Sunday, July 12, 2009

Where's the OUTRAGE?

Mr. Z relates this story from Germany and adds his opinion: A guy on a children’s playground refused to give up the swing to the 3-year old daughter of a woman, and made outrageous remarks to her. She sued him and, last week, the court said he had to pay €1800 or so in civil penalties. When everyone started to leave the courtroom, the guy took out a knife and killed the (pregnant) woman, and injured her husband. It happens that the woman was an Egyptian muslim woman, educated in Germany (pharmacist), living in Germany. The man was a Russian-German who in the past already became known to police as a neonazi who was hostile to foreigners.

Independent of the characteristics of the people involved, a thing like this shouldn’t happen, and it is a sad story, but in a free society, this is difficult to avoid. There was a memorial service yesterday which was attended by 1500 people, including some politicians.

Now, this incident has created a firestorm in the Muslim world, resulting in flag burning of the German flag, painted swastikas on German embassies, huge crowds protesting, and the Egyptian and the Iranian governments threatening Germany openly with terrorism, calling all of Germany an islamophobic country for this incident.

Now, to top this all off, the "great guardian of human rights", aka Ahmadinejad, said that Germany constantly violates human rights, and asked the U.N. Security Council to define sanctions against Germany. Because the countries with a Muslim population and those who support them have a majority in the U.N., surprising things might come up.

Z: Then, there's this story I found just today in this news article you can read the rest of HERE:

"A car bomb exploded near a church as worshippers left Sunday Mass, killing at least four civilians and injuring 18 in one of several attacks on Iraq's beleaguered Christian minority.........Three Christians and one Muslim died in the bombing at around 7 p.m. near a church on Palestine Street in eastern Baghdad, said a police officer who was at the scene. He spoke on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the media."

Anybody see any Christians demanding the U.N. Security Council define sanctions against Iraq? How about any countries for THIS? How about THIS STORY?!! And wait till you read THIS (please pray for these two girls, by the way). Anybody waiting to see Christian groups marching in the streets, bandanas hiding their faces, threatening the whole WORLD's existence?

Germans are getting a ration from the muslim community and others.....Where is the INTERNATIONAL OUTRAGE on the information in my links above and MORE?

z

44 comments:

Ducky's here said...

I was waiting for this.

Reminds me of the time you bigots jumped all over the Theo vanGogh knifing.

Z said...

Waiting for what, Ducky? That people finally wake up and feel outrage at the hypocrisy that the world's not noticing anything untoward by muslims killing Christians!?

We 'bigots' don't like it when innocent people are killed, Ducky....not innocent babies,..not people making films about islamist terrorists who want YOU DEAD ..nobody.

Poor Ducky....one Christian kills an abortionist and all Christians are evil...but let 19 muslims kill 3000 of us, or let muslims threaten and kill Christians and Jews all over the world and Ducky gets outraged that WE NOTICED....your favorite mantra.
Oh, except if you decided all Christians were gays, that would cheer you up even more, I know.

What is it you just can't understand, Ducky? That's so sad.

Mustang said...

Speaking of bigots and hypocrites, I knew it was only a matter of time before duckcrap made another one of his idiotic drive-bys.

heidianne jackson said...

no worries, duckman. I fully understand that it is only possible for whites who are christian or jewish to be biggoted. any horrid act committed by anyone in any group not represented by those listed above are fully explainable and understandable.

I so wish I had no intelligence and/or logic and I could rationalize away all manner of idiocy. unfortunately my parents raised me to think for myself. would that your parents had done the same.

disgusting all of it.

Anonymous said...

Ducky, I'm sure you were waiting for something like this. This is your life.

Funny though, you say you're a Christian, yet as with other attacks, if it doesn't happen to you, it doesn't matter.

There are bad people in every group. Yours included. So watch who you call bigots, big mouth.

As of now, throughout the world, Islamists seek power and special treatment. That's a fact.

