Sunday, September 13, 2009

Lies from YOU or Obama? (oh, and did you notice what the WH tried to sneak by you again?...down below?)

Let me start by saying that for an event the media didn't give as much coverage to as they did the Million Man March and MANY other Washington protests (all day on CNN, hours upon hours, remember? etc.), the Leftwinger White House spinners are sure TALKING about it. It might not be such a big deal to them, but I'm thinking over a million in DC and thousands across the country in other cities is something our media just might have covered. But, let's get down to business, shall we?~! Here goes........

David Axelrod WEIGHS IN....."I don't believe that some of the angriest, most strident voices we saw during the summer were representative of the thousands of town hall meetings that went on around the country that came off peacefully, that were constructive," he said.

Just a guess here, but I do believe the only town hall meetings not demanding clarification and truth were those at the end of August, where Democrats were making sure Democrats were filling the halls first. "...these two Democrats said supporters of the health care legislation were permitted entry before opponents, so they could filibuster the meeting and create the illusion of unqualified support for the bill." We've all heard about these meetings...there were few, but they happened.

We're seeing a bit too much of Saul Alinsky, School yard bullying (which Obama warned about to our school children last week in his speech), Obama's suggesting you are a LIAR when there is so much showing'someone else' is.

When CBS NEWS points out the many flaws in Obama's speech last week to the Congress, the many ways he's not quite as forthcoming as Mr. Axelrod and Mr. Gibbs would have you believe, you know there's trouble brewing. Personally? I don't think YOU are the liars, America. And I don't believe any of us should be subjected to a president who suggest you are.

From this ARTICLE : "Dr. Wayne Kawalek, an emergency-room physician from Cleveland, said he, too, was concerned about the consequences of the president's health care plan. "The Obama administration is going about this in the wrong way. This is a huge debacle. It's sad that we've come this far," he said." I couldn't agree with you more, Dr. Kawalek. Keep up the fight. You're not lying, you're warning. America needs that.

By the way, folks...("well whaddayaknow?")'re becoming more and more successful. Keep it up.
JUST REMEMBERED THIS: Remember when Van Jones 'resigned'? It was BREAKING NEWS at approx 11:45 on a Saturday night? Well, guess what else came over on Heidianne's iPhone when she was here at our house at approx 11:45 Saturday night, EST? THIS. Timing is everything when they're sneaking things by at this White House.



Anonymous said...

Unbelievable. The surrender monkey Left never fails to devise new ways to lose wars.

Anonymous said...

But speaking of the Liar in Chief... the man can't seem to keep the truth straight, he's got to take it over the top.

Z said...

They lies are getting more frequent and more sad, FJ.
Imagine if Obama OR Axelrod OR Gibbs showed the remotest shred of dignity and class...Priscilla emailed me earlier...she suggested what I've often thought and suggested, too (all of us would, I think?)'s about their saying ...
"Look, this has got out of hand...we DO believe Americans need better coverage and we believe in our plan but it's quite clear all Americans don't...quite a few don't...and we want Americans to know , and we'll prove it, that we are going to have fifty percent Republicans and fifty percent Democrats at the table and they're not going to be the squishy ones...the Republicans who hate our ideas are welcome, the Democrats veering to the Right are welcome. We have to admit we have not been as bipartisan as we'd wished (Heck, blame Pelosi or Reid, YOU CAN DO IT, can probably even find a way to BLAME BUSH again, right?) and we're turning over a new leaf. We criticized Bush unmercifully for never talking about his weaknesses and we don't want to be that this is a NEW DAY IN AMERICA....AND, as people in Germany and other European countries do when there's this far reaching a plan, this big a change, we're going to GO SLOW and GET IT RIGHT"


Anonymous said...

Axelrod is beginning to remind me of Baghdad Bob;

"Just Ignore the million people out there, they're just a fringe group of unhappy tourists"!

Right. The President said in his speech, "people who disagree, will be called out". Nice. Is this is a President or a dictator? You get one guess!

What a way to make friends and influence people. Millions of 'em. Called out?

Ok, I'll do the calling tomorrow, and save him the trouble. I'm calling Senators Grassley, Enzi and Snowe tomorrow. I suggest you all do the same.
All three republicans who I understand may compromise. Let's keep the pressure on.

Here's why;

"Snowe said a better bet for now" as the means for injecting competition" are nonprofit insurance cooperatives, designed to compete with private industry and give consumers more choices."

First of all, who funds the non-profit co-op? Guess.

Secondly, how can the private insurance industry with added government regulations btw, compete with that? It can't.

Enter the back door to government insured healthcare. Which is government healthcare.

It's all smoke and mirrors, and against the will of the people. Of course we're too stupid to see through it. Just ask Bill "Playboy" Maher.

