now tio, a humorless lefty.
The left only likes their jokes while I love Carlin and laughs very hard at things I don't necessarily agree.
But I see some TRUTH in his humor and therefore I laugh.
The left is incapable of seeing the truth. So they can't laugh. Because real humor has some truth to it.
And I don't consider myself a Christian as most people would on this blog. I was raised Catholic but even though I believe in god and the principles of the 10 commandments, I lack faith and am too rational for it.
So tio, please spare us the cliches and the habit of putting people in boxes that the collectivist left has.
Less Ducky and now tio, a humorless lefty.
The left only likes their jokes while I love Carlin and laughs very hard at things I don't necessarily agree.
But I see some TRUTH in his humor and therefore I laugh.
The left is incapable of seeing the truth. So they can't laugh. Because real humor has some truth to it.
And I don't consider myself a Christian as most people would on this blog. I was raised Catholic but even though I believe in god and the principles of the 10 commandments, I lack faith and am too rational for it.
So tio, please spare us the cliches and the habit of putting people in boxes that the collectivist left has.
I posted on this too... isn't it great?
My favorite title idea: Suspicious Packages.
In response to tio, I had some hesitation as a Christian about supporting the gay bar idea too, although I was only thinking about the cleverness and humor in it, and I did later wish I hadn't supported it at all. Christians are not to indulge in crude jokes either. In reality I have to say no, no gay bars no matter what the effect on the mosque. No strip joints etc either. After all, I make the point from time to time that I think the whole reason Islam has been gaining a foothold in this nation is because we're no longer Christian and God is judging us.
So I repent of joking around in that way.
But pork businesses, Jewish businesses etc., are fine from a Christian perspective and make the point just as well.
Z, I'm sure they're both very nice. I have nothing against Tio, I disagree with him that's all.
Tio, It was your mention of evil that got me. I don't think that's even close to what has been said here today.
I see evil in that Mosque going up where it is. The intent there is no way pure, or for outreach.
Mr. Pris and I went to a strip club now and then, back in the day when stripping was an art form of sorts. Then, it was called burlesque. We emerged unscathed and in tact I might add.
We were conservatives then too.
Pris
I sure would like to hope this is a serious thing.
As for Duck and Tio, we can have them out back servicing the male patrons.
Steve, tio doesn't deserve that.
Oh what a great idea! And Mustang, you added even better ones. Afterall, we all should strive for peace and harmony and understand with each other. It is all about opening dialogue and building bridges.
WASHINGTON (AP) — President Barack Obama on Friday forcefully endorsed building a mosque near ground zero, saying the country's founding principles demanded no less.
"As a citizen, and as president, I believe that Muslims have the same right to practice their religion as anyone else in this country," Obama said, weighing in for the first time on a controversy that has riven New York and the nation.
"That includes the right to build a place of worship and a community center on private property in lower Manhattan, in accordance with local laws and ordinances," he said. "This is America, and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable."
ERICA WERNER
Associated Press
To expound or not to expound, that is the question...oh well here goes:
I saw the video of Gutfeld's bit. I read the post. I read the comments. I thought conservatives/Christians and gay bars / strip clubs sure make strange bedfellows. I realize it was a joke--a funny one as I said in the original post. I also realize that jokes have some element of truth (cf. FrogBurger). Other than being the scorn of Islam, these two bedfellows have little that would unite them.
The idea that the gay bar has virtue because it is detested by Muslims made me think of the Medved piece that said Jews are attracted to liberalism because it is not Christian conservatism. That article had made me think of how easy it is for Christians to define ourselves as what we are not (we don't steal, we don't cheat, we don't sleep around) rather than what we are (reconciled children of God). I do the same thing in sports--I'll cheer for the Celtics on their sole virtue of not being the Lakers (sorry, Z, it's true). So I see a recurring theme, in myself and other people, of defining virtue as the lack of badness. Then I came across the Augustine stuff that states the opposite. Goodness is not the absence of badness; badness is the absence of goodness.
