Sunday, July 26, 2009

Matt Rose....No longer an Obama fan..........

There's a Democrat commenter named Matt Rose who came by and said 'hello' this morning on my Sunday Faith Blog. Click HERE for his blog, A Voice From The Left. I'd never heard of him before, but I sure have now and I'm so glad I did. One of his fellow Dems challenged him on his having said he doesn't support Obama anymore.........Here's Matt's response:

You have never figured out what I am about?
Why, because i supported Obama in the election and I DARED to say that I have many doubts about him and his policies NOW?

Because I dared to have some regrets about him now? Well Truth, I have some news for you old buddy, I am not a kool-aide drinker or am I a blind follower of ANYBODY! Not for Liberals like myself or republicans or to anybody else. Yes I do have some doubts about Barack Obama now, MANY doubts. You questioned me because of what I wrote about his idiotic interferance to the Professor Gates and the policeman story! Well I still believe he was out of line and that he was wrong to put his big mouth into a situation that the president of the USA should stay out of.
I think that his Health care bill is a disaster as are so many of his other bills. And I disagree with is decision on closing Gitmo. Look at what he has done on an issue-by-issue basis, generally speaking Americans are unhappy with what Obama is doing on a host of issues. As am I. None of it makes sense.
So maybe I WAS wrong in supporting him! So maybe I don’t support him any longer. So what? Am I a traitor because he fooled me? I have only one short life and I kinda like to live it the way I want. Not the way some socialist wants me to. Yes I do think that he is a socialist and that we are headed down that path, and I for one do not like it. And it’s not only me that thinks that way, Obama's approval rating are plummeting daily. If you can’t see that then you go right ahead and write blogs about how bad Bush was. But we can not blame Bush forever. It’s time to be honest with ourselves. As citizens we get the government we deserve.
It is funny how everyone here is either pointing fingers at George Bush or Dick Cheney or at Sarah Palin or at Rush Limbaugh, when we should be pointing fingers at us, we Americans. We created this mess we put Obama in office. George Bush didn't and George Bush as bad as he was did not create this mess we are in today.
Christ, how it pains me to say it, and to admit that I was wrong.

Matt deserves a lot of respect for having written this and for allowing me to publish it here on my Conservative site. I'm hoping you all agree with me and that, maybe, you'll send this to friends who also voted for Obama and are having trouble with that choice today. Ours isn't to ridicule, not to say "I told you so"; ours is to help America in any way we can. Democrats and many Republicans have a lot to answer for in regard to the election of Barack Obama. Many of us weren't really listening or we wrote off warnings or we voted "anything but the other guy" or we didn't vote.

Thanks, Matt....I'm glad to have run into you and your blog and I'm proud to publish your piece here.....I hope you come back to geeeeeZ and visit some of the other conservative blogs on my sidebar; we can all learn from people who disagree with us when they disagree with reason and kindness and good information. I'd like to think I had your guts if I saw I was wrong.

z

107 comments:

Always On Watch said...

Aha! Here we have proof that BHO supporters can learn!

Quite encouraging.

RightKlik said...

It's a bittersweet victory seeing people abandon Obama. I'm glad there are millions of Obama voters who are unwilling to follow Obama off the edge of a cliff. But it's unfortunate that Obama is performing so poorly that people from the left are starting to regret their vote.

We have to learn from this...one day the shoe will be on the other foot. We need to be very cautious about who we allow to rise to power. And we have to keep the pressure on our leaders.

If we get swept up by the charm of a charismatic leader we will eventually regret it.

Deborah on the Bayside said...

We still need two vibrant parties/opponents to engage in open and genuine debate on the issues. This is an encouraging sign, and a reminder we all need to be careful who we follow. Thanks for the post.

Anonymous said...

Hi Matt, it seems clear that you believe as do I and most here, we don't want our lives beholden to the government.

I think a people who has always known freedom, want to keep it that way. Those of us who have children and grandchildren want their future to be secure, free, and spared from the overwhelming burden that this administration's policies would saddle them with.

All in all I'd say most Americans would agree we are in a precarious position as a country, and did not get what was bargained for by the majority of voters.

At least I hope that's the case. I hope you continue to visit here. While we may disagree on issues let's hope we can have lively and civilized debate. Heck, it's hard to argue with the choir!

Pris

Tom said...

Refreshing that all Liberals are not blindly following & drinking the Obama brand Kool-Aid

David Wyatt said...

Very god, & as has already been mentioned, refreshing. i agree with you, Z, the next time I'm wrong, I want to be as forthright & honest as Mr. Rose in admitting, & correcting it. Maybe another Ron Silver in the making? We can hope!

Z said...