When they stop burning and bombing churches, executing Christians, homosexuals, raping non-muslim women, stoning to death their own women, killing their daughters, and generally, killing "infidels", and observe human rights of all citizens, then, we'll talk.

Until then try having compassion for the victims of this world-wide mayhem, and recognize what you refuse to see. That there is a real threat, and no amount of appeasement will stop it.

Btw, no one here would condone the murder of this woman. It is a horrific act which will be punished. It is not an excuse for threats of bombings and killing.

Pris

JINGOIST said...

Germans and the rest of the world are wary of a backlash against "auslanders", especially after the HORRORS of the Shoa. Unfortunately this seems to have crippled a proper reaction to what's happening throughout western Europe...Muslim colonization!

I doubt that England is the only place where Sharia is tacitly accepted as part of the legal code. Sharia's a disgusting and primitive way to organize anyone and it has NO PLACE in Europe or America! The only proper reaction to such a colonizing population is to REJECT it as an abomination.

To Ducky. No one here expects you leftists to understand free speech and free expression issues. If you did, you'd be a BIGOT like the rest of us. :-)

christian soldier said...

there won't be any - OUTRAGE that is--on the part of the Christian community--
Christians have been systematically exterminated in the mid-East for a looooong time --
When I personally asked some of my 'leaders' (some years ago)what we were going to do about it ---I got-no answer except wimpy tripe....
C-CS

Faith said...

Well, it's a hard pill to swallow but I'm afraid Islam is God's judgment on us, on both our abandonment of our Christian foundations but also on our watered-down compromised liberalized de-supernaturalized, oh so "tolerant" wimpy-sweety "Christianity." It's all more and more against us and more and more for them no matter what we say or do; that's the handwriting on the wall. We need a reformation and a revival. I'm not seeing any signs of it myself.

christian soldier said...

another one for you:
http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2009/07/breathing-while-christian.html#readfurther

beamish said...

Ducky's just embarassed that one of his fellow leftists stabbed a pregnant woman to death.

RightKlik said...

The squeakiest wheels will win.

shoprat said...

The difference in reaction shows the irreconcilable difference between Jesus and Mohammad. The two cannot possibly be connected to the same God.

Z said...

Shoprat, according to Geo. Bush, the two Gods are the same.

I'm quite sure Mr. Obama feels that way, too, except that he feels America, a country 85% of whom identifies itself with Christianity, is NOT a "Christian Nation", of course (grrr) I believe Mr. Bush felt otherwise.

lovelyprism said...

You people really always understand what Ducky is saying? I have never replied to him because I never know wtf he's on about. I guess my ignorance makes me the lucky one. Well said Pris, as usual.

dmarks said...

If the guy had knifed a Jewish person, the Iranian government would be commending him as a hero.

Always On Watch said...

this incident has created a firestorm in the Muslim world

The outrage mentioned is all about the propaganda war in favor of Islamophilia. Events which don't reflect positively on Islam are swept under the rug.

The murder of the Egyptian woman is an atrocity. No doubt about that.

Still, I have a hard time sympathizing with Moslem outrage since the cartoonifada.

Always On Watch said...

Duck said, I was waiting for this.

Laying in wait, is he?

Just his way of getting his jollies, I suppose.

Ducky's here said...

"A firestorm in the Muslim world".

Yeah, the Muslim Brotherhood organizes a couple of demonstrations in Egypt which go nowhere and it's a firestorm.

Damn you right wingers live scared. Do you really come out of your homes, ever?

Ducky's here said...

Speaking of films about Islamic terrorists, z, did you see "The Stoning of Soraya M." ?

I know it didn't have the publicity behind it that a piece of dogfood like "Fitna" had but it is an excellent example of how to do something effectively and dispassionately.

I'm curious why you bring up abortion in a thread about the rights overreaction to all things Muslim.

Always On Watch said...

Duck,
It's Z's web site, so she can bring up anything she wants.

Point of order.

christian soldier said...

