Friday, January 15, 2010

If you know ANY voter in Massachusetts...............

UPDATE of 11:44 AM PST: OBAMA IS GOING TO MASSACHUSETTS TO CAMPAIGN FOR COAKLEY. You go ahead, Mr Obama...reach out to the ones who love you, the ones who wouldn't vote for a Republican if their health care depended on it. oops. :0-)

.........PLEASE remind them the Republican's ahead today and there aren't many days to go.
From the link:

"(the recent poll) signaled a possible death knell for the 60-vote Democratic supermajority the president has been relying upon to stop Republican filibusters in the Senate and pass not only his health care overhaul, but the rest of his legislative agenda heading into this fall's mid-term elections.

Brown has pledged to vote against the health care bill, and his election would give Senate Republicans the 41st vote they need to sustain a filibuster."

CALL or EMAIL all those you know in that State...tell your Massachusetts Conservative friends, or those liberals who (as I've been hearing more and more and more) do NOT want this health bill as it's shaping up, to VOTE FOR SCOTT BROWN. Please get busy! Thanks.
z

53 comments:

Ducky's here said...

I'll probably still vote for him although he committed a real nasty faux pas by appearing today with that pig Rudy Giuliani.

They met for espresso and cannoli at the Cafe Vittoria in the North End. Just brings up all kinds of bad feelings. I had a serious breakup there back in the day that almost got me tagged on a public disturbance beef.

Bad mojo.

shoprat said...

Ducky a public disturbance? NOOOO!

I used to a date a girl from the Bay State but I haven't talked to her in years. I don't even know if she lives there anymore.

Z said...

Ducky, why are you going to vote for him?

Joe said...

Thanks for the reminder. Turns out I do know a few people in Mass.

Ducky's here said...

z, because I despise the Obama administration. Now, unlike any of your posters, it's because it is a stealth conservative administration.

I don't want Democratic Leadership Council corporatists running around and pretending they are progressives. And yes, if Brown wins, his presidency is finished.

Fine let a real progressive movement form and hope it can be done before the far right completely destroys the country.
Some of you folks think you have a shaky economy now? Let's give you a few years of "tinkle down" economics and maybe the dolts will finally figure out it ain't good for them.

There is nothing progressive about this administration. The health bill is nothing but a giveaway big pharma and the insurers. It also cheats and mandates shifting medicaid expenses to the states, unless you are Nebraska of course.

I used to vote Dem (remember, I am a LEFTIST, not a liberal) because I thought there was some sanity there. My attitude was, "If you right wingers want to shoot the country don't ask me for the bullets". Now, let her go down, I'm happy to send this to the bottom so we can try to rebuild something better.

heidianne jackson said...

so, ducky, do you believe in the constitution as WRITTEN or do you think it needs some tweaking in your effort of building "something better"?

heidianne jackson said...

oops - forgot to tag it to notify me.

Z said...

Ducky, if we spoke in person some day, I think you'd be surprised to hear some of my opinions....you say "Now, let her go down, I'm happy to send this to the bottom so we can try to rebuild something better."

I feel the same way only I believe in America's small businesses and giving them tax breaks and building them up so the middle class can thrive would be a good thing...And I believe we need to encourage good schooling so people can get ahead and HIRE THOSE who don't have it in them to be business owners for whatever reason.

I am starting to think Capitalism does not work without ....I'm trying to think of just the right word but have trouble here....kindness? Goodness? Fairness?

And, I believe that leftists will never succeed because they somehow negate the HUMAN SPIRIT's DESIRE to be proud of itself and succeed, even if it means thinking selfishly "Others didn't do that, but I DID"...
This is why communism doesn't work without TOTAL DICTATORSHIP and socialism doesn't work, either...ever.

What DO you think of our constitution, Ducky.

And, let's try to TALK, not AT each other, but TO each other and others here like Heidianne....she asks an excellent question and we're not laughing at what you said, we're not insulting what you said.
For once, let's try to REALLY discuss this.

We're more open than you think. I hope you are, too

heidianne jackson said...

z, please don't tell me you think that capitalism is what's wrong with things these days? we haven't had a capitalist system at least since the early 20th century. true capitalism is the fairest, most kind system of all because EVERYONE has an equal opportunity to succeed.