Thanks, everyone, excellent comments.
I personally run the risk of hearing Matt and thinking "OH BOY, everything I BELIEVE, HE'LL now believe!" and that's just plain silly and I'm old and mature enough now (cough cough) to realize that's NUTS! (isn't it? heh!)
What's really important is we fight the kinds of things coming out of the White House these days, that we fight so many of the things Obama stands for....and do it for America.

Chuck said...

Credit to him for taking a stand. I imagine a lot of visitors to his site are not happy. This is the beauty of blogging, stand by your beliefs and if others don't like it, go somewhere else.

beamish said...

I think six solid months of teleprompters and pre-scripted press conference puppet shows are starting to bore the West Wing fans.

The WordSmith from Nantucket said...

I'd like to think I had your guts if I saw I was wrong.

Hey guys,

I didn't support Obama before the election; but now I can see clearly that he's been right all along. And I've been wrong to oppose his desire to radically transform America and change it for the better.











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Nice comment, Matt. Liberalism? Ok, I can somewhat live with that. Leftism/socialist policies? Blech!

The WordSmith from Nantucket said...

Oh, and good on you regarding the ObamaGates episode. The jr. President should have had the wisdom and leadership executive knowledge to have known better than to weigh in with his presidential opinion on a matter that he didn't have all the facts in on. All he succeeded in doing was show his bias, which I think was more than just standing up for a friend.

Sue said...

Now THAT is encouraging!!!

I am praying that the sheeple are waking up and are wanting their country back.

I am going to visit young Mr. Rose's blog and thank him for his courage also.

Jen aka Pinky said...

Whew.
It's so refreshing to see honesty like this. Thank you, Matt. (And you've met a VERY kind and gracious blogger in Z, by the way. I hope you keep coming around.)

It does take courage to be honest about our regrets and doubts. (I doubted Bush through most of his second term.)

I think it takes that kind of honesty to have a productive conversation. Too often, liberals and conservatives hide behind name calling and generalizations.

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M.A. said...

Good for him! We can tell by the President's plummeting approval ratings that there are many more like Matt out there.
It's refreshing, but is it too late?

Anonymous said...

God bless Mr. Rose, and this is encouraging to hear.

I don't get satisfaction from hearing people say, they were wrong about Mr. Obama.


It saddens me greatly that a person such as Mr. Obama was able to get into the race of president in the first place because he played some games with these primaries.

Now, all of us are in the same crowded boat of misery, because my lovlies, that is what socialism is all about , spreading the pain.


Well, all right then , let's all get back up and continue to prove that this is still OUR Country, and not Madame Pelosi's and Mr. Obama's exclusive torture chambers.

WVDOTTR

Z said...

WVDottr "Spreading the pain"..good one. So sad.

MA..in some ways, I do think it's too late; kids are really buying into this CRADLE TO GRAVE stuff....out schools stink (even if you are a teacher..oops, sorry, I know YOUR classroom doesn't stink!!)

Jen, I sure hope he comes around, too..and thanks for the kind words.
You just catch me in good moods :-)!!

Wordsmith, you really had me going there for a minute; I couldn't believe my eyes! WHEW!

Average American said...

Don't get so caught up with the shrinking poll numbers and buyers remorse on the part of many people that we forget where a LOT of the blame for having the POTUS that we do goes. The damnedable liberal media still sucks and we can NEVER forgive them, or at least I can't, for the part they played. Matt, welcome to the right side. As I told you at your blog, I think you are really a moderate, not a liberal.

JINGOIST said...

Matt's intellectual honesty is a rare bird indeed,I thought it was an extinct trait on the left, but Matt has "fixed" my attitude.

Matt Rose said...
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Matt Rose said...

TRUTH 101 said...

Matt: for your's and anyone else's info, I too think illegals should not be allowed here. They drive down the wages and are a drain on our health system.

You and others forget it's Bush and the Republicans that did little to stop the influx.
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No Truth, I didn't forget it, But how come Obama was able to change everything else that "Bush" was responsible for?

He can NOW do whatever he wants to, but Obama is for the influx of illegals, so lets call it as it is.
Come on in, the door is open and the welcome mat is out. The federal government of the United State has no intention of enforcing border security or protecting national sovereignty, less than eight years after September 11th. It is time we stop “blaming Bush for everything and especially for Obama’s short falls.
Illegal Aliens are in violation of Section 8 of the United States Code. Obama is wrong. These people are Socialists! Am I’m I saying anything that you don’t already know? I doubt it. So let’s stop the BS and call it like it is. Obama is a socialist and he is ruining this country. PERIOD.…sorry. I can not and WILL NOT support him any longer.

Ducky's here said...