The federal govt. is responsible for regulating commerce. They could deregulate the existing prohibition on interstate insurance businesses, and allow the free market to reign. That competition would ultimately lower prices. But, that's not going to happen.

Secondly, they could pass tort reform. That ain't happenin' either.

Those now in power, want total control over the people. They don't care about our health. In this case, just ask our veterans. Read their end of life counseling booklet.

It's about power pure and simple.

Z - No kidding! Of course we both know we don't dream pleasant dreams these days. Also, this dictatorial White House is too combative to do the smart political thing. They really believe they shouldn't be questioned, or they really are that stupid. Actually, it's both.


Z said...

"I've been loath to admit that the shrieking lunacy of the summer ... had much to do with race," she wrote. "But Wilson's shocking disrespect for the office of the president -- no Democrat ever shouted 'liar' at W. when he was hawking a fake case for war in Iraq -- convinced me: Some people just can't believe a black man is president and will never accept it."

Maureen Dowd.

No Democrat ever shouted at that 'majestic' room as she added. um....gee, it's so good to hear a leftwinger remind us how civil they were to Bush, isn't it?

Anonymous said...

To your second report at the end of your post.

"U.S. Gives New Rights To Afghan Prisoners".

This latest revelation coupled with the military's newest rules of engagement, (extra care regarding collateral damage), is a double whammy ensuring more American deaths in Afghanistan.

America under this CIC, is opting for less risk for Afghanies over a higher risk for our own Americans, who he charged with this mission.

Holder is trying to reinstate
miranda rights for the enemy. Why not just wave the white flag and get it over with?

But of course why care any more for our fighting Americans than those of us here at home? This must be that "more nuanced" war John Kerry talked about.

This is a crime. It's a sham, and it's costing more of our brave young men's lives. How are they able to interrogate prisoners as to ambushes, and IED traps? This sickens me. How much more insanity do we have to tolerate?


Anonymous said...

"No Democrat ever shouted at that 'majestic' room as she added. um....gee, it's so good to hear a leftwinger remind us how civil they were to Bush, isn't it?"

Right. The democrats just had pre-orchestrated groans and boos. And in one case I remember, against Reagan during a State of the Union address, inappropriate laughter. The only thing missing was a conductor.

Reagan responded, "I said something funny?"

Yes we all know how, after a "W" speech, Reid called him a liar and a loser.

Paragons of virtue those democrats huh? Now they'll waste time humiliating Wilson, which of course they have down to a science.

Writing a coherent bill, however, is beyond their capability. They can't respond to questions about their own bills.

They are the single largest kindergarten in the country.


beakerkin said...

The momentum has shifted and it looks like health care will be scaled back. I do not expect Obama to go aanywhere near immigration until he is a lame duck.

Law and Order Teacher said...

I remember months ago posting that it was time for another Hartford Convention (1815-16) and getting some replies that we needed to be careful about possibly touching off a constitutional convention.

I think if that were to occur the states would probably amend the constitution to prohibit profligate government spending. The people have finally awakened and the congress is sufficiently scared of losing their jobs that they will act on the desires of their constituents, provided of course, we keep the pressure on. The congress is like a puppie, you need to correct them immediately when they mess up, otherwise they forget.

As Locke said, the government exists only to protect the rights of the people. My ninth graders are getting a dose of the Enlightenment thinkers, John Locke foremost among them.

His ideas abound in the Declaration, most notably in the second section which is the most eloquent narration on Western democracy ever written.

In part it reads that if the government fails to protect the rights of the people, they may "alter or abolish it." "We are endowed by our creator with certain unalienable rights, among these is life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

I think the people are speaking, loudly and clearly.

I've been otherwise occupied lately. Now I'm back. Sorry.

shoprat said...

What is happening right now is impossible according to some leftists' dogma. So it can't be happening.

FrogBurger said...

They can keep pushing the button and they'll see what happens. True revolutions start exactly like this. Movements grow, are ignored then explode in the face of the powerful.

FrogBurger said...

Law and Order, I agree. The tea party movement should push for constitution modifications on spending and also on reinforcing the power of the states.

Other things they talked about at the Thu events was to file lawsuits against all those bills. It's not easy especially when the bills mention that no citizen can file one against government. But even that should be the subject of a constitutional amendment saying no bill could contain such a clause.

Average American said...

I am beginning to see a bloodbath at the polls next year that could possibly bring on a movement to impeach the imposter of 1600 Pennslyvania Avenue. The only thing that might save him and many in congress will be if they smarten up concerning health scare. I also see cap and trade as a close to non issue because of what we average Americans are doing. Can you even imagine what would happen to any of those jokers if they even dare to try to pass that piece of crap?

JINGOIST said...