WomanHonorThyself said...

thanks for the heads up Z.have a great weekend my friend!:)

Ducky's here said...

Heidianne, I believe that far right wing Libertarian loony tunes who talk about the Constitution and think the tenth amendment is the alpha and omega are an excellent example of why they will destroy the country.

Ducky's here said...

... yeah Heidianne let's go back to the days of the robber barons.

You don't seem to understand why Libertarians are held in such low regard. Libertarianism has never worked.

Z said...

Ducky, why can't you answer Heidianne?

Heidianne...I didn’t say WRONG I said DOESN’T WORK. “fairest, kindest”, you’re right............but when the PEOPLE aren’t being KIND and Fair, Heidianne, you exactly make my point.

We haven't had real Capitalism in some years now, as you well know, and I believe that it’s having taken GOD out of our lives in a societal way that’s created this problem. The intelligent, successful employers have gone haywire; no one can deny our corporations are a bit out of hand....as much as I applaud ANYBODY who can rake in millions and millions in a year, we don’t pay that kind of money to doctors who cure grave illnesses!! I'd rather give the man who cures people of Amyloidosis 10 million a year than a paper pusher in a swanky office. And we give it to sports stars. Now, that's all FINE, but there’s something unbalanced......those corporate rich people give in philanthropy but it’s not seen by most people......

and some do not

How can you have great, smart successful people hiring and employing, etc., and not have them at least CARING about their employees?

We need to have goodness.

Z said...

Ducky, it's my belief that libertarianism is what this country was founded upon. Our founders celebrated liberty more than anything else... etc...the frontier, the growth of this great country and our liberties: DO ALL YOU CAN DO TO SURVIVE. MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS. BE FREE......

having said that, clumsily but quickly as I need to get out of here for a couple of hours, the scariest thing I can think of in this vain is a libertarian socialist.

Ducky's here said...

Well there you are, z. He's going to risk it.

Brown wins and his presidency is over. Absolutely over.

Anonymous said...

"Fine let a real progressive movement form"

Ducky, as I see it, there is no "progressive" movement. It's an illusory term devised to sell a more insidious form of government which is decidely regressive.

It is, simply stated, a throwback to a central power which governs all we as a people are allowed to do, know, or accomplish.

It limits everything according to the government's needs to remain in charge, and wields an iron hand over the population.

This can be said about every monarchy, or dictatorship, that ever existed. That's why it's regressive. This is as old and tried as any oppressive rule you can think of. Tyranny is tyranny by any name you want to call it.

There is no "real progressive" movement. There is a real marxist, or fascist movement (take your pick) which is a tried and failed endeavor, as regressive as you can get.

Pris

Ducky's here said...

That's right Pris Obama's a socialist! Marxist! Communist! Existentialist! Maoist! etc., etc. He was planted here at birth by the Soviets and he wasn't even born here he was born in, um, outer space in a rocket ship piloted by, ah, ah, Stalin! Yeah, Stalin and Chairman Mao was there too, and Trotsky and Lenin and, ah, and the underwear bomber was there too and they planned the whole thing! All of them together! they did, they planned it. Obama was speaking Russian and the Arabic, yeah, Arabic and Mandarin and he was for the great Leap Forward. What? What do you mean it's crazy? It's absolutely true and liberals who don't know it are naive.

Ducky's here said...

... but don't worry, pris. I have skills you can only imagine.

I just loaded a Scott Brown endorsement into Obama's teleprompter.

Don't get Ducky angry, Barrack.

Anonymous said...

Well Ducky so much for intelligent debate. I see you're on the edge, and far be it from me to give you that last push.

I do question your ability to consider basing your vote on "a bad mojo", from a past experience having nothing to do with Scott Brown, but then I see you're in a fragile state of mind.

If you expected me to be defensive, don't hold your breath.


"I just loaded a Scott Brown endorsement into Obama's teleprompter."

I will give you this much, this is funny, and for you, that's a real accomplishment!

Pris

Steve Harkonnen said...

Z?

Your thread actually did something positive - I phoned Gary who lives in MASS, and when I told him about this, he said THANKS FOR REMINDING ME and he's now going to vote for Brown. He nearly forgot. He's registered to vote already.

ah. The Butterfly Effect.