Hmmm, a lefty who's upset about Gitmo being closed. Yeah, I believe that.

We got some heavy Lefty in Name Only, here.

Ducky's here said...

Maybe another Ron Silver in the making? We can hope

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Yo, Ron Silver took the last bus a little while back.

Nobody knows he's gone.

Right Is Right said...

No Ducky, with No blog...
A lefty with some brain cells left.

He is destroying this country so fast, and I cannot believe his "sheep" cannot see it. And if you can't then it you that have the blinders on.
Your Ron Silver reference is not only juvenile but stupid.

What is in it for him to be in such a frenzy and hatefulness to get this healthcare reform (as he calls it) passed so quickly? There's something we do not know about. He says it won't add to the deficit - it may not because he will have taxed everybody to death to try to pay for it. He is "re-distributing the wealth". People ridiculed Joe the Plumber, but he was absolutely correct. obama is taking from the hard-working citizens who pay taxes to pay the White House salaries and giving to the illegals and undeserving. It's all about power and control. Oh, why does everything happen in Chicago???? Like the terrorists conference at the Hilton in Chicago so they can recruit members from here in our United States!!! Nothing good comes out of Chicago, especially the president and his cronies, all crooks, don't pay taxes, it won't affect them. Before it's over, we will have no money, will all live in small houses, begging for food,because he is stripping us of every right that we have. We will be living as a 3rd world country, no freedom of worship. I hope the scales over your eyes will be lifted before it's too late.
But you find it funny and cute to ridicule Matt who has at least shown us that his brain-cell still work.
Maybe this should be a lesson to people like YOU and to jerks like David Letterman who also find humor in ridiculing people that don't agree with them.

MK said...

Here's to hoping more and more wake up before it's too late and there is no point.

Ducky's here said...

Well, Right is Right, just why does he want to rush this "health care" bill through?

I figure its because he knows its critical to his presidency and that the nation is virtually unable to overcome inertia here.

So we have a health care system whos costs are out of control. It's going to break us and could well hit 30% of GDP in another decade. Total disaster.

So the Senate can't do much more than put more money into the system, feed the insurance and drug companies who own your right wing butt. Cool, heh?

Just business as usual, everyone dancing to the tune of the master corporate state. Nothing has changed in this presidency. Same old some old.

Palin in 2012 !!! At least America gets a quick death, right?

Ducky's here said...

Like the terrorists conference at the Hilton in Chicago so they can recruit members from here in our United States!!!

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I'm going to let you in on a secret, Right. The comrades are going to be pretty steamed but you are bright enough to have figured it out pretty much, so no real harm.

We have our command and control in place already through A.C.O.R.N. the Panthers, and La Raza. These disciplined revolutionary brothers and sisters are ready to move at any time.
The Southern Poverty Law Center and the ACLU have developed our legal wing and thanks to revoluti0nary sister Nancy Pelosi we are well on our way to completing a state takeover of the transportation, energy, health and financial infrastructure.

Meanwhile, all you have are some gun loons who think their pop guns will protect them. You will soon discover that we have been doing a lot more than simply ridiculing the one person who can stop our plans - Sarah Palin.

The Thin Blue Line said...

Ducky BOY!

The only loon on this blog is YOU.
Take off those tinted glasses you are wearing and see the light.

FJ said...

So we have a health care system whos costs are out of control. It's going to break us and could well hit 30% of GDP in another decade. Total disaster.

Why would that be a disaster? Americans are living longer and the boomers are just reaching retirement age, why can't they spend more money to spend those additional years in a healthier state?

RaDena said...

Ducky will never see the light. He's an Obamabot.

Good for Matt Rose! This really is inspiring, Z, and I thank you for posting it. Matt definitely has character, something Ducky is sorely lacking in.

Ducky's here said...

Yo Farmer, the boomers have government funded insurance. They're out of the loop.

Ducky's here said...

And please don't call me an Obamabot. I am a LEFTIST not some wishy washy corporate tool.

Yeah, leftists just love Larry Summers and Timmy Geithner, the financial sector gophers. That Education Secretary that's pushing charter schools, is he a lib?

Putting GM in bankruptcy and smashing the UAW. Man, that's some leftist.

I defy you dittoheads to explain just why you think Obamarama is a leftist. Did we pull out of Afghanistan or something? Stop sending welfare checks to Israel?

Erics Eyes said...

YOU have the nerve to call other "ditto heads"? You are the kool aide drinker, you are the nut job.
You are the socialist lover.
You are the freakazoid!

For all those folks who think that Government run health care is a good idea because you can't get regular private health care because of a pre-existing condition, I think you should go sue your parents for the bad genes they gave you. Yeah, thats the ticket, sue your Momma, you are entitled to good genes, right! And after you collect from your Mamma, you can come after the little bit of money I have....because you are entitled to that, too, right.