I highly recommend taking the time to see The STONING OF SORAYA M..
Saw it last week---excellent acting-tightly put together-and shows EVIL in a fashion that the mind cannot forget---
If our minds actually SEE what is going on ...we will not back off when it is time to fight it...
I also recommend the books by Vince Flynn and Brad Thor....
C-CS

RaDena said...

It's your blog, Z. You can kick the troll to the curb anytime you want. He's not a duck, he's a jackass - with apologies to all jackasses everywhere. No apologies for that either. If he can call us bigots he leaves himself wide open.

Sorry for getting here so late. You make an excellent point with this post. The Muslim world is so vile and murderous, but just let one of them be murdered and they scream holy hell! The western world needs to wake up to this idiocy and take a real stand against them. If we don't, then our bad... we're toast!

FJ said...

1800 Euro's for not playing nice on the swingset? What the hell kind of judgement was THAT? I would have stabbed the judge.

Z said...

Thanks, everyone......all good comments and I wish everyone would read each of them.

Ducky, you keep showing you don't read the full post or comments.
How you can actually not understand the point about abortion doctors kind of scares me...read it again and you'll get it.

As for 'go nowhere'..NO, again, read the post; muslims are threatening Germany because one crazed Russian murdered an Egyptian woman. All Muslims must finally learn that things happen in a free society they've chosen to live in that they might not like but they can't threaten and demand and insult because of them.
Germany's had a lot of muslim turf wars within their country and they're FINALLY waking up to it...they have a chance of keeping the character and laws and safety of their country because they're waking up, possibly, in time....unlike England or Holland.
All muslims aren't terrorists and all muslims are not so special that they deserve any special rights ...
Time to wake up and realize it's not just anarchists and terrorists who have rights, Ducky.

you said "Damn you right wingers live scared. Do you really come out of your homes, ever?" You'll be deleted again next time; please control your nasty sarcasm. It doesn't allow for constructive discussion and I'm sure is more mean spirited than you really are, at least I hope so, for your sake.

christian soldier said...

http://carolmsblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/must-see-stoning-of-soraya-m.html
The Truth will set us free - esp. if we see it before our very eyes...
C-CS

Z said...

FJ, good point and it made me laugh. But, they're bullied in very subtle ways, the Germans, and have been lulled into over reaction like most of the West's been. Islamists know EXACTLY how to play us, they know our laws better here than we do, the 'outrage' they exhibit is very effective and forces good Westerners to bend over backwards; they know that; guilt is a powerful force.
One of the worst things here in America was when the flying imams canceled their case against the Americans who found their actions questionable and threatening. It would have done America a lot of good to have seen that combination: Islamists taking to court honest Americans who'd felt their actions could have got them killed.
Yes, it's time people of all ilk start recognizing that decency and self preservation are worth standing up for. WOULD that Americans had seen that trial on television; it really would have shown a very basic threat here that's being played out in Europe already...I guess cAIR figured it was too early for that yet here.

Some people fit in the country they've adopted, grateful to be there and contributory to the society; others don't. That shouldn't that be honored..WHY?

Z said...

Ducky, Soraya has had plenty of publicity...I don't know what inference you're trying to make by denying that.
Killing within themselves, in the muslim community, is not uncommon but that's a problem Iran should finally solve; except their faith allows for this and that's that..(and except that it's coming here now, too..remember the Buffalo, NY case of 8 months or so ago).....What do you feel should be done, We must condemn and hope Iran stops this, but it's very imbedded in their religious culture and we shouldn't "Meddle", you must have heard about that, right? :-)
Fitna is about those extremists killing US, Ducky. Big difference.

What is it with you people? Don't we EVER matter to you?

Z said...

RaDena, good points.

Christian Soldier, thanks for that clip from Soraya......I hope more people see it; I think they aren't because this is something we know's happening and there's not much we can do, sadly.

dMarks...right..
Lovely.....that doesn't make you ignorant, TRUST me :-)

Mustang and Heidianne, it's got to be some kind of game.....most of us write clearly enough to be quite well understood.

beamish said...