Anonymous said...

I know SEVERAL eligible voters who live in Assachusetts, but unfortunately every one of them is a rabid, foaming-at-the-mouth, doctrinaire, dyed-in-the-wool, glowing hot, fire-engine RED.

That doesn't mean I don't love them, but any rational discussion of political issues is ABSOLUTELY impossible. They go ballistic at the very MENTION of the word Republican. It's purely reflexive -- there's been no THOUGHT behind any of their political posturing for decades -- if ever.

They'd rather vote for Teddy's CORPSE than a living breathing member of the opposition. Even Bill Weld and Mitt Romney -- both Rockefeller-style, statist Pubbies -- as were both the Bushes -- were far too "right wing" for these folks.

If God, Himself, descended from roseate clouds on a golden ladder after a clap of thunder and spoke, accompanied by a choir of seraphim and cherubim, in favor anything conservative these people would still say, "Not on your life, Bub."

They've been INDOCTRINATED, see?

Scott Brown looks like the political Savior we've all been waiting for, but before it's all over "they" will pin charges of child molestation or a gay affair on him and "THEY" will make it STICK, because they are ruthless, unprincipled fiends who will stop at nothing to gain and hold dictatorial power.

~ FreeThinke

Pasadena Closet Conservative said...

I wish I knew voters in Massachusetts. Perhaps if I should very loudly that state's voters will hear:

WAKE UP, MASSACHUSETTS! "CAMELOT" WAS NOTHING BUT A NOTION. THINK OF YOUR CHILDREN'S FUTURE FOR A CHANGE!

Freedomnow said...

Coakley represents the degenerative aspects of the Democratic Party's oligarchy.

The American people are tired of the nepotism that goes on in politics.

Brown's election would be a democratic stimulus!!!!!!!!!!!

Z said...

Freedomnow..you said "Brown's election would be a democratic stimulus!!!!!!!!!!!" could you explain that? (glad to see you, by the way)

DUCKY...I got in the car earlier and was right behind a car on the street who's license plate holder said DUCKY at the top and something silly under the license (actually, I forgot that part)
I like the line about the teleprompter too.

Pris...a sense of humor in DUCKY!?

STEVE HARKONNEN..that pleases me NO END. I feel like I GOT A VOTE IN THIS MASS. ELECTION >..thanks!

FT...I can't even HAVE friends who are very leftwing; they're so anathema to everything I believe about America and so, in my opinion, so extremely dangerous to the constitution and to our children; you're a more patient sort than I must be!

Elmers Brother said...

I used to vote Dem (remember, I am a LEFTIST, not a liberal) because I thought there was some sanity there. My attitude was, "If you right wingers want to shoot the country don't ask me for the bullets". Now, let her go down, I'm happy to send this to the bottom so we can try to rebuild something better.

Yes let's remind everyone that duhkkky makes Obama look like a Reagan conservative.

David Wyatt said...

I'm so glad Obama's going! That ought to seal it for Mr. Brown!

Anonymous said...

My view of the free market is that it is the system that best allows us to allocate our resources/money to the things we value most.

The fact that athletes make more money than doctors reflects the fact that we, as a whole, value athletes more. The doctors' relatively low wages in a free market society is not evidence that we don't reward what we value. I believe it's evidence that we don't value what we know to be good. Christians see this as man's fallen nature.

It is tempting to legislate what we know we should value--tip the scales in favor of what we know is morally good so that our fallen nature can't over-ride it. The problems are 1) Those writing and carrying out the laws are of the same fallen ilk. Only now they have more power over other people's lives. 2) Those governed by these laws are still of the fallen nature. They will modify their behavior to tip the scales for what they really value and against what has been legislated as good.

Z said capitalism doesn't work without kindness, goodness, etc. I think she meant that it doesn't bring about a virtuous society, and I would agree. For reasons stated in above paragraph, I don't think curbing the free market will bring about a more virtuous society.

I believe the free market system to be the most desirable economic system, but not the solution to creating moral society. That is a task much more difficult than passing proper legislation. It is the task of conforming our personal values to the moral standard and doing so with the conviction that would convince those around us to do the same.

This message has been influenced by the book I've been reading, Chuck Colson's The Body. Z, is it about time for another "whatch reading?" posts?

tio

The Vegas Art Guy said...