What a leftist moron. Grow up and take control of your own live. We shouldn't have to take care of you forever! Obama is running a bigger scam than Maddof. He wants mandatory health care paid for by all of our tax dollars (the rich will pay more than their share) so that the unions in Michigan and Illinois will get bailed out and GM and Chrysler will no longer have to carry the retirees health care.
I'm sick and tires of listening to you leftist Commies kissing the ring of that jerkoff we have in the white house. Who is the biggest anti American this country has ever elected to our highest office. And loves nothing more than to apologize for the wrongs this country as done in the past. He and his fat assed wife should both be ashamed of themselves.

Ducky's here said...

The UAW got bailed out? Eric, were you following the GM story?

dmarks said...

Ducky said "I defy you dittoheads to explain just why you think Obamarama is a leftist. Did we pull out of Afghanistan or something? Stop sending welfare checks to Israel?"

I'm not a dittohead. But Obama is leftist because his policies are left of center.

As for the Israel reference, thanks for the anti-semitic mention at the end.

dmarks said...

Ducky said: "Just business as usual, everyone dancing to the tune of the master corporate state"

There is no "corporate state". The far left attacks this mythical entity and uses it as an excuse to approprate the propety of the people.

i.e. if it is not owned by the government (the only approved corporation of the far left), then it is part of the "corporate state" and the government must work to seize it.

It's surpising that anyone can admit to being a hard leftist anymore. The image problem of having your movement defined by the likes of Lenin, Stalin, Marx, Pol Pot, Castro, Mao etc is a very strong factor.

dmarks said...

Yes. The UAW got bailed out. They were given an unearned large share of the company, while the investors were shafted.

The UAW has made out like bandits for quite a while. They build shoddy cars and get paid way above the real market value of the work.

Jess said...

Proof that Democrat does not = moron. Seriously, Matt Rose is probably a Dem because he truly believes in the platform, but he's NOT a lefty and there's a difference. Kudos to him for coming out and speaking his mind. There are lots of people like him only they are afraid to say anything for fear of being ostracized. These days it seems if you're not FOR Obama you're a radical right wing Republican, so not true!

Erics Eyes said...

Ducky said.. Did we Stop sending welfare checks to Israel?"


No but we are on the way.
Who the hell is Obama to dictate what Israel should or shouldn't do?

Does he do that to the ARAB nations that we send "welfare checks to"?

Any Jew that supports Obama should get their head examined.

Z said...

Average, thanks for coming by...good point.
Jingo..."intellectual honesty" is right.

Ducky! Matt disagrees with YOU on every tenet, so he's LEFTY IN NAME ONLY? WOW... Maybe he's just read more about GItmo and actually gets it; but you don't agree so he's wrong?
As for Ron Silver, the man died, Ducky......why can't you ever show any respect?
As for Obama pushing through health care, he's doing it so nobody has the time to understand it. Do you know there are people who STILL think we can 'keep our private insurance'? Check it out, Ducky, as I've said in previous posts, IT'S A STONE COLD LIE. Keep drinking the Kool Aid, Ducky...but if you get sick on it, don't call a doctor.
Funny response to Right is Right.....the terrorists are MUSLIMS, Ducky...you're a nasty lot, you leftwingers, but you're not terrorists...yet. Not quite yet.

Right is Right, welcome to GeeeeZ, super comment...I hope people like Matt start speaking out more and more.

Thin Blue Line, thanks for being here, Sir. I saw your blog and you're SO right; I believe Crowley shouldn't go have a beer at the WH, too.

FJ....when the Obama people start visiting the elderly, they won't be living longer.


Eric, welcome ....as for Obama apologizing? He has NO problem apologizing around the world for the 'mean ol' America' he's now representing but don't ask him to apologize for dumping a cop in the mud without knowing the facts. And I, too, just don't understand Jewish friends who voted for Obama.
As for Israel, it's FINE for Obama to 'meddle' there, but no place else...how's that work?

dMarks, don't be surprised; Ducky has said he's a communist here.

RaDena, thanks! This was a really satisfying post to publish, believe me.!

Jess, I've met 3 Dems in the last month or so who are very sorry they supported THE ONE.

Debbie said...

What a refreshing statement, someone who is willing to be themselves and not just follow the crowd.

I respect that no matter what political party affiliation a person has, be honest to yourself.

Deborah F. Hamilton
Right Truth
http://www.righttruth.typepad.com

FJ said...

Yo Farmer, the boomers have government funded insurance. They're out of the loop.