Well, that's the string of thoughts that linked liberal Jews, Augustine, and gay bars. I'm not sure what the final conclusion is, which is why I was inviting someone else to run with the idea: analyze it, critique it, modify it--or call me a leftist who should be sodomized while he is damning everyone around him. Either way.
Yes, jokes have an element of truth, including the bit Bill Schulz does on Red Eye where he sarcastically says, "I was reading on republican outrage dot com..."
tio
"Goodness is not the absence of badness; badness is the absence of goodness."
Excellent point, Tio.
And, for what it's worth, I do think that a lot of christians DO the things they say they DON'T do. (I'm speaking for myself.) I gossip. I lie. I've stolen. etc. So...my christianity cannot be defined by what I have not or do not do. It's not about me.
Thanks for making me think today. This is an important issue.
But I DO think that ground zero should be surrounded by "christian" bookstores, Jewish businesses, all kinds of pork sausage / barbecue, etc.
Come on. In the name of tolerance.
Tio, yes, I "think" my readers are both..Obviously, I thought you meant THE RED EYE bunch!! They're NOT, tho they are Conservatives. Kind of creepy, debauched ones, but conservative. (see below)
FrogBurger, tio is no lefty! you say "I lack faith and am too rational for it." Even us 'too rational' people have tons of faith..that's the best type :-)
but the hardest to come by (and the most lasting and rewarding and fascinating as one has to study a lot to get there!), TRUST ME ON THAT>
Pris, I wasn't chastising you...I was teasing as you can see at the end of my sentence re tio! Yes, of course anybody can disagree with him. ! I'd have to say stripping is creepy to me but it probably wasn't quite what it is today when you guys went!
Steve, tio REALLY doesn't deserve that, Elmer's Bro is right!
Leslie, I'm not adverse to BURNING some bridges, right!?
Major, THAT is so funny! Yes, all those military things RIGHT around the mosque..great idea! I laugh every time I read your comment...!
ANONYMOUS..isn't that a PIP (and I don't mean with Gladys Knight)...yup, our president likes the idea! WAIT till you see my post for midnight tonight, LA time!
tio, sorry you got blasted like you did...most of us don't feel like Steve does :-) Even he's a good guy, really!
Yes, okay...bad is the absence of good....you might say it's the absence of GODness!?
Perhaps it's not "Christian" to advocate for a gay bar to be built next to a mosque as a test of the Muslim mendacious call for "tolerance."
I just look at the great fun Elijah had mocking and taunting the prophets of Baal in 1 Kings trying to get their idol Baal to light a sacrificial fire without response, when he could call down fire from heaven to light his sacrifice to God (Perhaps Baal was busy talking, or on a potty break... LOL) and the fact that Islam's Allah is in fact etymologically and archeologically identifiable as that same "Baal," this reads that a proto-Islam was mocked directly by a prophet of God in the Bible.
Mockery to demonstrate a falsehood and foolishness is a fine Biblical tradition.
The fact that pederasty is a custom in Islamic lands probably kills the humor of advocating a gay bar next to a mosque. It'd just be a convenience store of a different sort for them.
No, this is the time for rank and file union members to show they're actually worth a damn. As I wrote on Beak's blog:
Try building ANYTHING in NYC without employing unionized contractors. It's not going to happen.
Now, given that whoever builds this atrocity will be union workers, we can already presume it won't be built on time, won't be built within budget, and most distinctly won't be built with any caliber resembling quality.
When the thing is finally built, after months of objecting union members taking out sick leave, claiming emotional distress and filing worker's compensation claims from working on this atrocity, and when the thing finally has a roof to cap off the mildew and mold encrusted wall interiors from the project being rained upon, and the electrical systems having been exposed to the elements for a few seasons as union racket building delays continue, the damned thing will finally have to pass building and fire safety code inspections who very well may be suddenly become sticklers for quality when it comes to union work and condemn the monstrousity before it's ever opened for business.