I have two words why the GOP is going to lose. Al Frankin.

It will be close but once all the votes are 'counted', the dems will keep the seat.

Don't say I didn't warn you.

Truth said...

Z,

Don't you think it's time to have some fun and let your readers know who you really are?

Come on, we know each other, let's roll.....

HINT: I was born at St. Johns and grew up in Mandeville Canyon, all my life. Went to USC and doing quite well in entertainment.

Z said...

Vegas Guy...I'm afraid of that..lots of people I know are. They could steal this one, too. Very easily.
I'm hoping the margin's so big it'll be impossible. Let's see if they'll count military votes overseas this time...probably will come up for some reason they couldn't, right?
Very tough for America...who'd have thought we would need people from foreign countries to observe that OUR elections are legal?

Freedomnow said...

Z,

You asked me to explain my statement, "Brown's election would be a democratic stimulus!!!" ...

First of all, the use of "stimulus" is used as a contrast to the anti-democratic manipulation of Obama's stimulus that was used to enrich his party members and supporters. It is classic Socialism.

Secondly, Brown's election would stimulate real democracy in a voter's district that has been under the control of the Kennedy family since 1953. The sense of entitlement by arrogant blue-blooded democrats needs to be challenged.

They feel that the seat should be Coakley's because she would use it in a manner that would honor Ted Kennedy's wishes. Perhaps if they had worried about what Mary Jo Kopechne would want, I would have found that to be more agreeable.

As Brown stated, "it's not the Kennedys' seat, and it's not the Democrats' seat, it's the people's seat". Nuff said…

Anonymous said...

Interesting that the right wing blog hostess and a decidedly left wing poster, Ducky, both agree that President Obama isn't all he pretended to be. Does this imply that whichever candidate or party is elected that not much changes? GWB had many critics who considered him to be a "compassionate conservative" (i.e. a "progressive") and today Obama has critics who consider a "capitalist roader" ... Yikes!

Something is rotten in the state and it isn't Denmark this time. Is there any chance there is what JFK called a "Shadow Government" operating and really decide who runs and wins and no matter who wins the course is decided by the power behind the throne? Better not tell Rush Limbaugh about this "conspiracy theory" he'll call you "kooky" ...

Waylon

Z said...

Waylon, I started thinking this a few years ago but hate to discuss it...you get called some weird things;
When Sarah Palin energized McCain's campaign as much as she did and then the mcCain people started hiring Katie Couric girlfriends to handle Sarah, I thought something is SO UP...very, very odd.
Once they realized she was a rogue people adored, McCain seemed to even lose interest in her "Wait, we're not supposed to WIN this thing~!" ??

Anonymous said...

Z, I think that's part of the game — to make people afraid to speak up because they'll face a withering attack just as Sarah Palin and Glenn Beck are on the receiving end of attacks from the "reasonable" folks at MSNBC. Like Olbermann and Sgt. Schultz are paragons of sanity and reason ...

Sometimes it may be better to take the attitude of "damn the torpedoes, full steam ahead", otherwise the battlefield belongs to the loons.

I disagree that capitalism has failed, it was repallced about the time Woodrow Wilson imposed central banking and created the Federal Reserve. That's one reason I like Ron Paul, he wants to expose what has gone on at the FED, and it would be interesting to have the results of a forensic audit made public and show who benefited the most from it as well as who exactly is the Federal Reserve — somehow that idea isn't kooky to me, just something that needs to come to light.

Waylon

Z said...

Waylon, I saw some Conservatives like Rep Peter King on TV (and others) and they're making such excellent points, for example re the Ft Hood shooting...and the laxity of the military to DO SOMETHING, to REALLY looking into islamists in the military.
the left says "Gee, so many muslims serve so well" Fine, we're not worried about THEM!
I think that's similar to your point about people not wanting to speak out for fear of being creamed by the left.
The Left's set it up that no matter what the situation is, the CONSERVATIVES ARE WRONG (A la Alinksy) and DON'T THEY LOOK SILLY SAYING THIS AND THAT?

This is why I blame the media almost wholly for the Obama silliness...someone with no experience, a liar from the get-go of his campaign (Ayers, his 'moderate' promises, etc.)..