You forget that the government collected hundreds of thousands of dollars from every single one of us, ducky. And what did the government do with that money? They invested it in a Ponzi scheme that didn't have a prayer of paying the investors (boomers) back.

If boomer seniors don't have healthcare tomorrow, then that proves that the government has totally mispent their money (16% of all US wages). So now you expect us to trust the government so that they can mispend even MORE of our hard earned money? You've GOT to be kidding. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me 2x, shame on me!

dmarks said...

Ducky said he's a communist?

I wonder what excites him more. Kim Il Jong's hair, Fidel Castro's action-figure green suits, or Pol Pot's home decor that uses piles of skulls.

FJ said...

FJ....when the Obama people start visiting the elderly, they won't be living longer.

Exactly. Euthenasia/rationing is the progressive solution to the health care crises that the Progressives themselves have manufactured.

Truth said...

Although a lifelong member of the Republican Party, Eisenhower endorsed Barack Obama for president of the United States in 2008.[6][7][8] Eisenhower announced on August 21, 2008 that she was leaving the Republican Party and becoming an independent.[9]

She spoke on the final day of the 2008 Democratic National Convention. Her speech was delivered at INVESCO Field at Mile High in Denver, Colorado, and began with, "I stand before you tonight not as a Republican or a Democrat, but as an American."[10] The full transcript of her remarks as delivered[10] are on her official website www.SusanEisenhower.com, as well as video of her remarks at the Convention.[11]

That makes it even.

Ducky's here said...

FJ, the majority of health care money is spent in the last two years of life.

Do you pay for a hip replacement fro someone with terminal pancreatic cancer? Should people be required to have a living will stating their wishes.

If you think the country can avoid having this conversation then you ain't thinking. Pure and simple.

Let the rest be frightened of the big bad commies, BOOOO !!! but you know this as well as I do.

Elmers Brother said...

just remember this is the same duhkkky who has reduced himself to accusing disabled veterans of being a drag on society

Elmers Brother said...

it's also the same duhkkky who thought that the VA was socialized medicine despite the fact that vets often pay up to 20% or more for being treated there

Z said...

Truth,
Poor General Eisenhower, how ashamed he'd have been to think a granddaughter would back a socialist. WOW
Matt Rose has changed his mind as he's seen what Obama's up to...Matt's an American who hates socialism..good for him.

Ducky, don't look now..but in the rare case someone with cancer needs a hip replacement, don't you think Doctors and families are discussing that now, and have been for years? An Obama-ette on TV the other day suggested "Families don't have that conversation"
Ah, yes..to a liberal, families can't THINK..they must be TOLD by the government what to do. How sad.

Elmers Brother said...

(hint to any new people)

duhkkky's next move is usually a seque into something bad a Republican did

classic liberal move to change the subject

Elmers Brother said...

no offense to Matt BTW

dmarks said...

Ducky said: "If you think the country can avoid having this conversation then you ain't thinking. Pure and simple."

We just want to keep the voice of Dr. Kevorkian out of the conversation.

"Let the rest be frightened of the big bad commies"

The "bad bad commies" still have 1/5 of the world's population enslaved.

Z said...

Elbro, or he'll be hinting that someone on the Right is gay.......that's usually the next step long about now with Ducky....
The big open minded liberal who suddenly gets very touchy about gays if it's a Conservative...odd.

Z said...

dMarks....apparently, Ducky doesn't look at communism as enslavement, so it's fine with him!

Pat Jenkins said...

matt's confession may be the beginning of many more of his ilk i do believe....

dmarks said...

Z: The way communism was realized in Cambodia in the 1970s and the Ukraine in the 1930s, it's not so much slavery as it is outright death.

Z said...

good point, dmarks...

Pat..we can hope! We have a country to save.

We won't agree on everything, Dems and Reps, but we can agree that socialism isn't American.

Erics Eyes said...

You ave a great debate going on here Z, keep hanging in there you have my support and lots of others...

Ducky's here said...

just remember this is the same duhkkky who has reduced himself to accusing disabled veterans of being a drag on society

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Uh no, elmo, never even implied that.

You better get yourself checked out at the clinic. Might be a tertiary problem from something you picked up when you were in that cute little uniform hanging around on ship with all those big beefy sailors.

shoprat said...

Having read a bit of his blog he is a rarity. He is a common sense liberal and yes they do exist.