I'm wondering how many union carpenters and ironworkers and bricklayers and electricians and plumbers will actually show up for work to build this eyesore (and earsore, if / when they're finally blaring the sound of a goat being sodomized over loudspeakers five times a day in downtown Manhattan)and how shoddy the workmanship will be at its completion.
The damned thing may just fall down all on its own the first Friday someone turns on the wrong sequence of light switches.
I'm not real worried that it will stand very long if it ever stands at all.
In this instance, unions will be good for something.
To that I would add, unionized firemen, the "brothers" of those that died in the collapse of the towers, are going to consider the mosque up to code, or nitpick it to death? Unionized police officers, "brothers" of those that died when the towers collapsed, are going to go out of their way to protect the structure from attack?
There's fantasy, and there's what's gonna happen.
Beamish makes an excellent point:
and earsore, if / when they're finally blaring the sound of a goat being sodomized over loudspeakers five times a day in downtown Manhattan
I'm glad that I don't live anywhere near where that cacophonous prayer screaming blares out.
Beamish, you have to hear Andy Sullivan, AOW's guest yesterday, the last 20 minutes of her show, approximately...maybe 25.
He's the guy in NYC who works as a construction supervisor and is getting construction people and suppliers, etc., NOT to work on this building. He says it's a really growing thing as he collects names, etc.
I have to say that if this Imam could get this by the NYC authorities, he's paying somebody off BIG TIME, so he COULD pay enough to get this built, but NOT in time. ANYBODY who thinks they can put up a 15 story bldg by 9/11/11 is dreaming...a building like that could be hung up in Plan Check alone for half a year, UNLESS he's paying THEM off, too.
I hear there's some problem with ownership of the property and money now, but they msm isn't covering it. we'll see what happens...
NYC even relinquished the HISTORICAL status of the Burlington coat factory which has to be knocked down for the Imam to start building his bldg.
http://lpcvs.com/080310a.cfm
Approve or not, this guy has GUTS. The muslims are all OVER him and have been for a couple of years now for trying to stop their push...gutsy as hell, in my opinion...on HIS part, not theirs.
"Even us 'too rational' people have tons of faith..that's the best type :-)
but the hardest to come by (and the most lasting and rewarding and fascinating as one has to study a lot to get there!), TRUST ME ON THAT"
beautiful
I needed that today
beak, what do you mean "one muslims can never admit"? That's the excuse this Imam's giving constantly, and his supporters all over the media.
"This is a beacon of light....we have to show how OPEN muslims are about accepting all peoples.." yadda yadda!!
That Burlington Coat factory (once a historically preserved building...pretty amazing the muslims got THAT overturned$$$) is pretty wide across the block, you really think the front of the mosque bldg won't be so easily recognized?
Jen, you make me SO happy for having said that. I had written something else and then felt moved to add words, and then add more until it exactly captured my feelings...thanks for agreeing with me, honey! xxx
"Pris, I wasn't chastising you...I was teasing as you can see at the end of my sentence re tio! Yes, of course anybody can disagree with him. ! I'd have to say stripping is creepy to me but it probably wasn't quite what it is today when you guys went!"
I know Z, I just took that opportunity to make my feelings clear about Tio.
I'm sure a strip club is probably different today, than it was back then. Gypsy Rose Lee never exposed anything.
I just wanted to make the point that conservatives aren't the sticks in the mud we're made out to be by liberals.
Pris
GOOD point, Pris! xxx
Z
The Mosque is in the center of the street and I had to look for it and I know the area well.
Muslims will never admit that they need to learn from the freedoms of America and the civility of NYC residents who get along well with others.
Beak, that's good to know...let it be hard to find!
And no, they'll never learn.
"Beak, that's good to know...let it be hard to find!"
Hi Z, I guarantee, if they get this thing built, it will be obvious and gaudy. As imposing and attention getting as they can make it. Mark my words, I think it will be seen from as far away as possible.
These people are nothing if not "in your face"!
Pris
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