The country is in trouble because people have been very subliminally and 'sublimely' indoctrinated to think nothing the Right says could be correct...we're 'racist' , we hate the poor, etc etc etc..

it's working, too. And has been for abuot 50 years but it was too subtle to catch and fix and I think Joe McCarthy's treatment sort of started it..this PC stuff that's now been shown to reveal "Gee, he might have had a point"....

Gotta run, I wish I could extrapolate on all of the above and close my thoughts up...later!

Thanks for coming by, everybody.

I'll be on moderation but will release all the comments later.

Ducky's here said...

My view of the free market is that it is the system that best allows us to allocate our resources/money to the things we value most.

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In other words, tio, it is the system that best let's us indulge our appetites. That's the danger with capitalists. Their description is correct but they can't think sufficiently long term to realize the inefficiencies.
Now, that's fine in the short term but ultimately you need a financial and economic system which does a little more than let you indulge when you have some itch to scratch.

Ducky's here said...

ooops, someone suckered Martha into an interview with a sports radio personality. She called Curt Schilling a Yankee fan.

Ouch.

The Vegas Art Guy said...

unless the margin is more than 3 or 4K forget it.

Anonymous said...

Ducky,
I don't think politicians are immune to the "if it itches, scrath it" mentality you describe. In fact, I think they are more suseptible to it.

A politician may have to look good for four years. He can blame his predecessor for the first couple years, and then he can focus on looking good for a couple of years. If his actions have negative consequences beyond the next several years, they are not really his problem.

When decisions are made by a cadre of politicians, rather than by the citizens themselves, the consequences of the decisions are not born by the makers. I think it also promotes a short-term view of decisions. Furthermore, I think it's dangerous to consolidate too much power in the hands of a small group.

In other words, I think the free market economy is the worst economic system, except for all the other ones.

tio

Anonymous said...

Ducky,

I think having decisions made by a cadre of politicians, rather than by the individuals themselves, only promotes the short-term decisions you warn against. (Do I come across less stuffy by allowing my sentence to end with a preposition?)

1. Politicians can blame their predescessors, worry about looking good for a few years while in office, and then make excuses as to why their policies didn't bring about desired results. Individuals who make their own decisions must live with the consequences much longer than the next election cycle.

2. The consequences of bad decisions made by politicians are born by the citizens. Individuals who make decisions are stuck with the consequences. The incentive is much stronger in the second case.

I agree that the free market system allows individuals to make poor decisions, but delegating those decisions to politicians only results in poorer decisions. Furthermore, I think the consolidation of power is a dangerous thing.

tio

Anonymous said...

Ducky,

I think having decisions made by a cadre of politicians, rather than by the individuals themselves, only promotes the short-term decisions you warn against. (Do I come across less stuffy by allowing my sentence to end with a preposition?)

1. Politicians can blame their predescessors, worry about looking good for a few years while in office, and then make excuses as to why their policies didn't bring about desired results. Individuals who make their own decisions must live with the consequences much longer than the next election cycle.

2. The consequences of bad decisions made by politicians are born by the citizens. Individuals who make decisions are stuck with the consequences. The incentive is much stronger in the second case.

I agree that the free market system allows individuals to make poor decisions, but delegating those decisions to politicians only results in poorer decisions. Furthermore, I think the consolidation of power is a dangerous thing.

tio

Anonymous said...

Ducky,

I think having decisions made by a cadre of politicians, rather than by the individuals themselves, only promotes the short-term decisions you warn against. (Do I come across less stuffy by allowing my sentence to end with a preposition?)

1. Politicians can blame their predescessors, worry about looking good for a few years while in office, and then make excuses as to why their policies didn't bring about desired results. Individuals who make their own decisions must live with the consequences much longer than the next election cycle.

2. The consequences of bad decisions made by politicians are born by the citizens. Individuals who make decisions are stuck with the consequences. The incentive is much stronger in the second case.

I agree that the free market system allows individuals to make poor decisions, but delegating those decisions to politicians only results in poorer decisions. Furthermore, I think the consolidation of power is a dangerous thing.

tio

Anonymous said...