Elmers Brother said...

a quote from duhkkky:

Simply because some 18 year old enlists because its the quickest route to becoming a cop on some small town police force, 25 and out with a good pension and no heavy lifting DOES NOT mean that person is any less addicted to the Nanny state than your favorite targets.

duhkky the clear implication here is that you are comparing veterans to the dregs of society

Elmers Brother said...

you also seem to find it ironic that veterans would not want national healthcare because you mistakenly thought that care at the VA was free to the veteran

unlike the dregs of society veterans continue to pay for their healthcare even after they're out of the service, a means test is done at the VA and veterans pay a portion

Elmers Brother said...

that may vary depending on service connected injury and the percent of disability

Elmers Brother said...

active duty service members also have co-pays and deductibles for their dependents

I hope that soon you'll be ready to distinguish your rectum from your your humeroulnar joint

Anonymous said...

"We have our command and control in place already through A.C.O.R.N. the Panthers, and La Raza. These disciplined revolutionary brothers and sisters are ready to move at any time."

Ah, Ducky. So there it is. I do believe you have made a serious threat here. You have confirmed Obama's "civilian security force". How high up in this plot are you? Who are you? You seem very confident, and knowledgeable about their plans.

So tell us Ducky, just what are these groups tabbed to do?

I do appreciate your affirmation of what some of us suspected for some time now. I doubt militant groups like the Panthers, La Raza and it appears, ACORN, are "ready to move" as you put it, to ask politely to please comply with their requests!

So much for socialism being done differently in America. As if. Anyone who can think and see the big picture, knows, to accomplish the leftists goal they must be prepared to use thuggery and violence, and you have just confirmed it.

As I said, you have publicly made a threat on all Americans who resist this treasonous take over of our country.

Take heed everyone, this is no longer a civilized debate.

Pris

Z said...

Elbro, Ducky says "you were in that cute little uniform hanging around on ship with all those big beefy sailors."...proving my comment earlier:
"Elbro, or he'll be hinting that someone on the Right is gay.......that's usually the next step long about now with Ducky...."
Ducky...it's just silly.

Pris: I figured Ducky was into his dumb but typical 'scare the bedwetters' mode...but it is a threat ...mostly because those things really ARE happening, you make a good point.

Elmers Brother said...

duhkkky's idea of a good time is blasting disabled vets...how pathetic

Elmers Brother said...

Ah, Ducky. So there it is. I do believe you have made a serious threat here. You have confirmed Obama's "civilian security force". How high up in this plot are you? Who are you? You seem very confident, and knowledgeable about their plans

duhkkky's has no cajones for such a thing

Anonymous said...

Z, I think Ducky knows exactly what he's talking about.

Pris

beamish said...

If the argument against illegal immigration is that it is destroying our welfare system, I'm all for bringing them in by the truckload.

But the idea of destroying our welfare system warms my small government libertarian conservative heart. It's not an argument against illegal immigration that people opposed to socialism should present.

"Socialism for us and not non-citizens" was the left-wing rallying cry of labor activist Adolf Hitler.

dmarks said...

Well, most disabled vets were involved in fighting against the left-wing governments in Baghdad, Hanoi, and Pyongyang. Maybe this is why Ducky does not like them.

WomanHonorThyself said...

wow what a find Z!

Ducky's here said...

Now, now, elmo. I know that goes counter to your desire to portray yourself as a rugged individualist but its not saying you're a drain.

Just says that you aren't the savior of the nation and your motives are not different than others.

Anonymous said...

What possible harm could it do to take a month, another two months if need be or however long it takes, to discuss this whole "health insurance " overhaul aka crisis of the week adventure?

Anything this important needs to be looked at factually with imput from everyone, not a few ring masters parading around in DC.

And by gosh, it is my RIGHT to question these politicans.
THEY WORK FOR ME.

However, since things are as they are, they shall pay a price for going against the ones who pay their wages.


To state that working American citizens pay for health care of non citizens, here, illegally is the heighth of gall.

This scorched earth policy against the people who make this country work will not be forgotten.

Again, I say there is no sane honest reason to pass this monstrosity of a bill except it is about the WON's and Pelosi's and Co.'s personal agenda , and their cronies in certain industries.

So, they want to increase funding for the hospice care, oh, whoopeeeee.

Hey, everyone over 65-get out of the way.
How vile and evil Rham and his circle are.

WVDOTTR

A New York Guy's View said...

Way to go Matt!

Z said...

Ducky, knowing Elbro as some of us do, I'm absolutely sure he'd never suggest he's the 'savior of the nation'...His motives ARE different (I hope he chimes in here, he can very well speak for himself but I wanted to say something..)...they're different than YOURS, anyway;

Elbro stands for the constitution, Ducky.....he's anti-communism and anti-socialism. I would say that's a BIG difference between him and plenty of Americans today, including you.

WV! Be wary of that lovely "increasing hospice care"..it's for you and me when we reach 75 and, GOd forbid, get cancer and the leftwing government decides "you're just too old to fix...we have a great hospice program, though.."