I know ["The Stoning of Soraya M."] didn't have the publicity behind it that a piece of dogfood like "Fitna" had but it is an excellent example of how to do something effectively and dispassionately.

Because a movie based on a work of fiction is so much more "effective" and "dispassionate" about the barbaric treatment of women in theocratic Iran than a documentary of real Muslims and real violent events and the real Islamic ideology spurring it along?

Well, damn. Geert Wilders should have included a pop-up book for you Ducky.

Z said...

Beamish, I wish that was fiction...it's still happening quite a lot in Iran..but your point is right; this is more heinous to Ducky because it's muslims getting killed. This shouldn't be happening ANYWHERE.
People getting killed by islamists in Western Countries (or even having turf wars OR killing their females because they're befriending German or French or Dutch kids) doesn't seem to matter to him...after all, they're just Westerners.

beamish said...

Z,

"The Stoning of Soraya M." is a novel. The elements the novel is based on are true enough - there was a "Soraya M." that was accused of and stoned to death for "adultery," and women are treated horribly under Iran's Islamic jurisprudence - but much of the rest of the story is fictionalization and dramatization.

Ducky's cheap shot at Geert Wilders' short film "Fitna" is because Wilder's film does what "Stoning of Soraya M." doesn't - which is point directly at Islamic belief and practice as the "root cause" of the violence towards women in Islamic society.

Or, maybe it's because Ducky still has popcorn in his bowl at the end of "Fitna" because it's only 15 minutes long.

FJ said...

FJ, good point and it made me laugh. But, they're bullied in very subtle ways, the Germans, and have been lulled into over reaction like most of the West's been.

My post wasn't meant to be funny ( ;-) )... well not entirely.

The point I was trying to make is that the German judicial system is not performing its' function, it's accomplishing the opposite of its' function. Instead of "healing" individual citizens within the community, it's inciting them to violence against one another via absurd/ draconian judgements. As in the United States, one has to wonder the extent unto which this disgraceful judicial misconduct is intentional.

FJ said...

I guess what I'm saying is that this woman should have been LAUGHED out of court. But by taking her side against the established community, the judge made the individual take justice into his own hands. The judge in the trial should be impeached.

Z said...

Fj, the laws are different in Germany...but you're right; I just asked Mr. Z; apparently, this is a HATE CRIMES thing. The State got the 1800 Euros...
SHE didn't..she was a witness to what the guy said to her!

You're right...the court should be laughed at. Obviously, the judge didn't think this was too serious or the fine would have been heftier, though.

Germany's still sensitive to hate crimes stuff because of the holocaust....

beamish said...

FJ,

Had this case occured in America, the ACLU would have rushed to the defense of the neo-Nazi's right to be a racist ass. In America, the left protects their own.

FJ said...

this is a HATE CRIMES thing.

Everything in Germany involving a foreigner is AUTOMATICALLY a hate crimes thing. That's partially the point... when any external (foreign) group is automatically "the victim" and the majority citizen is automatically labelled "the oppressor," no sound or impartial judicial decision can be rendered (someone should tell THAT to Sotomayor). This leaves it to the individual citizen to exact his own form of "justice", as the state becomes incapable of rendering an "impartial" judgement. The German judicial function has become biased and therefore dysfunctional. My only question is the extent to which the dysfunction IS INTENTIONAL/ BY DESIGN. Were these laws designed by the authorities to be dysfunctional so as to force the people to demand that it be REPLACED WITH SOMETHING BETTER... say an "European/World/UN Court". Forced "change", so to speak.

FJ said...

Cuz let's face it, had this case come before the judgement of Islamic authorities, the woman's testimony would have been dismissed out of hand and judgement immediately rendered to the male involved (she would have needed at least four more women to corroborate her testimony). As punishment for her folly, the judge then would have had her stripped naked and dealt twenty lashes for making false accusations....

FJ said...

...but in any fair and reasonable western court, her charges should have simply been LAUGHED out of court.

Z said...