This guy seems to be taking lessons from Clinton when it comes to veracity.

Mark said...

Z, When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation:

1. Obama is trying to overthrow and Socialize America.

2. Obama is giving aid and comfort to our enemies.

3 Obama is violating the Constitution by bypassing the Congress in his creation of unaccountable "czars".

We need to separate our beloved country from this rogue government in the same way in which our forefathers separated from England.

First, declare our independence.

Then, revolt, peacefully if possible, by asking Obama, politely, to step down. If that doesn't work, impeachment proceedings should be initiated.

If that doesn't work, we must arm ourselves and be ready to shed blood. We must take our country back from this narcissistic despot.

If not now, when? If not us, Who?

Ducky's here said...

What will prove to be the saddest outcome of all this is that we will be no further along to any kind of cost containment and Americans will still not understand that we have more "single payer" in America than many European nations including the dreaded France.

Just a lot of rubes shouting and we get nowhere. The level of ignorance is frightening and sad.

Ducky's here said...

The momentum has shifted and it looks like health care will be scaled back.


Only The Beak could applaud this.

FrogBurger said...

"Just a lot of rubes shouting and we get nowhere. The level of ignorance is frightening and sad."

Indeed Puky Ducky, including yours.

The cost issue is not one actually. It's only used to manipulate peak brains such as yours. Here's why:
- A lot more disposable income in the US
- More preventive care
- Doctors and nurses paid a lot better than France for example
- More advanced science
- More R&D
- Drug makers making profit in the US to compensate the set prices of medications in other countries

How do you explain France is not able to control costs despite paying nurses 1200-2000 a month? Or setting fixed prices for doctor visits? Or medications?

Your ignorance is abysmal indeed.

I Want To Set It Straight said...

wouldn't it be wonderful if Wilson, being forced to apologize on the house floor, began his speech with, "I apologize if anyone was offended by my clear, concise, and accurate analysis of the president's speech. I am sorry that he is a liar. I regret my mistake in apologizing to him after the speech...

Ducky's here said...

- A lot more disposable income in the US

Why does disposable income matter? The issue here is who pays and in America the government frequently pays because a lot of people don't have the disposable income to finance health insurers.

- More preventive care

Are you insane?

- Doctors and nurses paid a lot better than France for example

Why is that relevant?

- More advanced science

Than whom? The Japanese, Swedes, Brits? Seems it's all pretty much the same.

- More R&D

Maybe, and lot of it is government funded.

- Drug makers making profit in the US to compensate the set prices of medications in other countries

Actually drug makers spend the money on advertising to get you to go to your doctor who is getting kickbacks and request a non-generic.

Z said...

Man, Ducky, I knew we didn't agree on much but I had thought you were somewhat informed. This last comment is so wrong it's not worth discussing.

FrogBurger said...

Let me respond to Ducky's idiocy. He's digging himself a nice hole.

"Why does disposable income matter?"

It matters because if you have more, you spend more. That includes myself. I go to the dermatologist, the dentist, the massage therapist, the chiropractor, etc...

- More preventive care
"Are you insane?"

Can't do better? I'm telling you. Not a lot of French people get a colonoscopy for example. My dad never had one and he's 60. Not a lot of men get their prostate checked. Nothing of this is advertised.

You're a moron on this one.

- Doctors and nurses paid a lot better than France for example
"Why is that relevant?"

Are you stupid? It's relevant because if nurses and doctors were paid according to market standards for their knowledge, study and value to society, cost would increase. If you get a salary increase, the cost for your company increase.

A perfect idiot.

- More advanced science
"Than whom? The Japanese, Swedes, Brits? Seems it's all pretty much the same."

Than the French for example. Science budget in France are abysmal. Great scientists come to the US b/c they get paid and they have the funding. Dr Montagnier went to UCLA.

- More R&D
"Maybe, and lot of it is government funded."
Right in the US. Not in Europe where the welfare state is so costly they have to cut R&D and research subsidies.

- Drug makers making profit in the US to compensate the set prices of medications in other countries
"Actually drug makers spend the money on advertising to get you to go to your doctor who is getting kickbacks and request a non-generic."

They do spend money on advertising but what you're saying doesn't address my point. You're changing the topic because of your ignorance.
Medication prices are set in Canada, France and I believe in Germany and other countries. So to make the profit necessary to keep R&D going they increase prices here. And they do have to advertise to make sales and keep the return on investment. It's a catch 22.

Your idiocy is more than abysmal. It's pathological.

Z said...

To say nothing of doctors and nurses getting out of the field for lack of funding for the research they were educated for ...or doing something other than medicine because their salaries are humiliating.

But, I know, even our president of these United States now disdains PROFIT. It drips from every word he and his thugs say.