FJ said...

Wanna know a secret, mr. ducky.

The main reason why health care costs are spiralling out of control is largely because the government keeps making more and more people eligible to collect benefits AND they keep expanding the types of benefits available (ie- prescription drugs).

And all Obamacare is, is ANOTHER in a long list of adding MORE people to the system AND expanding benefits.

Don't believe me? Look for yourself (around chart 6 or so).

It's like the cost of higher education in America. A university education wouldn't cost nearly what it does today if the government didn't keep throwing so much money at it, year after year. Grants and loans. An education costs what it does today largely because it can. And that's the way free markets work... the rent charged for land is based upon what people can pay (Adam Smith, WoN).

The Hermit said...

Maybe this guy and Ducky are one and the same? Kind of a Doctor Jekyl and Mr. Hyde type of situation. You think?

FJ said...

LOL! Jekyll & Hyde?

More like Themis and Nemesis.

Elmers Brother said...

Now, now, elmo. I know that goes counter to your desire to portray yourself as a rugged individualist but its not saying you're a drain.

Excuse me Mr. duhkkky, but the inference was those who don't work and want a free lunch ("your favorite targets and addicted to the nanny state) are no better than those who use VA/Military healthcare system

I've explained to you the difference, veterans and active duty military pay for a portion if not all of their healthcare if they wish

now just admit you were wrong

Elmers Brother said...

duhkkky I've never used the words "I deserve" or "I'm entitled" when it comes to my military benefits, they're only good as long as my employer decides to extend them to me

I take them neither for granted nor do I feel entitled

I am grateful and I have never ever demanded that I continue to receive those benefits

I pay for my own health insurance although I'm a disabled vet, I'm entitled to but will not apply for a separate stipend through the Navy (not the VA) for a combat related healthcare issue and you want to know why Mr. Duhkkky?

becaue I came home from Iraq with all my limbs, my mind and eyesight intact

if the country decides to take those benefits that I enjoy as a result of my 20+ years of service then so be it

I'm only an employee

Elmers Brother said...

so no duhkkky I don't believed I've saved the world and yes I am a rugged individualist

Bob said...

Thanks for this link Z... and Matt I'd be honored to follow your blog.

See that miracles can happen.

Maggie M. Thornton said...

In this country, we have never experienced the quest for power quite like we are seeing it today in the Obama administration.

I can understand that many had no idea that The One would be revealed to be what he is. We are fortunate that that revelation comes only a short 6 months into his presidency.

I appreciate Matt's commentary and I share his frustration. I keep saying it, these are dangerous times, and we need the Matts in America speaking out.

Leticia said...

This is fantastic! Finally, a liberal that gets it!

dmarks said...

Military benefits are not an entitlement or a handout. They are part of a deal made between the government and those who joined.

These benefits were part of the deal. Not a handout, a gift, or welfare.

Anonymous said...

"duhkkky's has no cajones for such a thing"

Elbro, I never said he does. Ducky likes shooting off his mouth, making threats. It's not the organizers who take the risks, it their drones that do.

But, when it comes to the heavy lifting, he'll be happy to sit on the sidelines and watch. Although, he's too stupid to realize he can get caught in the crossfire.

Pris

Bob said...

dmarks said...

Military benefits are not an entitlement or a handout. They are part of a deal made between the government and those who joined.

These benefits were part of the deal. Not a handout, a gift, or welfare.


Duh! Whats the difference?

dmarks said...

Bob: Are you saying that the benefits paid to an armed forces veteran as part of the agreement for the veteran to have signed up in the first place are a "gift" ??

No different from unearned handouts like welfare??

Z said...

Bob, isn't it like any job? You go to work for someone promising you'll hold up your end and they'll hold up theirs (healthcare, parking paid, whatever..)? It's part of the package, no gift, etc.??

Anonymous said...

Bob, I see those benefits as payment to our veterans from a grateful nation. They earn it and then some.

Pris

Elmers Brother said...

They're benefits from an employer. Any person taking a job considers the benefits vs the risks before taking the job. What duhkkky doesn't seem to get through his thick skull is the dregs of society do not have any end to hold up, in fact someone else (other taxpayers) are doing it for them.

Jen aka Pinky said...

Ducky,
why on earth would you make stupid comments like this one to ElBro?

"You better get yourself checked out at the clinic. Might be a tertiary problem from something you picked up when you were in that cute little uniform hanging around on ship with all those big beefy sailors."

I hate to even comment on it, but it pisses me off.

Why do you always go there?
You make it impossible to take you seriously when you do crap like that.
I feel sorry for you.
Now apologize to ElBro before I get mad.

:grrrrrrrrrr:

Z said...

