Wednesday, January 27, 2010

Chemical Ali wasn't really SUCH a bad guy??

Chemical Ali was buried today.
Agence France Presse has THIS ARTICLE, three-quarters of which pretty much has his home town pals saying what a good guy and that "He was one of Ouja's most remarkable men," said Abu Shehab, a 45-year-old man who insisted that Ali Hassan al-Majid, better known by his macabre nickname, had been hanged to appease Iran and the United States.

The article then goes on to say "Probably the most notorious of these was the gassing of around 5,000 Kurds in the northern town of Halabja in March 1988, for which he received his fourth death sentence earlier this month." Um. Maybe he was responsible for 5,000 in Halabja, but Agence France Presse forgot to mention that many think Chemical Ali was responsible for the death of 300,000 Kurds. HERE is another article saying 180,000 Kurds were killed. And, of course, there's this: "His crimes, however, did not dilute the adulation of Saddam and Majid loyalists in Ouja, where both men were born in poverty before the fall of the Iraqi monarchy and bloodletting in later years took them to power." Ah, they were poor.......can ya BLAME them for killing thousands of people? :-)

And, of course, Yahoo carries the article and people read it and believe it, and you'd have thought facts might be just a tad more important than downplaying a murdering Iraqi's past. Just a thought, Yahoo. I'm talking INFERENCE here....see the inferences? But, of course, there's finally this: "Aras Abed, vice president of the association of Halabja victims who lost 12 family members, said he was "swimming in happiness." That's the verrrrry last line in the piece, if you read that far.


Ducky's here said...

So someone writes a story that includes an indication of tribal loyalties. Should we pretend they don't exist?

That's the reason we screwed the pooch initially in Iraq. We couldn't tell the players without a scorecard and the American military didn't have one.

Yeah, stay ignorant. Hell of a gameplan, z.

Z said...

read the post, ducky, another hell of a gameplan.

Elmers Brother said...

the king of spades is dead

you never saw those deck of cards duhkkky?

Ducky's here said...

Yeah, elmo, you have purged the world of its evil.

The Iraqis are now happy and free which is why we are still there, why the bombings continue and why there is still going to be a hell of a fight over Kirkuk.

The deck of cards, right. The infrastructure is crap, the professional class has left the country, ethnic cleansing has taken place and everything is just swell.

The oil deals have been made with the west but I just don't see what they have gained and why we are still there.

Anyway, nothing good happens in the world without the American military, right elmo? Bore me later.

Ducky's here said...

I read it ,z. You once again claim to have this mysterious access to the facts.

Do you have access to the facts that more Kurds have been killed by fellow Kurds than by outsiders?

As I said, ignorance of the complexity of that region is a poor gameplan.

Brooke said...

Ducky's brain tuned out the moment the facts did not match his leftist, terrorist appeasing agenda.

Z said...

"Regarding the Halabjah incident where Iraqi soldiers were reported to have gassed their own Kurdish citizens, the USAWC investigators observed: "It appears that in seeking to punish Iraq, Congress was influenced by another incident that occurred five months earlier in another Iraq-Kurdish city, Halabjah. In March 1988, the Kurds at Halabjah were bombarded with chemical weapons, producing many deaths. Photographs of the Kurdish victims were widely disseminated in the international media. Iraq was blamed for the Halabjah attack even though it was subsequently brought out that Iran too had used chemical weapons in this operation, and it seemed likely that it was the Iranian bombardment that had actually killed the Kurds."
Thanks, Ducky....WARNING: facts again, don't read them.

Z said...

Elbro, that's a list of Ducky's heroes.

Brooke..exactly right.

Ducky, again, we are all SO SORRY that this war didn't go as you'd have liked; The Bush administration wasn't thrilled with it, either...that our intel was stupid enough not to realize Iraqi tribes were still so much in place and would rise up again once Saddam wasn't beating them into submission was WRONG and something we should have been aware of.

But, then, of course, this is the same intel who couldn't convince our SO OVERPOWERING and ALL KNOWING media to at least give heed to the possibility that that WMD that just might have been shipped to Syria or buried in the sands with the jet planes my own husband had seen buried in earlier wars. Odd that HE knew where Iraq kept their jets and our intel didn't, isn't it?

Blame's easier for the uncomplicated mind. Sort of like how global change critics aren't even invited to global change conferences: the Left decides, the media follows and Americans MUST ACCEPT. Talk about damning to a once great free country.
But, of course, you don't even believe in American exceptionalism so it's hardly worth discussing any of this, is it'.

Elmers Brother said...

it's a start dipstick

Elmers Brother said...

duhkkky's logic goes something like this:

In order to bring about the socialist paradise embodied in the phrase, "From each according to ability, to each according to need," we must not only apply this principle to the productive and unproductive in society, but also extend it to the anti-productive, i.e., the criminal.

Elmers Brother said...

tapping foot waiting for duhkkky to declare:

one man's criminal is another man's patriot

Anonymous said...

I hope Chemical Ali was buried face down so he could see where he was going! Good riddance.

This wasn't about tribal loyalties, this was about killing for the sake of killing. Because they could, and the man that gave the order, is finally dead.

That chapter is now closed.