PROFIT IS EVIL in America, folks..this is the new frontier, where they tell your children "DO WELL! GO TO SCHOOL! BE A SUCCESS!" but don't tell them they'll be redistributing your income to that kid who didn't DO WELL, GO TO SCHOOL nor be a SUCCESS!

cube said...

Sometimes it feels as though I'm facing a mountain with only a spoon to chip away at it.

There are days when this is disheartening, but there are days when I see millions of people have their spoons at the ready to start the business of cutting through this idiot mountain that faces us.

The tea party crowds make me think that today is a good day.

Z said...

Cube, I feel the same way, but then I see how the media treated so many people.

See the difference between the Tea Party million and the million man march that never was a million?

This obfuscation, lying, mischaracterizing the Right is breathtaking...very sad and dishonest and is hurting America badly. John King on CNN held up one distasteful sign and THAT'S THAT..!! HE got his message across!
They did a Walter Cronkite moment all weekend inferring we should leave Afghanistan because the conditions are so bad. Anderson Cooper actually said "For those Americans who think the soldiers here are in comfortable bases with good restaurants to choose from, you'd better think again".

DID YOU think that? Are THEY complaining? Cronkite lives.

FrogBurger said...

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Ducky's here said...

- More preventive care
"Are you insane?"

Can't do better? I'm telling you. Not a lot of French people get a colonoscopy for example. My dad never had one and he's 60. Not a lot of men get their prostate checked. Nothing of this is advertised.


Let me know why the American infant mortality rate is so poor, worse than Cuba's.

Must be the great preventative care, right?

You are telling me that the French aren't aware that they should get their prostate checked? Sounds like any low income neighborhood in America.

Still, if our preventative care is so superior here, why is our life expectancy shorter?

FrogBurger said...

Do "infants" get preventive care, Ducky?

The US mortality rate minus crime and car accidents, therefore measuring the "health state" of the nation, is actually one of the top in the world.

Why are cancer treatment success rates higher in the US?

Also the mortality rate is also an indicator of diet and health practices, not just medical care.
When you have one third of the population that is obese, it's easy to understand that the mortality rate may very well be due to the life style.

If you want to use stats, use them thoroughly and drill down.

FrogBurger said...

And about Cuba vs. US, not sure you're right. Just looked at stats on the wikipedia and found this

It's not the best source so if you have another one, let me know.

At least we have TP ;-)

FrogBurger said...

I look at those stats and knowing we have so many guns, so many obese people who don't exercise, I find the stats fairly remarkable.

We can live a relatively long life in a free country.

I'll take that over a longer life in a prison.

Ducky's here said...

Also the mortality rate is also an indicator of diet and health practices, not just medical care.


Well duh, bobo, aren't we talking about preventative care.

Or don't you include diet and "health practices"?

Ducky's here said...

The US mortality rate minus crime and car accidents


Well, our automobile death rate is lower than France's and our life span is also lower. I don't think the crime rate makes up the difference.

Ducky's here said...

and if you want to include crime, Froggy, that overwhelmingly reflects the male life expectancy.

The female life expectancy in America is still lower than quite a few other countries.

Must be our solid preventative care.

FrogBurger said...

Interesting read on those stats (crimes, accidents, life expectancy)

FrogBurger said...

Also something to always take into account in economic and demographics study: the way a country gathers the stats.

We certainly have a lot more transparency in the US or any Western countries than countries like Cuba or China.

Anonymous said...

And they had the temerity, audacity and ignorance to call GW Bush...a "chimp". ( look at my avatar for a real chimp ) Remember that? Remember the cartoons with all the big pointed ears. Remember the Boos and catcalls at his State of the Union address? Remember the total disrespect for the OFFICE and the MAN for 8 frigging years? Remember the disrespect for our troops? Remember calling them murderers, nazi's, rapists and every sort of vile sh!t they could call our defenders? And remember it was Harry scum sucking bottom feeding, shuck and jive casino bribing, real estate cheating Reid... AND A "FORMER" MARINE...MURTHA...the oinking, thieving pig! Who stole 100,000,000 of our money to "renovate" the Johnstown airport that sees 20 passengers a day? So...that the city could name it after him.

Don't get me started on that sh!t for brains Pelousy. I thought the CIA would put a well know what I mean. too good...Guantanamo is where they should be...traitors and scabs and murderers...they are.

I guess I'm pissed. Let's all move to Texas...that's where the coming action against the commie states of america will be.

MK said...

"Obama's suggesting you are a LIAR when there is so much showing'someone else' is."

Don't give him any breaks, call him what he is and as often as possible. Leftists are like that, if you want them to do the right thing, you have to shame them into doing it. Best if you don't need them or give them any power, but that boat has already sailed.