FJ...Germans aren't eager to commit country-suicide any more than we are.
They're waking up faster than we are, too. They're known to hear an Imam preaching anti Western hate in a mosque there and ship him home that afternoon. NOT US! Of course, they've had WAY more murders of muslim girls by muslim fathers in their courts lately and they're getting real sick of that. And the court judgments have been very harsh.

In some ways, Germany's waking up. They're MUCH MUCH MUCH less PC than we are, and they don't teach their children to hate their country in their schools to the point of weakening themselves like we have (they did, a bit, after WWII,..our friends find my love for America very sweet and they say they envy it; they had that taught OUT of them because of the holocaust, and other more complicated reasons...the left is bent on continuing that "aren't we Germans awful" thing, rather wallowing in it..the conservatives have a bit of that but mostly want to move on, ever so respectful of the holocaust situation but desirous not to hurt Germany in the future by letting that color everything. Remember, it wasn't until Bosnia that Germans were allowed to help an international military situation....that's done a head trip to Germans, that "Germany can never be trusted again" thing. They CAN be trusted and they should be trusted; especially with Merkel there (tho she's done some WHACKO stuff with the climate change, I must admit, but she has a lot of VERY loony 'green' Germans breathing down her neck...Germany put the capital G in Green years ago..to a ridiculous point)
Anyway...geeeZ, sorry for going on and on......

EVERY country in Europe has a lot of political sides, Italy's had about 45 gov'ts since WWII, but it's STILL ITALY...and you NEVER see them slam THEIR COUNTRIES like our left does here ... They don't really air dirty laundry in public like we do.

Just watch the Sotomayor hearings......it was pretty unbelievable, the little I saw this morning. Sen Sheldon Whitehouse ought to have his mouth washed out with soap.

FJ said...

In some ways, Germany's waking up. They're MUCH MUCH MUCH less PC than we are...

I sure hope you're right about that, Z. You wouldn't get that from this particular post, though.

Z said...

I know, FJ...the governmental/court/mouthpieces seem to be just catching up with the popular opinion Mr Z's seeing in news stories. Let's hope.

We don't hear all the truth, they asked in Europe why Obama isn't standing up for America when he was in Russia, too....I think the NYTimes 'forgot' to mention that.

Don't watch the SCOTUS hearings..I sit here thinking there IS no hope. Honestly. I don't think Sotomayor is a devil, I think she's probably a very nice woman and has tons of friends and worked hard to get where she is and has made some fine decisions....But, for anyone to have said what she's said and have Americans standing by the litmus tests when Bush was SO threatened with "NO LITMUS" is almost too much for me.

I keep thinking we're beginning to think AS AMERICANS, not labels, and then I'm reminded. But, of course, some thought racism would get a real kick in the pants with THE ONE's election and that seems hotter than ever now. wow

Pat Jenkins said...

what a story, your first one z!! any totalitarian "regime" needs to fabricate eniemies. obviously muslims are no different!! but at least america will be safe, we have a muslim in the white house now!!... his words......

MK said...

There's no outrage because when it's christians the left don't care, when it's muslims, they're all hysterical and flustered.

The_Editrix said...

"Germans aren't eager to commit country-suicide any more than we are."

That is simply not true. We do not, unlike you, have any conservative, not even any decent (in the old sense) liberal movement. We have Socialists, Communists, Sacred-Heart-Socialists, brown-painted Socialists and green on top of brown-painted Socialists and a few pathetic left-leaning "liberals".

Can you imagine any other people falling for a housepainter? I mean any other highly civilized, highly educated and extremely talented and bright people, not some backward theocracies in the Middle East. Germans LONG to be dominated and Muslim totaliarism is the perfect answer to their prayers because it gives them the opportunity to present a "tolerant" and "mulikulti" face to the world that "proves" that Germans have really really learned from their past, while safely assuming that the Muslim world will finalize what they were forced to stop (by Americans, by the way) in 1945.

Cooperation between Germans and Muslims is my no means new, mind you.

Don't put your great country down with such inappropriate comparisons.