"it is the system that best let's us indulge our appetites. That's the danger with capitalists. Their description is correct but they can't think sufficiently long term to realize the inefficiencies.
Now, that's fine in the short term but ultimately you need a financial and economic system which does a little more than let you indulge when you have some itch to scratch."

Ducky - spoken like someone who has been indulged a good part of his life. Speak for yourself, and don't assume that everyone here is wealthy, as you purport to be.

Neither should you assume that many of us haven't achieved whatever we have the hard way.

Loving the freedom to achieve the American dream, doesn't mean we didn't sacrifice and do without to achieve it. That's what I want for my grandchild. The chance to succeed on his own merits.

In America, everyone has that chance. Knowing that should be enough for anyone. It doesn't matter how high up the ladder one goes. It only matters that we give it our all and go as high as our talents and fortitude permit.

If we live by that knowledge and effort, we keep our dignity and self pride.

If we expect others to take care of us, we may never know how far we may have gone. That, Ducky, is up to us.

This is the system which allows us to be the masters of our own fate. Win or lose, succeed or fail. It's up to us. It's called freedom, and that's the best we can expect. There is no perfection. If that's what you're looking for, you're in for a big disappointment.

Pris

Z said...

tio; TERM LIMITS!

Pris, bravo. WHY don't liberals understand self-reliance? Why don't they get that the human spirit wants to succeed?

As I've said here before, Obama going to schools and telling kids DO WELL AND SUCCEED was so ludicrous; he forgot the tag line of that phrase... AND WE'LL TAKE WHAT YOU MADE THROUGH YOUR HARD WORK AND GIVE IT TO THOSE WHO DON'T WORK..OKAY?:-)

Forcing those who DID work hard to have resentment because they want to give when they feel like giving or CAN give...and forcing those who never made it to feel like a big ZERO

beamish said...

Ducky,

Fine let a real progressive movement form and hope it can be done before the far right completely destroys the country.

What happened to all that talk of "the right being finished?"

You know better now, huh?

Take notes, amateurs. We'll show you how to destroy a Presidency.

Anonymous said...

"WHY don't liberals understand self-reliance? Why don't they get that the human spirit wants to succeed?"

Thanks Z. You know I honestly think the left sees those in the lower economic levels as inferiors who aren't capable, and certainly not peers.

To me they're racist and classist. Everything to them worth anything has to do with money and class. Or what they perceive class to be.

What you said about the human spirit is so important. Liberals like to see themselves as saviors to the underprivileged, and not once do they consider that independence is the way people strive for something better.

They had an opportunity to extend the voucher system in Washington DC, and killed it. Children in that program were permitted to go to good schools, doing well, and because of the teacher's lobby, they ended it.

So, who are the champions of excellence and prosperity, liberals? No! If I wanted to take a harsher position, I'd say they want their power base to remain as it is.

Keep people needy, keep them down so they'll be dependent on government and stay on the liberal plantation which throws them enough crumbs to merely exist.

Pris

Anonymous said...

What's up with this? Another disgruntled leftist, or what?

Jack Cafferty says Nancy Pelosi is a "horrible woman" ...TWICE!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fNfzNqwaXk

Waylon

Z said...

I know, Waylon...that's been going around the email world for days..........the left's FINALLY waking up.
May they wake up in time to rid us of their PC idiocy and the behind the scenes, nasty lying deals the WH is making without telling even the Republican congress let alone US, the people they (used to) WORK FOR!?...and vote the democrat bums OUT.

Elmers Brother said...

duhkkky welcome to Reagan's big tent....LOL!

Misfit410 said...

Ducky, your thin arguments and moronic outlook on things are just falling apart here.

Conservative? Ducky the Progressive movement is the movement of putting all of this power into the governments hands, most of us conservatives want the government as far removed from our lives and our pockets as possible.. Obama is a pure progressive, the only thing thats toned him down is.... he was actually briefed, and shown reality.. so what we have is a progressive who knows the truth and proceeds to push destructive actions regardless.

He is as leftist as it gets and his growth of government is as well

Z said...

if you're going to bash Ducky for voting for Brown, could y'all wait till Wednesday?
thanks :-)

Elmers Brother said...

who's bashing? I just welcomed him the GOP.

Anonymous said...

The election will be FRANKENIZED before morning -- wait and see.


~ Freethinke