Jen, Ducky can't RESIST bringing something gay up when we're arguing with him; did you see my post PREDICTING it, and he did it!

Jen aka Pinky said...

Odd, isn't it, Z?

I'm just taking a wild guess here, but I'm thinking that most sane people wouldn't describe a man in uniform as "cute".

ifyaknowwhatimean. ;-)

Oh, and Ducky, I forget...which branch of the military did you serve in?

Pamela D. Hart said...

Matt: good for you for actually thinking and not following like a zombie. My son's friend's mom is having buyer's remorse, too.

Z: Great blog! One question, is this Ducky for REAL?!

Bob said...

dmarks said...

Bob: Are you saying that the benefits paid to an armed forces veteran as part of the agreement for the veteran to have signed up in the first place are a "gift" ??

No different from unearned handouts like welfare??


NO, No, NO... Sorry, I misread your post.. I certainly do NOT think that!

SORRY again.

Bloviating Zeppelin said...

Great post, great thread. It's refreshing to see ANYone admit to any kind of perceived error and, further, admit so in public.

Courageous.

BZ

HoosierArmyMom said...

"I've explained to you the difference, veterans and active duty military pay for a portion if not all of their healthcare if they wish"

Elbro, in those cases, I'd say a Vet earned the benefit twice.

Duck brain, being an amazing coward like he is, would never go in harms way for anyone else. I don't expect him to. Pea brains and cowards only have one stance and that is the road he takes.

Matt, having been born and raised in a Democrat household... having been a card carrying member of the UAW, and having seen first hand that extremists have taken over the party, I very much identify with the points you make. Thank you for having the intellectual honesty to speak out about it.

Elmers Brother said...

Elbro, in those cases, I'd say a Vet earned the benefit twice.

duhkkky's analogy shows his ignorance.

Active duty members themselves normally have to be seen at a military treatment facility (MTF) but could just as well pay out of their pocket for a private doctor if they wish. They have more choices for their dependents. They can choose Tricare Prime, standard or choose to pay for a separate albeit probably expensive private health insurance.

After retiring you have the essentially the same choices.

If you're a veteran with a service connected disability you can choose to have the VA provide your healthcare as it relates to your disability. The VA gives a means test and the veteran (depending on whether being treated for service connected issue or not) will have to pay a portion of the bill. OR the veteran can use Tricare if retired or a private health insurer.

So you see the difference between military healthcare and socialized medicine is that military members still enjoy choices like the rest of the country and still pay like those who haven't served through private insurance.

Z said...

Pamela, welcome to GeeeZ! And thanks for the nice words..
As for Ducky? Oh, yes...you bet he's the real thing (imagine?)

Bob..I KNEW there was a misunderstanding..So not surprised because, you're a good guy.

BZ..glad you came to see it, I knew you'd like Matt's piece.

Elbro, do you think it could be handled better at the VA? Is the healthcare good? We have a large VA hospital not far away.
Could we apply that to civilian healthcare?

Elmers Brother said...

my father used the VA and had reasonable care but there are way to many horror stories.

My own medical records were stolen from a VA computer and recently a doctor who was treating prostate cancer patients was found to have been careless in the way he planted radioactive seeds in his patients and there were numerous VA patients who contracted hepatitis when the VA was found to have been using contaminated scopes for colonoscopies.

You know I'm a government employee and I see the waste, inefficiency, entitlement mentality...the whole nine socialistic yards and there is NO way I want any part of the government running our healthcare.

Especially considering the way they will treat the elderly and infirmed.

Our value will be determined by how much we can produce for the state.

Z said...

Thanks, Elbro...from one who knows the truth; That really helps..

I'm in full agreement.

Anonymous said...

Matt,
Obama's leftist policies remind us that we should beware of wolves in wolves' clothing.

Ducky,
A trillion dollar stimulus bill, a cap and trade bill, a push for universal health care, a SCOTUS nominee who defends affirmative action and judicial activism, and cuts to military spending and you feign surprise that Obama is portrayed as left-wing? Cute.

tio b

dmarks said...

Obama takes the left-wing line on most major issues. Just because he is not as far left as some want him to be, or emulating the policies of Pol Pot or Castro, does not mean he is not a leftist.

Z said...

tio, nobody's leftwinger enough for Ducky.
dMarks..good point.

BOY, what a mess we're in right now; and I just keep hoping the Republicans don't fold for pork.

Susannah said...

Thanks for posting this about Matt. He's a good guy. I'm impressed by his willingness to make assessments, recalculate & change his opinions as necessary.

Maybe people just needed to see what a disaster The One is. Let's just pray he & his Congress don't destroy our country in the intervening years!!